Daniel

Nungali, here is your offer. You said: "I will post the evidence". That was just a little over 24 hours ago. You have already forgotten.

Nungali, you said you could prove it. And now you refuse to do it. This is why I don't take your accusations seriously. Yes, You say you have posted it many times. What you say doesn't matter.

Where did they come from? There's many theories and very little concrete answers on this one. But this much we know: Abraham had an "Eternal-Torah" before the written Torah was rec'd at Sinai. The first 7 commandments can be found early in Genesis, before the Abraham story begins. Then, a few are included in the Abraham narrative, for example: bridal consent laws come from the story of Eliazer seeking Rebecca for Isaac. And, we know that there was some form of dietary laws based on the flood story. In the Abraham narrative there is a curious verse which specifies that Abraham followed the laws, judgements, and precepts of YHVH and transmitted those to Isaac. That is Gen 26:5. It's a very important verse. Without a single bit of word study it is a peculiar statement. However, the word choice at the end? That's the most important. It's Torosai. Ending in a yud. That is an "Eternal-Torah". Literally. It is translated as "laws", but that is not what it means to conjugate the noun including a final yud. Here's an inter-linear of the verse Gen 26:5: LINK Then later after the Torah was rec'd at Sinai just as the Israelites were entering Canaan, there's another curious verse which points back to Gen 26:5. Deuteronomy 6:1. It's not an exact match, but, it suggests that the Eternal torah referenced in Gen 26:5 is the same Torah that was rec'd at Sinai and delivered to the Israelites via Moses and the designated officers and judges who were disseminating the teachings ( Exo 18:25 - LINK ) while they were in the wilderness. Here's an inter-linear of that verse Deuteronomy 6:1: LINK If you look at both verses, the word they both have in common is mitzvosai. Again terminating in a yud. These two prophets of God are stating that they are giving the mitzvosai, Eternal-Commandments. Logically, there cannot be two sets of Eternal commandments. If there were one of them is not Eternal. That's the connection. That's the theory. Then we once these two verses are linked in that manner, we can point to the Torosai, the Eternal-Torah which Abraham transmitted to Isaac as the one and only set of Eternal-law. And that Eternal-law predates the written Torah. It included a whole lot of stuff, precepts ,judgements, statutes, principles, as well as the Eternal-commandments, the "mitzvosai". Here's the problem. We don't know exactly what those commandments are. We know the written ones, but we do not know the others in a way which is concrete, we have to derive them. And that's where the list comes from. It's a hodge-podge collection. 1) Some of them are oral tradition only: So and so said that so and so said that... it would be good to do this and bad to do that. 2) Some of them are oral tradition, but, that oral tradition is theoretically coming from Sinai but wasn't written down at the time: So and so said that so and so said that Moses received a law from Sinai ... this is good and that is bad. 3) Some of it is derived based on the story: We know that a man and woman should not be alone together if they are single adults because of the story of Tamar. 4) Some of them are "fences" to ensure that people don't accidentally break the law: the prohibition on mixing poultry and dairy, for example. Here's a list for you to review. Many of these are only applicable for certain people at certain times. I think I'm obligated to a little over 100, I can't remember. I'm not a Cohein or a Levi, so there are quite a few of these which are never applicable to me. I don't live in Israel, so there's quite a few that don't apply to me. I am always in the state of impurity because we don't have the mayim-niddah anymore, so the laws of purity are basically impossible for me to follow. But since we don't have an operating temple, it doesn't matter. Non Jews are not obligated for any except the first 7. Those the commandments taught, I think, going from memory, I'm straining, Acts 15? Anyways. The point is, no one is obligated to all 613. But originally, when the word "chosen" was used, to be a light to the nations, etc, etc... according to the story the Jewish people in unison as a nation were expected to do them all. All together, all the time. https://www.jewfaq.org/613_commandments This is another good resource, just in case you're curious. https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4297832/jewish/Kitzur-Shulchan-Aruch.htm

I think they're numbers 8-17. But basically the 10 are included in the 613.

Bumblebee who?

Nungali, your objection to the notion of the Jew being chosen assumes that no one else can be chosen for their own unique relationship with the God of Abraham. Jewish plurality asserts that others have their own relationship. I brought Hebrew scripture to confirm that I am not making this up. I also brought wikipedia to further support this. And you're still ignoring the elephant in the room: Jews are chosen for what? 613 commandments. Do you want that? Does anyone but a Jew want that? However it is not only 613, we also are promised a great reward when all of us, all together, do what we are duty-bound to complete. That's the full-story. In summary: Your position is illogical Your position is incomplete Your position is short sighted Your position is in conflict with Jewish scripture You have nothing but anger and jealousy and spam posts to make your case

Speaking for myself: I really like your style. Never seen anything like it. Seriously. No one in my community speaks like you. And I don't know if I've ever seen anyone on the internet speak like you do. You're a positive role model. I appreciate you.

Related topic, @NaturaNaturans

DIVE-TACKLE!!! ...oof I missed.

Nungali? What possible harm am I causing? Think about it. I'll leave now and see if you can reply to this simple question. It's insane dude. You feel threatened by me cause I know things you don't. That's all it is. It makes you uncomfortable that I know more than you do in the areas of my expertise. It just so happens that you've convinced yourself that you're an expert on matters that are in my wheelhouse. But you're not. So now you're on a mission to discredit me. It won't work. I've already proven myself.

Oh I do not. That is all in your mind. What I do is simple. I check the "activity" on the forum. If I see a comment that sparks my curiosity I check out the thread. I'm "watching" the Abrahamic sub-forum cause I want to be on top of that one. That's my process. In general though, I'm looking for posts that are asking for help. I help when I can if I can.

It's not effort. It's fun. And, if I may be so bold, hatred is not what you think it is. It's just a very very strong aversion. Very very. But that can flip in a heart beat. There's a very close relationship between love and hate. It's similar, in some ways to the relationship between terror and excitement.

Nice to meet you, Master Matt's Cats

You're making false assumptions.

Go ahead. Let's see how convoluted it is. If it isn't I'll apologize and make a commitment and take action to prevent it. In the past it was utter nonsense. But I sincerely do not want to be dishonest, deceptive, anything like that. To the contrary I enjoy being in your face, loud, proud, and honest. I am not subtle. I would do well to learn to be subtle. But the benefit is: I am not a sneaky little rat. You know how I feel. You know my thoughts. I do not hide them even though, I probably should. But liars, they're subtle. I am not that.

Aww. So precious. Corgi? Welsh? Here's Tilly-Jane. She's scruffy. Havanese.

That's perfect. I'll let you broach that with Nungali. I think he's still in denial of our heated love-connection. I've found that when they start playing hard to get like this, it's good to walk away confidently. That way they start to have a bit of FoMo. And then they want it even more. ( Fear of missing out, in case you haven't seen that abbreviation before)

Your memory is faulty. And I'm not going in circles with you on this. Say what you want. No one takes those accusations seriously. I usually choose to be careful with my language, but for you, I'm being more careful. Because you love to be a dick.

That's a deal breaker. Sorry. The best I can offer is that we refer to you in the name of the deity of your choice. I only ask that it is somewhat easy to pronounce. "God" would be a pretty funny name for a dog through. Hahaha. I'm picturing it now. We're at the dog park, and I'm calling for you. Then you're a little slow or stubborn. Then I start cursing you. Anyways ..

Of course. I'm just being careful with my words because Nungali likes to call me a liar, among other things. However, I think it would foolish to immediately disregard his hateful comments as jokes from a joker. What I see is a man who enjoys hating me. And I think he means every insult while he is posting them. Then maybe later he can delude himself and convince himself it's just a joke. That's what bullies do. They not only lie to others, "it's a joke", they lie to themselves. It's because, they're not bad people. So, they need to delude themselves. None the less it'll be good to for Nungali to read your post. I doubt anyone takes his posts seriously, even the serious ones. The problem Luke, is that Nungali bullies anyone and everyone in this sub-forum who does not live up to his standards. Yes, he does consider himself God of this area of the website. He referred to it several times as HIS esoteric section to justify the abuse he inflicted on the troubled individual known as "Helpful Demon".

At work. Will watch soon.

In particular? Why do I think I could give you anything you wanted? I offered to get you any kind of food you wanted. Price is not a concern. Although I am morally opposed to foi-de-gras. So that is something you would need to acquire on your own. However, in general, the question you're asking is: "Why do I think I can make you happy?" The reason is simple: I'm talented at this. I have proven track record of success. All the members of my household are happy and successful. That's because I'm good at this. I care about them. Their problems, become my problems. Their aspirations, become my aspirations. I will work my tail off to help them accomplish their dreams. But I don't do anything for them, in that regard. I help them. They don;t want me to do it FOR them, just like you. But they appreciate my help, because, I am an excellent helper. It's because I care. And I am not afraid of investing myself in their success and happiness. Why? Because it makes the world a better place. Healthy happy people rarely do any lasting harm. That makes me happy too. It's a sympathetic feedback look of goodwill. If I adopt you, Nungali, it's your choice. You can choose to leave. What I offer to you is wind beneath your wings. I will bring all of my available resources to bear in harmony with your desires. But, there is one catch. I myself am not perfect. I make mistakes, and I have limitations. That said, I am remarkably flexible on almost any issue, except for one. In order for me to fully invest myself in your success, or in anyone's success, whether they are a member of my household or not there is only one rule: I am not God and neither are you. It's simple, and practical. I can do a lot. My spirit is strong and I know how to use it to move mountains. But, that spirit flips and becomes antagonistic the minute someone starts acting like God Almighty. I can't help it. It has to do with the way I was raised. I wish it weren't true. But, it is. No one in my household treats me like God, and no one in my household expects to be treated like God themself. Quite honestly, if there is one problem, only one problem to solve in each and every conflict throughout history, big or small. Global conflicts, territory disputes. Love and War, Nungali. Love and War. What is the root cause? Someone's acting like God, and they shouldn't. Am I wrong? And if it feels wrong to you? Why am I so successful and happy and all the members of my house are happy?

Nungers. Please. In my house? You would be much more than our pet. I promise.

This got some LOLs. Nungali? I offered to put you in a cage and sleep next to us so you wouldn't be lonely and afraid at night.