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Got it. That's a valuable insight. Thank you.

I hate to say this, but, friend ~sigh~ There is a point, when people are in extreme pain, and it continues. If they remain conscious, they will sometimes start laughing. It's eerie. I think it's because their brain skips a beat, or two, from the trauma.

Hey. Let's look at the facts: 7 days of creation man from dirt a tree of eternal life woman from his side ( rib? ) talking snake tower to heaven world-wide flood jacob's striped stick breeding program ... lots of other weird stuff in egypt ... the mt. sinai event the bronze serpent rod curing snake venom a talking donkey??? time travel? why not?

I prefer cursed to crushed. But did you read the verse? It's still rising? Go to the end of Genesis 3?

We got it from there.

Cobie, please. it's a rising penis... please... details, details. The flaccid penis comes later. That's Abe's DIY circumcision scene. And, let's give some respect. The man playing the part of Abe has agreed to do it himself. No stunt body double for that one He's a real trooper. Method actors. Special breed. ( There's a little star up there...)

Thank you. ~extracting significant content for the other readers~ ”[The Jewish star] is Sat-kona, the symbol of Goloka, the abode of Krsna.” It has transcendental significance. ( nice find, Cobie ) "been at the heart of spirituality in India" <---Connects to the entire body? The Heart connects to the whole body thru the circulatory system. "one pointing upward signifying Purusa and the other pointing downward signifying Prakrti." <--- Spirit and Not-Spirit? " karnikaram mahad-yantram sat-konam vajra-kilakam sadanga-satpadi-sthanam prakrtya purusena ca premananda-mahananda-rasenavasthitam hi vat “The center of the divine lotus is the core — Krsna's residence. It is presided over by the Predominated and Predominating Moiety. It is mapped as a hexagonal mystic symbol [sat-konam]. Like a diamond, the effulgent Supreme Entity of Krsna, the Fountainhead of all divine potencies, presides as the central pivot. The great mantra of eighteen syllables [Gopala-mantra], which is formed of six integral parts, is manifest as a hexagonal place with six-fold divisions.” [Sri Brahma-samhita, Ch-5, Tx-3] tat-kinjalkam tad-amsanam tat-patrani sriyam api “The core of that eternal holy abode which is called Gokula is the hexagonal land of Krsna's abode. The stamens or petals are the residences of the cowherds or Gopas, who are Krsna's own, His dear most friends and high loving devotees that are a part of His own self. Those abodes appear like many walls, all beautifully effulgent. The extensive foliage of that lotus constitutes the sub-forests that are the abodes of the loving damsels of Krsna, headed by Sri Radhika.” [Sri Brahma-samhita, Ch-5, Tx-4]" Cobie, I see very few words in sanskrit, and a great many words in translated into English. That is a red-flag for me. I'll need to run this past my hindu friends who are not members here. It might be a perfectly valid translation. But I have seen too many, bring unethical translations to validate their own religious beliefs from almost all the various faiths including my own. I'll contact my friends and hopefully hear back soon. Wow, though. This is a wonderful collection of the hexagram in various cultural settings. The pictures are priceless alone. But there's so much detail here and a profound secret on display, hiding in plain sight: ^^ That ^^ is simultaneously a 6 and a 7 pointed star. People neglect the center point. If one considers the circle surrounding, the 6 points simultaneously with the central dot and then, simply considers it as it is, from a top down perspective, it's a cone, oriented pointing up. ( or more accurately, pointing out ). Transcendence. The traditional Jewish Stars have the central point. I see that is reflected cross culture. Including the dot is more effort for the craft's person, the jewelry maker, the artisan, the mason, etc... It was included intentionally. This is the mystery of 42, the 6 and the 7, simultaneously. I could write a multi-paragraph essay on it. Many thanks for the contribution,

Are these two words of the same form but with extremely different valence? ?? Seductive <<<>>> Cunning ?? The reason I ask, is, there is an important classic question regarding this story: What is the serpent's motive in this scene? The answer usually involves 2 co-equal non-dual, for lack of a better word motives: Rising against Ha-Adam ( Humanity ) Rising against God in the form of YHVH-Elohim These 2 motives are expressed in action in the story in 3 ways: The serpent was tempted by to rise up against Adam The serpent wanted to possess Eve as a wife The serpent wanted to rise up and replace God The question is: Was the serpent seduced by what it saw. Adam and Eve were together for the first time, they were not afraid. Immediately after the Serpent says... Eve doesn't go anywhere. The Serpent was there? Watching? Then the serpent attempts to seduce Eve with the promise of becoming a God? Also, it seduces her with it's own knowledge? Presumably it has already eaten from the Tree Of Knowledge of Good and Evil. It probably already ate from the Tree of Life as well.

Spiritually naked is closest to the source ( God ). The husband cleaved ( literally attached ) to his wife. They were "Aruhm / Arohm" ( Spiritually Naked ) and unashamed The serpent is the most "Ahrum" of all the beast of the field and says to Eve... אַ֚ף כִּֽי־אָמַ֣ר אֱלֹהִ֔ים לֹ֣א תֹֽאכְל֔וּ מִכֹּ֖ל עֵ֥ץ הַגָּֽן: "Ahhhhffffff ?" "Actually? Is it true that God said: "WE shall not to eat of any trees of the garden?" אף - "Ahf" = However / But / Actually Do you see what I'm seeing? אף <---- that looks like a serpent rising getting ready to strike Check this out: תפף - to join, or to strike נגף - to push, injure, or to strike צלף - to swing (like a whip), or to strike שקף - to knock, to beat, or to strike שסף - to swing a sword, to strike What do you think of that, Brother Sal?

Really? That's interesting. The scripture disagrees with you, friend, regarding attachment. That's where the east and the west are dividing, if I dare to make a broad generalization.

Try this?

So. To be clear, before the sin of the ToK ( Tree of Knowledge of good and evil ), Adam and Eve were total trash? Before the sin? Total trash? The highest beings have the most garments? The most layers separating themselves from all others? Like a callous? Or many shells? I've noticed that, they're like innocent babies? Yes, now I'm back with you. Thank you, Love-it!! Brilliant. Yes. Agreed. 100% . An agent. ~nods~ They're beautiful highly evolved creatures. Versatile and they serve an important purpose. They're flexible. Versatile. Survivors.

Awesome. Thank you, The little dot in Arohm is above the vav. "vav-oh" = ascending. So the Adam-Eve encounter is some form of an ascension? The little dot in Aruhm is in the center of the vav. "vav-oo" - descending. But, point of clairification: descending in Jewish mysticism is not down, it's inner. The 6 cardinal directions, are left, right, forward, backward, inner, outer. 6 is a vav ( the sixth letter ), the vav is a hook... etc. The 6th is tiferet, connecting in all directions. That's the Jewish star. The Magen David. David's shield. Six points connecting in all directions. These are all teachings in Jewish mysticism. Great find. The JW's independent translation?

Good to know

@Salvijus writes: "for those who are interested exploring Judaism in its most profound form. 'Zohar' is the book. " Couldn't agree more. What are your favorites? I'm partial to parsha Bo and Bilaam. Friends, fellow ( and feline ) Daobums. You're all invited to discuss the Zohar with Salvjus and I. Attached is a document with a great place to start, in my opinion. It's a famous story from the very beginning of the book ( 1:2b ). It is available for free reading on sefaria. It is a community edition with a few very minor translation errors that I found which needed correcting. ( I think there were 3 changes made, because the commentary obscured the literal meaning. ) Here's a link to the sefaria free edition for those who are interested. It's a somewhat long story. Not all of it is needed. The important part is at the end. https://www.sefaria.org/Zohar%2C_Introduction.6.22?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en Letters Of Creation.pdf

Couldn't be further from the truth.

I know who to ask. @Salvijus, What do you think of this "Ahrum"? .... now they were both "Ahrumim" ( Ahrum plural ), the man and his wife, but they were not ashamed. Now the serpent was "Ahrum", more than all the beasts of the field that the Lord God had made, and it said to the woman, "Did God indeed say, 'You shall not eat of any of the trees of the garden?'" What's Ahrum? It's translated as "cunning" for the serpent and "naked" for Adam and Eve. Originally the words were read from a scroll, no chapter breaks, not verse numbers. It's not Chochmah ( Wisdom ), T'vuhan/Binah ( Understanding ), Not Daat (Knowledge) . That comes later, Genesis 4:1. ערום This is where I'm at:

It works. Has nothing to do with Judaism. It's just natural.

@NaturaNaturans, FYI: I saw your edits.

Knock-knock Boo. Please enjoy some mood music. Now this... is an important question: ( @NaturaNaturans? Have you heard of these people? They're a gnostic rock-band? The lyrics, man, the lyrics? The vocals? The keys??!! ) [spoiler="Knower - Do Hot Girls Like Chords?"] [/spoiler]

This is Micha 4:5 not 4:2. Parallel Translations from BibleHub: In a spoiler to save screen-space. Please ingore the outlier the NLT "idols" doesn't if tin context and that's clearly an outlier. ( The word for idols would have probably been "illim", not "elohav" if it meant idols. )

Please? Share?

@NaturaNaturans, The key point in the post above is that Nungali claimed it would be easy. But it isn't. It's not easy, and Nungali doesn't know how to look it up.

Yes, This example was discussed at dinner last night with my own family. We decided it was still surprise. The question is, what is surprising about it? We were thinking it's the transition from happy loving face to grimace. The transition creates a sharp contrast. The example we were using was the pouting-lower-lip. The "boo-boo" lip that my son ( who is now 15 ) used to do. We would chuckle at it. It was so cute. It never got old. And we were thinking that there's something there, where, it's like the mind ( or heart ) skips a beat or two. It's this empty space in thought or emotion, and then the rapid return to conscious thought and feeling that produces the surprise phenomenon. This empty space, of thought and/or emotion: if that's the surprise, then, that's an non-thing. It's breaking the rhythm of thought and feeling. Like syncopation. It's fun. Groovy. Well that's what we were thinking. Next time you play the game, maybe, pay attention to what's happening in your mind when you're compelled to laugh? Isn't like finding your keys, or any lost object? And you suddenly realize where it was? Like an epiphany proceeded by a lack of thought and feelings?

Surprise: it's a non-existing "thing". A non-thing thing. It's a gateless-gate. A path to enlightenment. One of several ( many ? ) in the form of comedy. Sympathetic paradoxes are very powerful.