Iliketurtles

Ultimately I can't say if John's videos are deep-fakes, or if what I see on the news is a deep-fake. All I can say is what seems reasonable. It seems reasonable to me to assume my Aunt's hand written will witnessed by three people actually is legitimate, but since I wasn't there I suppose they could have conspired to fake it and lie about faking it. I dunno I wasn't there. I think John's letters to Jim were probably accurate in much the same light because that seems reasonable to me. I don't see any reason for John's son to knowingly and willingly mistranslate, I don't see any reason for John to lie, and I don't see any reason for Jim to fake the letters from John. Can we please drop this, or can we please take this discussion to a forum where the administration allows for things like this like the buns, because this one here certainly does not. PLEASE.

I think the most likely scenario is the letter to Jim is authentic, and translated accurately. Having said that I wasn't there to watch John dictate it to his son, so I can't say for certain. I also cannot say if John was being truthful. You are free to disagree. This administration in the community here does not allow for extended conversations like this, you know this full well. Let's move on, or continue this on the buns forum where this sort of thing is endorsed and permitted. PLEASE.

I trust John's letters and videos over wordpress blogs and people who claim things online. That is my perspective. Please lets move on, or continue this in a safe place that allows for it like the buns forum. PLEASE.

Let's move on bro or continue this on the buns forum.

So my perspective is I trust the videos and letters John left behind over the expertise of a rando on the internet, or wordpress blogs. Then it's agreed, let's move on.

As far as I know you aren't privy to the non public videos I am talking about, but hey maybe you are. Let's move on, or continue this on the buns forum please.

My family also believes there is evidence to suggest otherwise in regards to my aunts last will hand written and witnessed by three people at the hospital. My assumption is that she actually wrote it, and the people I grew up with are telling the truth but I don't really know because I wasn't there. Does that make sense? Also John speaks English at about an 6th grade level in his videos, he seems to be able to communicate just fine for basic things. Of course those could be deep fakes who knows man. I am not claiming anything, I am just presenting what the letters say. I do not know because I was not there. Let's please drop this, and move on, or if you cannot do that let's continue this on the buns forum where it won't continue to create a problem here, and the community there will allow it continue as long as needed without banning people. Ok?

So Shadow evidence is a funny thing because people who don't accept it just dismiss it as nonsense. Right now in my life personally my Aunt passed away with a multimillion dollar estate. She wrote a will in the hospital with 3 witnesses present. The rest of the family refuses to accept those were her wishes, despite their testimony and the fact it is in her handwriting. If someone dismisses the evidence and refuses to accept it there really isn't a whole lot that can be done about it. Do I have video of May Yung Chen's spirit doing a Chidori Version of Sennen Goroshi on John's perineum to keep him in line? No. Do I have video of John telling this story to others? No. What I do have are the letters Jim left behind when he passed, which I believe are what John legitimately wrote to him. This is based off of what Jim told me and others because supposedly he called and begged and pleaded repeatedly and was told the same thing in the letters over and over and over. If Jim typed these up to mess with our heads, or if John's son was having some fun with Jim I don't know. I can only say this is what I have. Can we please stop rehashing this? If we can't ,then can we at least continue this on a forum that allows for such "conversations"? The buns forum is that forum, this place not so much.

I prefer this over some random WordPress blog though you're certainly free to have a difference of opinion.

K

Anyway if this needs to continue it needs to continue in an environment that allows for it. The buns forum is such an environment this forum is not.

Shadow again all I know is what the letters to Jim from John say. Hey who knows maybe Jim doctored these letters and made them himself to really mess with everybody's head after he died. There's a trillion different things you could concoct to come up with conspiracy type theories behind why and how they're not true.

Shadow I have no clue who is lying and who is telling the truth because I wasn't there to see what happened myself first hand. The Bible says that Jesus walked on water and healed the blind and turned water into wine and maybe he did heck I don't know but I wasn't there to confirm it so I can't tell you one way or the other. What I do know is that Jim received letters from John and John said that he was removed as head of the school and couldn't teach anyone anymore because he broke his oath to not teach westerners and the person who removed him was May Yung Chen. I also know that Jim called him about a dozen times begging and pleading for him to reconsider and was told the same thing each time he called him. So yes someone is lying I don't know if it's Jim I don't know if it's John I don't know if it's Kosta I don't know if it's everybody I'm only telling you what I know and that's what the letters say does that make sense? In my opinion this exchange is getting to the point of absurdity and I'm certain that other people here are going to start complaining about it and then the administration's going to ban me because I'm exchanging words with you even though it's polite right so when this reaches page 85 or whatever I won't be here anymore and you win. If you want to continue this exchange let's please do it somewhere in an environment that will allow for it because that environment is not this forum the buns forum is.

Anyway let's please move this over to the buns forum where it won't create problems here if you wish to continue this.

Jim receive letters from John stating what I talked about earlier Jim discussed it with John on the phone not just once but probably a dozen times sorry I can't help you May Yung Chen won't allow it is the answer. Unfortunately Jim did not record these conversations with John on the phone so I don't have any quote unquote proof other than the letters but even if I did have voice recordings I'm sure you might claim they were deep fakes and they don't really prove anything or it was somebody impersonating John's voice or what have you because it seems that you can come up with an infinite number of reasons why nothing proves anything.

Keep in mind that Jim talked on the phone to John quite a lot mind you after he got this letter not just once or twice or three times or four times or five times but like a dozen or more begging him to reconsider and he got the same answer each time he even wrote to John's family begging them to get him to change his mind. As far as I know what John wrote in those letters were his actual thoughts and not someone else's but since you're privy to things that I'm not I guess you're right because you're somebody on the internet who claims to be right and therefore you must be right. Shadow for the 85th time now if you'd like to keep arguing there is a forum that is set up specifically to allow for it the dao buns forum it will allow this. The administration here will not. You're welcome to go over to the buns forum and I'll be happy to continue this with you but there's not a whole lot more I can say here.

Shadow as I've explained I can only state what John said in his letters. I personally don't know if what he saw of May Yung Chen was a dream, or if he was being dishonest with Jim or if there's some other explanation. I'd say having letters written from John are about as good as you could probably do so I'll leave it at that and if you'd like to keep arguing about this then please let's do it in a different environment where we won't bother the people here and people don't wind up getting banned when this thread reaches page 185. Peace out.

k

Just FYI, Scott the owner of the forum demanded a new name to call their group by. He would not allow them to even be called western mo pai, which they see as an insult, let alone mo pai. They were told to pick a name or be banned. They picked the acronym SOMAD, and then were immediately banned after doing so.

To be clear, even with no insults whatsoever the administration here removes people they see as being problematic, continuing a discussion past some arbitrary number of pages constitutes a problem in their eyes. It's a no win situation. The buns forum allows for discussions that go for 100, or 1,000 pages even. That is why I suggested mo pai discussion occur where it can occur, because it cannot here insults or not. Also SOMAD is not a preferred name for any mo pai group that I am aware of, nor is western mo pai.

People claim lots of things Shadow, don't always assume they are being truthful. I believe that is what John told Jim, and I believe that John probably believed that. It remains to be seen if John's visit by May Yung Chen was a dream, or if he was being untruthful. I can only state what his letters to Jim say. If you want to continue this further, please do it in the appropriate environment for it the buns forum is that environment.

That is certainly your prerogative to believe that, if you want to have a long discussion on the topic you are welcome to do it on the buns forum where it won't create a problem here.

Long drawn out 100, or even 1000 page posts can occur on the buns forum, they cannot occur here, and they if attempted people get banned, that is the long and short of it.