helpfuldemon

you still didn't define the moral ground for why a person should be paid evenly with the other and not with higher wages. If it isn't quality of work, or effort put in, then what do we base the value of labor on? It comes down to the price of things and the cost of the training to do the task. It also comes down to the ability to perform the task. Not everyone can do these things and so they are paid more for them. You'd be better off arguing about the price of things and the morality behind the cost than to debate the value of intellect, education, effort and ability of the laborer. Is it moral to charge such high prices for things that are produced? Is it moral to pay less for things of less value? I agree that it seems unjust that some people make so much more, but how do we resolve this? The cost of education and the value of the individual has to come into context when considering the wage.

So here you seem to be advocating for One True Will, One True Morality. Perhaps you can enlighten us on the moral laws you found and what they are based upon?

On what moral ground do you find that the difference between value of a cashier and a programmer is immoral? What is the morality behind your observation?

In the past, countries have reaped wealth unjustly through war. Now that the order is established, we have to watch for this. A person accumulates wealth from effort and intellect. It is not unjust that a person who chose the right field to study or refine makes more, it is supply and demand. Sure, what they pay the worker has to be adequate for that worker to live in security and happiness, and it is not done well here, but that is because there is an abundance of under skilled and under educated workers to exploit.

Have you ever wondered why, if Jesus is God, do so many people get away with breaking His commandments? Its because God represents Free Will, and not Love. Don't get me wrong, I love Jesus and I think His lessons for morality are outstanding, but from what I see and have experienced, I realize that God is freedom, and not love.

Love is more than just an emotion. In the beginning of life, we love, and are given care, which helps us to feel safe. Then comes desire, and then the mind, which calculates ways to acquire what we desire. When we see that loving action gets us what we want, we realize a greater love: a love for our fellow human beings. We eventually realize that they are just like us, and that we live in a society that must co-operate to reach civilization. When we aren't approached with love, we feel strife. We find conflict and get angered. We feel we are treated unjustly. This is why Love is the Law.

There be demons.

It's a curse. Certain factors need to be involved to be cursed, however. One must be completely determined to reach the ears of the Gods. One must be convinced of their own righteousness. One must declare their Will to the Universe. You could also ask to be cursed, as I did. My friend was being cursed and to save him, I demanded that I take his place. I thought I was strong enough to handle it. I would never have done these things had the spirit of a God not entered my body and used my hand to draw out a symbol, making me aware of its presence. Top-down, its a curse. One goes on a quest for truth and is tortured for it. The only escape it to be satisfied with what you believe and stop thinking.

Even though I believe I ascended the degrees, I wonder why a God would put this on someone? It seems like such a waste of power to do it to me when there are plenty of Evil people in the world.

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Make certain to distinguish between the morality of power and freedom and the morality of loving kindness. The two are not the same.

God is All that Is. God is Chaos and Order, God is Love and Hate. God is Law, and Lawless. God is Freedom.

I see a few sites named libgen, which one are you referring to?

Moral choices are often about what makes a person happy. If there is satisfaction or joy from a choice, it is often considered to be morally correct for the person. This is not true, however, for there are many choices one can make that can harm another.

There is two ways to configure what is Good: Good for the self, and Good for all. Morality is a matter of what makes one happy. Should one be about the Good of the self, their morality may differ from what is Good for all. What path one chooses is key to deciding what a moral compass may be. A good government would have a morality that is Good for all.

I think human beings are left to their own devices. I don't think God does much for us, other than provide us with the impetus of discovering an ideal. I think our environment is a hardship we endure, and I think that human beings are naturally blank and are formed by nurture.

I feel betrayed. Before i began my journey to study the Occult and pursue God, I was a loving person that had been a bit lawless in life, but had come around. My encounter with the God and my initiation led me to examine philosophy (by choice, not per instruction) and eventually, my own life. I endured many hardships in this, being tortured by voices and invaded by wires in my body. As I have come out the other side, I am still left with questions of why, what and who. I am no closer to understanding God than I was before, I have studied mystical truth and believe it to be false. I have travelled through philosophy and find little use for much of it. I endured two decades of suffering just to be ignorant again.

20 years ago I had a vision of an Angel that took me before a throne, where the figure upon it said "I am the Sephiroth, I am all that is". Since then I have witnessed many amazing things, and not all of them good. Ive come to realize that God is the good and the evil, and that we are just pawns in a scheme of creation that is meant for us to experience and endure. God is sickness, and health, God is war, and peace, God is life and death, and we are at His mercy.

To love is to consume, for it comes from the bowels and the heart, and it devours what we desire.

One should not look too deeply into life, for all we do is consume and suffer.

Crowley never should have said "Love is the Law", for it directly contradicts "Do What Thou Wilt". He never should have back peddled on Do What Thou Wilt, either. He should have known that his personal bias on what is right is going to be flawed, because morality is subjective to the Age and person. Do What Thou Wilt should be just that, and kept simply. If you want Love to be the Law, be a Christian, for if you just take the Gospels, it is flawless in its sense of love.

I can't say I studied moral precepts too much, but I did practice certain ideas from different cultures prior to my entering the Abyss and forming my own sense of morality, which is as follows: I break things down into Good and Evil. Good is to aid, and Evil is to harm. Harming someone else's health, wealth or liberty is Evil. I don't have many rules on sexual activity, other than it needs to be consensual. I honor the age of 18 as the limit for sexual activity, though I think this is wrong of us. I don't have any objections to drugs and alcohol, except that for some drugs which are illegal, they support gun toting and violent people when bought, so don't do those. I don't think it is immoral to do drugs and alcohol. Even though I have come to a body of thought regarding morality, I think that in my past, when I broke these rules, I am paying for them now. I dream of violent things and am often stolen from in dreams. I also defecate in my dreams and sometimes it makes me pee the bed because I am dreaming so heavily of urinating that I start to do it in life. I don't really believe in the forgiveness of Sins, but it might be possible to reverse Karma, IDK. I'm sort of stuck with what I get for having been so lawless as a child.

Wow! That is the first time you (sorta) agreed with me!

For Crowley, God was Chaos. I guess he created a religion that isn't in line with his personal beliefs?

The Christian Bible came about because the ancient philosophers, mainly Aristotle, narrowed God down to the "Unmoved Mover". He declared that there is no greater power than the One God. The philosophers and Jews at the time worked to create a religious text that could comprehend this God. Prior to the One God of Aristotle, there were many Gods, and they all had different aspects and motives. The Jews believed that God was Good, and so they wondered how there is Evil in the world. That is when they declared there to be a rival to God. They said that before the fall of mankind, there was no Evil in the world, but that we were tempted to eat from the proverbial tree of Good and Evil, in other words, we started to think and become aware. Then Sin entered the world and we fell. The Jews didnt like Sin or Evil, so they demonized lust and desire, something that entered our awareness thanks to the Serpent, which probably dates back to an older Serpent religion. The Jews were waiting for a messiah to aid them in their governing of their culture and save them from their warfaring neighbors. But the Christian thinkers took this one step further and decided that the messiah would remove Sin from the Earth altogether, and so they have the perfect man Jesus, who was Divine and without Sin. The Jews sacrificed to their God, and so Jesus, who was the perfect person, was sacrificed to the God to remove Sin from the world. However, as we can all see, Sin and lust and desire are still here, but the hope is that if you follow the Christian teachings, you will live a life without Sin and lust and desire, and be Good. Jesus also took on the aspect of savior and forgiver, and the Christians look to him for salvation. Thelema is a religion that tries to handle the Serpent and desire more accurately than to deny it. Their God is Chaos, for it is chaos that is caused by desire and the unrestrained emotions of love. For myself, I think we are denying who we are, and who God is. I think that the true God is like us, with all of our aspects, and is both Good and Evil. For what Good God would allow such suffering? Suffering is part of our biological condition. It is part of our environment and its natural disasters. We should not invent stories to protect God from the awareness that God created this space, and these are parts of our journey. We should also not deny our desires for the sake of a calm life. They are natural and necessary for the enjoyment of life. I say this even though I am a man of little desire. But in my youth, I did pursue my dreams, and I was happy. I grieve over the distress that desire causes, but I also grieve over the absence of it. If not for my illness, I am at peace. I never wanted to be a man of peace, but it is all that I have now.