Daniel

Hello!

Hello Natural, It's nice to meet you. I'm new here too.

there is no chance, not if creation is ever-expanding. An evil person ( someone whose desire to destroy and/or steal brings them pleasure ) will always be in a pit of their own making. The best a person can do ( if they choose to destroy or steal ) is to operate in the Grey, and then it's theoretically possible to take benefit and pleasure away from another individual without creating a pit for themselves. But it seems to me this is a very narrow bridge/tight-rope to walk on. I have never seen a contrary example. Perhaps there are examples out there, but I simply cannot see them nor am I influenced by them. Because of this they are easy to ignore and hard to call "Masters". Immortals are another topic all together. imho.

My Friends new and old, Desire is not a problem if it is unwound. It's actually rather useful when understood. Please see below: No avarice. None at all. I have nothing against Desire, I hope I did not offend anyone if this was not clear earlier.

'So what?' is the Dao. An infinite cloud of choice. Don't answer... question.

in the grand scheme of things, nearly impossible becomes very impossible...

There are only 3 creations which have no holy properties at all: 1) Double-speak 2) Primordial Wrath 3) Anger Desire is not on that list. Desire is required for procreation.

I beg to differ. Eve did not sin. It's in the Hebrew hiding in plain sight. Desire is not a sin. Deception, double-speak, jibber-jabber, was the sin. The serpent taught it to Eve, Eve taught it to her husband and the children. That is original sin. Double-speak.

Seeking Freedom? Nope. Internal shake-up? Darn-skippy. Sent with love, Daniel .

Thank G-d! Whew... that makes things easier. *blushing* Yes. Agreed. Thank you for explaining it this way. I beg to differ. I'm sure it's your significant Wisdom talking. Aaaahhhhhhhhh, and there it is. I am a Jew. A finite created being essentially stapled to the material world until G-d Almighty chooses to render my material body no longer viable. There is no non-dual practice for me. Not as long as I am a practicing Judaism. And that, my dear friend, is why we were talking past each other. No matter. Lesson learned. I can allow myself the freedom to imagine a non-dual reality. And I can conversate in those terms. And still be Jewish. I need to be careful with my language, raise it up to the Daoist standard ( in a manner of speaking ) , then we won't speak past each other in the future. Thank you again, @Manitou. Thank you very very much.

+1, me too.

Aaaahhhh..... I'm sorry, I'm duty bound to secrecy. Basically once I had acheived a certain level of wisdom knowledge and understanding, I took a vow of silence. Anything Hebrew, Anything Torah, Anything Math related... all of it, I can't speak about it. because *I am not a Rabbi* ( there are loopholes of course... always ) And honestly, knowing and understanding in the manner and scope that I do... I don't even want to talk about it, far and beyond the vow I've taken. Yes, it is servitude, yes, it is submission, yes, it is the opposite of freedom. I am bound, just the same as all the others. Except that my slavery is by choice. eta: it does make conversations awkward at times though, I apologize for that.

I agree with everyone here who is rendering the terms good and evil as dysfunctional. I prefer the terms Zealot vs. Pious. See below: Zealot is a better description for the english word that is commonly used : Evil. Pious is a better description for the english word that is commonly used : Good. Thoughts? If that works for the OP, it might help a lot in understanding what's going on from a Daoist perspective.

@Scholar... THIS ^^^^ That's the best answer, imho.

@Scholar, I have not read the other replies, however, I am guessing by scrolling past the others who have contributed that you have been given excellent information and guidance. Here's mine: You asked: "Are there evil master? People that actually posses giant amounts of spiritual powers and uses it for the evil ? Is there such a thing ? Or evil people lack the work ethic to get to this level? Each one is a good question all on its own. However, grouped together, there is one simple answer that I can offer, maybe? The answer is no. There are no evil masters, if I understand precisely what you are talking about. None. But it's not due to lack of work ethic, it's a property inherent in The Dao. Those who do evil are always building themselves a cage at the same time that they are performing evil deeds. They don't know this, they cannot see the futility, the chain that keeps getting tighter and tighter constricting like one of those "chinese finger traps". It is the ultimate and most eternally ignorant thing to do.... Evil. It's a trap. It works just like the finger trap above. That's why I vote: There are no evil masters. They cannot be "masters" by definition. They're evil deeds surround them and constrict them and the more they wriggle for freedom the tighter the binding becomes. @Scholar, does that help answer your question? Edit to add: hopefully this info was not redundant to info provided from the others who replied. I will go read them now.

nibble on mushrooms? who needs any of that stuff? aren't we on The Dao?

Thank you for that, @helpfuldemon. It's a pleasure to meet you. Your reply is Beautiful and Perfect.

The simple truth is this. From what I can tell there is a very old something that exploits people, and this very old something found its way here to this forum. I am on a similar website where a similar much much smaller scale event occurred. No one has been harmed, unlike here. While I have been here, on TDB, I have been collecting samples / examples from the posts on this forum and comparing them to posts on the other forum where I'm usually active. They do appear to be a match. If I'm right and they are a match, I have this other lesser being trapped and bound in the other forum, going nowhere. I'm concerned that this binding will be weakened by disclosing any information about it. Like I said, this is a very old being. PreAdam. I'm not taking any chances letting it out of its box. That means I have to be very careful with what I say about it, how I speak about it, and even when I speak about it. But.... it is a lesser being. So, ya know... just say'n.

I'm having a very hard time answering your question without speaking in hebrew. I'm sorry. Yes I agree, but I'm missing the connection the relevance to this subject matter.

Yes. Thank you for pointing that out. We have a name for it, but, ... this is going to sound weird ... I can't say it's name. I'm ( forgive me ) duty bound to secrecy on this. Yes. What I'm talking about is 'Craving+Ignorance' at a very high level. And *Not* in the good way. There's a name for it in Hebrew, but I can't say it or type it out. OH! How about this? It's Craving+Ignorance of the worst sort, without a single drop of averice at all. None. The other two are full. And the third is a bottomless pit. That's "It".

but now, I kinda need this:

Ok. Thank you for pointing this out. gnowledge... ok. It will take a little time and practice, but I think this sounds really nice. Thank you for saying it. ty. It took a while to find y'all. I'm glad I did.

Then there's this...

How about a little SantaCruz Ska flavor?

unless... gain' *is* loss fresh water drips without cost when sipping from moss