Daniel

It's much smarter to spread out and diversify, but, it takes bravery and cross-training to survive in isolation.

When the weak gather together, they are rounding themselves up.

This what I said: I think it's important to check multiple sources and not to ignore any perspectives. Although, if one of those sources is known to be a liar, then that should be considered as well. For those with reading comprehension difficulties: When a source is known to be a liar, then it is good to consider their perspective in reverse. This can be found in the art-of-war. I understand that reading comprehension can be difficult for children, and these are complicated nuanced subjects. And if a person is stuck as a child, it might even be painful to try to use their brain as an adult.

the dao says many things, the wise know when and how to apply them. that is the definition of wisdom.

it's natural to rally together with others who have the same weakness. that way one is not reminded of them so sharply.

I think it's important to check multiple sources and not to ignore any perspectives. Although, if one of those sources is known to be a liar, then that should be considered as well.

maturity and grace are the signs of real strength

the facts are there for all to see. it's as easy as looking in a dictionary, if one is not afraid to look in that specific dictionary. the facts shouldn't be scary. but, for some, I guess they are.

Agreed. I resolve not to answer to any criticism here. Not just in this thread. But the entire forum, in perpetuity. I just did that about 2 minutes prior to seeing your post. I will now go and delete it. Although, I reserve the right to comment on something I consider to be false, inaccurate, or worse. But I will not quote the person. I will simply state my position.

I think that it's easy to delude oneself for various reasons. The solution is to look at the facts. If the facts are readily apparent, and one or more parties are intentionally ignoring them, then they are deluding themself. There's also 3rd option. The individual avoids looking at the facts even though they are right in from them. This is not delusional but cowardly. Deep down, they are afraid of how it will feel if they are wrong, and what it means to their identity and their convictions. I have pity for all of them, but espectially the 3rd group.

No, I think each of you have your own reasons for doing what you do.

If you would read what I write there would be very little arguing. We clearly have differences on what is moral and proper behavior, but, the arguing can easily be remedied if you stop denying it, and just accept our differences as differences. There's some minor issues with the incorrect labeling of Qabbalah as Kabbalah, but, everyone does it. It's just a common mistake that people make when they don't know better. It wouldn't be a big deal until you say things like "don't you know what gnosis means?" When I was clearly saying I skip over that in favor of understanding ( which is a classic concept in Kabbalah ).

Great! If you go back and read what I wrote we agree. I'm not sure why you are arguing about this, other than you didn't actually read what I wrote. And that is characteristic of your criticisms in general. We actually agreed about the card too, if you read it. It's just some kind of spooky-scary thing to you and it doesn't bother me one bit. Same with the transformer. We agreed. But you wanted to swoop in as the hero and make me into a villain. Typical. If you don't read it, and you want to position your self as superior ( or you have nothing better to do ), then you just post somethiing negative. Bye,

Now. Where did this begin? Here is my reply to the OP, we were discussing a specific set of scriptures: a picture is best to illustrate it: Notice: Bob is interjecting into a conversation about a story where entry is prohibited as a result of angels with a spinning sword saying, or it's like a transformer. This comment is doomed for failure. It's completely out of context. Why is it doomed for failure? Because, I was talking about direct contact, which would produce annihilation. Bob says, "no... no, it's like a transformer." And I said, no, it can't be because there is no current... And it devolved from there, because Bob insisted there was current flowing through induction, which is false. I showed pitctures where it was false. I brought links showing it was false. But the whole time, Bob really-really wanted there to be current flowing through induction. Even though that doesn't fit in the conversation I was having, and, it's false from an electrical perspective. Should I have ignored bob? Maybe. I doubt he'll be replying to me anymore. So. Problem solved.

I am rather sure, that he said they were all connected and that current was flowing in-between. Direct contact was the point he wanted to make from the beginning. That was the whole point of interjecting in the first place. And that was the point he was arguing. And it was the reason for objecting to pictures showing the flow of the current. But it's easy to confirm. I'll go check.

Wrong again. Dude. It's right here.

Here is what I said. Your attention to detail is lacking. Since you don't know what I said, your objections are dismissed. Bye,

I have all the facts right now, and I'm standing up against 3 who disagree for some reason. The truth as popularity contest is flat-earth thinking. Nice job!

I said that the OP chose to include the card in this thread. Then you said the top was OK, not the rest NOT. The OP saw the card and confirmed the liked the whole thing. Instead of listening to what they liked, you kept posting more lady-saints. Here's a picture, again, showing that they saw the whole card. I really don't mind correcting you. If you keep misrepresenting the truth, I will keep correcting you.

I support you in your choices. They are yours to make. Still seems wrong. And it's easy to prove. But , like I said. I'm used to being on my own, because I have strong principles on right and wrong. Sincerely, It's natural to support the one who is supporting you. I can understand that. It appears the discussion about suggesting tattoos is over. Nungali said I was wrong. I have right to respond. Most people want me to defer, just because they don't like conflict. But in the end, they claim they don't care that much. Fine, don't care then. But other people have just as much responsibility to defer and not nitpick as I do. And here is Nungali's reply to me beginning the direct criticism of what I said. But, people don't seem to care about that. It's fine. All I need is the thread itself to confirm I wasn't wrong if others are not going to judge fairly.

No prob. It seemed like you and Cobie were taking sides. Yes, I just scrolled back: "It is not only how you remember it, it is what happened;)" <----- that in reply to Cobie, is taking sides. I don't care about being on my own. I have strong principles about what is right and wrong. That pretty much gaurantees, I'll be on my own.

This ^^ is what I am seeing. It was posted in another thread, and you chose to include it here. What I am I missing? Are you saying you did not see the image in another thread? And then chose to bring it here? Did nungali choose this card FOR you in another thread? I doubt that very highly based on the replies between you regarding it. Was this card somehow HIS choice, for this thread for the tattoo idea, or was it yours? Honest question. I went back and scrolled through this thread. It's only two pages long. Nungali's first reply to the thread was a lady-saint. Your reaction was ~confused~. Then you replied with the partial picture of the card in question, you said "You posted this in another thread though, and its pretty sick". Nungali replied, {paraphrasing} "Oh, I would NOT pick that one.... Yes the top is fine, but did you see the whole thing?" You replied {paraphrasing} "Yeah, and it reminds me of spirit+beezelbub+serpent, but I guess I was wrong". Then I interjected and said that ths info was useful for helping to choose a new tattoo, and that one should be skeptical of anyone who says a specific glyph is WRONG for that person. That's a red-flag. As confirmation I listened to you and brought you something you said you really liked. Maybe the suggestions weren't for you. But you liked what I wrote about it. As further confirmation of this "red-flag", when you said you liked the one card, in spite of not liking the original lady-saint, you received multiple different versions of lady saints. Nothing even close to what you said you had liked. ~shakes-my-head~. So what's happening here? One person was listening to you, the other person was projecting what they wanted ONTO you. And I think that's a red flag. And It could be that nungali is actually afraid of this card for some reason. I don't know, but if so, I think that's foolish. Like I said before. You are the master of your domain, the card has no power over you. It's just a card.

they chose it for this thread and said it looked "sick". That was their choice not yours. go ahead and post the link to this other thread, and we'll sort it out otherwise see below. Those are NOT your words. The OP chose that card that image for this thread. You did NOT chose that card for this thread, unless you post a link that proves it, I think you're just trying to be the master-guru trying to control. The point is, you called him a Nazi, tried to get me to join in your hate fest, then two days later claimed to be doing a exorcism on him, without asking him first. Pretending for a moment you actually can exorcise demons and pretending for a moment he actually has them, he didn't want you to remove them. But you decided to do something TO him. Without his permission. I knew he wouldn't want that, because I listened to him. You did NOT listen to him. Then when I asked you about it, you did a whole song and dance about it, lied, reversed position, did back flips. Pretended it was all just a gag to see if people would believe you. The whole thing was pretty sick considering all you needed to do was apologize and resolve not to do stuff TO people without their permission again. But no. You decided to argue with me about it in circles. After you recycled twice, I put you on ignore. The problem is, you flipped. You hated on the guy, ,didn't listen to him, trying to recuit people against him. Wanted him to quit posting in YOUR forum. But if you would have listenned to him, and listened to me, and not been so concerned with being the top dog, there wouldn't have been a problem. And here you are again, trying to be top-dog. It's not your card, your not the keeper of THE interpretation of it. It had significance for the OP. AND. If you opened your mind and read what I wrote. Your reaction is precisely what the card is against. Your interpretation of it, as bad and wrong? The card itself disagrees with you. That's the point. Hating on him, trying to recruit oothers to hate on him, then claiming to do stuff TO him spiritually without his consent is down-right evil. All for what? that's effed, nungali. the esoteric forum? wow, your priorities are iin my opinion the lowest of the low. someone needs help and you care about the "esoteric forum". No... you're doing it again. You're in denial mode. They saw the whole card and said: Wrong, see above. I listened to the what the OP saw in the card which they said was "pretty sick" which is a compliment. So putting a positive spin on it is listening to the person who chose it. You're doing it again. You're only seeing things in one way and claiming to the authority, when ... you're not. You do not get to choose what is and is not Kabbalah. You don't seem to know Kabbalah. You work with Qabbalah. That is the Crowley version. The Hermetic version. But people like to claim that word wiith the "K" because it has credibility attached to it. How do I know? Becaue of the pictures you've posted. They're wrong and scrambled. Gnosis = knowledge. And now you have confirmed you don't know Kabbalah because you cannot disstiguish between knowledge and understanding. And from our previous discussions you are locked into gnosis and haven't a clue about understanding at all. Sure you did. You said: "Maybe the first .... its the top of a tarot card .... but I would NOT be having that particular card tattooed on me !" Immediately after they said they liked it. And then you posted all of these lady-saints. Claiming they're Binah the gate of Birth and Death? Binah? Birth and Death? OoooooKay. ~eye-rolls~ Well, there it is... I mention understanding, and you're pointing to gnosis, instead of Binah, because somehow you think its a gate of birth and death, instead of... understanding. Here's some reading for those that are interested: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binah_(Kabbalah) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_High_Priestess

You would need to go one step further back, which is the concept of "direct" contact. The point of bringing the disposal was not that it is iterally like that, but only to connect the this idea of "no direct contact" to a verse in scripture. And this verse was brought as part of a conversation that was bringing scripture from various sources. ... Interjecting into the conversation to argue that direct contact was possible similar to a transformer. I said that doesn't work, there is no contact and in fact there are two completely distinct and seperate circuits. And it's true. Bob was literally arguing about connecting two parallel lines. No, I'm not going to defer to that. What should have happened is Bob should have acknowledged that the transformer wasn't a good analogy for direct contact, or adjusted his own postion to match the transformer as an indirect connection. Or, there's a third option. Bob could have answered the question I asked: "why iis this idea of directly connecting to God is so important?" and then we could have a discussion of that outside of the analogy, or if it's important for him that I agree, we could work together on developing an analogy that fits. This question indicates you did not go back and read the the converstation I was having with the OP from the beginning. We were having a spinoff discussion, per their choice. It's their thread. And this is yet another good reason not to judge other's conversations without listening to what they've said from start to finish.

... and be careful not to feed it ...