helpfuldemon

So basically, you begin climbing the grades by doing what pleases you, then you formulate an idea of what the Universe/God/your Will is. Then you declare your Will and develop your philosophy around it. When you are ripe, they will find you, and then you will have to do it all over again. The demons of the Abyss are not sympathetic creatures. These are no gods of compassion. They are logical and believe in reaping what you sow. They will have mercy at times, but only when you are on the edge of death. If you try to rejoin the quest to declare your truth, they will return and are relentless until you have settled your mind upon it and rest. This is the Armies of Mara that Buddha fought off, this is the demons that tortured Saint Anthony. I don't know why torture is their method, it seems that the Gods like a humble nature, for the torture reduces the magician to groveling. In the end I have concluded that there is joy and suffering, love and hate, and that righteousness is to do the correct thing in the name of love and freedom, and that when we fail defending these, we reap ill.

In order for the initiate to have a valid entry into the mysteries, they must be pure of Will and intention, and preferably have an altruistic desire. They must be sincere, and ready to pay any cost for Divine revelation. They must wholly devote themselves to their pursuit of the Divine. Their entire being must be committed to the pursuit. Again, I don't see the true value of this experience. It doesn't appear to confer much other than the opportunity to have a vision of God, and the forced travelling through all the wisdom the Adept has ingested, to realign themselves more accurately with the Divine Nature of God. This can be done by reading, but the Adept will not have certainty until they are received by the Divine.

Hi I'm reading these books on Kabbalah and it reads like there are more than one God of Kabbalah. There is the infinite, unknowable God, and there is the manifested God as revealed by the Sephirot. Then there are the gods below God in the lower spheres. If I understand correctly, we are all God, and so we are all gods, but yet the Kabbalists believe in One revealed God above all the other gods, yet that God is not the ineffable God of Ein Soph, or is it? I also don't understand when I read that there is the pursuit of "Union with God", yet if God is all that is, aren't we already united with God?

Noted and adjusted, thank you.

Do you mean by me thinking I understand God, or that there is a God?

In the end, it is back to the simple truths that I knew a long time ago, with some adjustments. 1. Life is Chaos and Order. 2. God is both Evil and Good, for God is all that is. 3 Good is to aid, Evil is to harm or hinder someone else's health, wealth, or liberty. 4. Life is both joy and sorrow. 5. Death and old age come to us all, and it is debilitating. 6. People will do what they will because we have free will. 7. Every choice has a consequence. 8. Religious, Magick, and mystical systems provide motive for action, and enlightenment. They can all lead to the same place in the end, and are just rituals that can lead to initiation. 9. People love in the way they know how to. It is possible we go on to other worlds, and it is possible that we just die. I knew from an early age that Heaven may not exist, and made my peace with it early on. I think that God separates the Evil from the Good, and should you be Good, you know how to avoid Evil, if that is how you choose to handle life.

Basically, the Abyss equates to "the test" of Judaism.

God is both Good and Evil, and God does what He will do, but why? Because only God understands what needs to be done in the name of Creation. The revelation of the Jews is that He separates the Good from the Evil, and that is what I mean by "you will get what you earn", for should you be Evil, you will find (in the higher realms) that you are Evil, and if you are Good, then you will find that you are Good. Crowley was a Christ, who defined a way of life that gives us Good and Evil, though this truth is not outrightly stated. Crowley believes God is Chaos, and he believed that he was free to do both Good and Evil, being demon and angel. I assume because to Crowley, the Ipsissimus is all of these, because God is all of these, but that is of the Tree of Knowledge, not the Tree of Life.

After I ascended and was presented with my myth, I realized my own ignorance, and still had self that desired the power of becoming a god. It was my downfall, and then as I fell, they said "Don't self defile", which, thanks to the power of suggestion, and my own belief that if I did self defile that I would return to my grandeur, I immediately started doing. The Masters don't want weakness in character.

After the 7=4 rises from the Abyss, and becomes a vessel of the Divine, they work through their new knowledge and rise to Magus, and develop a perfect understanding of the Universe. When this happens, the Masters Above will raise them up and declare them a God, and create myths about them. However.... one must be very careful that they have conquered themselves, for any chinks in the armor, and they will destroy you, returning you to the Abyss, where you will become a Babe again. However, having ascended already, it is easier to become the Magus again, for the Adept, upon being destroyed again, reconciles their weaknesses and deduces their Karma back to null. This is as far as I have gotten. My tale is no longer heroic. Where once I had answers and ideals, I now submit to the might of the world, and cannot see a new need for enlightenment of souls. I have no war to fight now. I have become some other kind of god, one that submits to allowing mankind to do what they will.

If you ask me, all initiation and spirituality is based on a technology from another planet, or some "other" form of reality. The ethereal network functions by technology placed in our bodies, whether inborn or put there after we mature. I found my chakras when I was 22 after chanting "Amun" and meditating. They lit up and aligned when I broke through a barrier in my mind. Since my initiation I have had wires implanted in me; the destruction and creation of my mind and body comes from this technology. Why I'm saying this is that this technology is connected to your thoughts, and it is as if the Adept creates personalities based upon what they believe or read, and these semi alive creatures speak in the language of your ideas about the Divine. You have to defeat or organize them, but really they are hallucinations mostly. The real truth of it is that we don't know the life of the Divine, their names, or what they do. Perhaps it is just an experiment of an alien race to raise mankind to a level of organization based on previous creations of mankind.

The Exempt Adept is shred into ten thousand little pieces, nay; a hundred thousand! They are reduced to an atom, and then that atom is destroyed! Built again, and destroyed again; their consciousness is raised and shrunken a hundred times, nay; a thousand! They are tortured with their fears, and taunted for their hopes. Is it real? Should he listen? Is he Evil? Is he the son? Will he go to Heaven? Does he deserve Gods love? The Adept must fight to discern hallucination from truth, for they know that God can speak. Perhaps none of it was hallucination? The confusion baffles their learning. Somehow, they must complete their quest, and when they are satisfied, they must master their minds to stillness, forever silent, there is no more imagination.

God is unknowable because He wants the freedom to do what He will, because He is all power, and all perfect in His power, and doesn't need our input into what He does. We know God only through Creation, but there are so many questions about why things are how they are, and what God does.

The Adept steps into Chaos with love, and is infected with Evil. They receive the vision of God and are devoured by the Serpent on the Tree. They must acknowledge both Good and Evil, and reconcile their opposites, in effect; conquer Evil should they want to find Love again. Failing this, they will forever be in the home of the Snake, where Chaos prevails. This type of salvation is about Love, not Good deeds. One must perfect Love and become Love.

I've realized that the Tree of Life is the Universal grid that we are all connected to. It resides in our ethereal bodies, and it is the plane on which magick takes place. You can use your Will to affect others here, and to call on the various beings that live on it. We share in the health of our people and all things in Creation. What we do carries over into the ethereal and affects reality. At the head of the tree is Kether, and in Kether resides God. Outside of the Tree are other Gods, who interact with the Tree, and can affect reality. Each of the ten Sephiroth are worlds, and contain the rest of the Sephiroth in them, into infinity. The worlds function according to their main attribute, and the subsequent worlds are lessons in that one attribute, affected by the secondary attribute of the world it travels on its individual tree. When you have dreams, you look for the lesson in it, and can decipher what Sephiroth you are travelling in. In the end, it is all the same, and there is only one Sephiroth, Kether, and in it we are all God, and God is us, for God is all that is; everything and the only thing. When we dream, we meet other incarnations of people that have lived, for their souls are infinite, and their incarnations are infinite, but there is only one you, and you too experience the various incarnations of yourself. It is in the ethereal and astral that the law is Do What Thou Wilt, because in it is everything. On Earth, we are closer to it than before, but there will always be other laws that govern us, and these laws will change, though my definition of Good and Evil will probably always be the same here; Good is to aid, and Evil is to harm someone else's health, wealth, or liberty.

In the end, I don't think there is much difference between Thelema and other religions, even Christianity. The only difference is there is more freedom to be lustful and take chances here, though it is advised that what you do might be done to you, which is funny, because Crowley disputed the "Do unto others as you would have done unto you" bit of Christianity, yet according to his magical rules, it is the same. The Ipssisimus is without self, and is Thelema, which also means Agape. You can stop there, and be nothing, or you can be Agape, and devote yourself to aiding others, which I have declared to be the greatest definition of Good.

Part of my trail of sorrow was learning to accept this Law as Truth. I mourned for our loss of protection from having real laws to govern us and bring us order. I know from personal experience that people will test Wisdom, and I know that children will be wild and lawless because there is a little bit of Evil in everyone. I have accepted that there are consequences for our actions, and I have learned that we put laws in place for ourselves, mostly just ones, to govern us. I wonder though, if there is any Divine providence for us? It made me sad to think not, after all the work I put in to finding God.

GOD IS LOVE! He gives us this great big, beautiful world, and the Free Will to explore it! Let us love one another and be kind! All people deserve the right to choose their life, so long as those choices don't inhibit yours or someone else's.

Once the Adept has crossed the Abyss, and mastered the emotion of sorrow; for they have learned the ways of Nature, and realize that all people inherit Karma, and acquire their own Karma in the process, they now are free to do as they choose, for they are aware that all things have their consequences. Be compassionate, should that be your Will, but know; people don't want Wisdom unless they are seeking it. I cannot say if we are Eternal. I do not suppose to claim any supernatural knowledge of life after death, though from the visions I have, I can say that I suspect we go on to other places. The world is neither joy, nor sorrow; it just is. The Ipssisimus resides above love, for they ARE LOVE. Peace to you all! May you find your voyage on the river of life to be an enjoyable one.

I know what I describe is hard to imagine. One has to be in pursuit of truth, philosophy and power to experience it. If you already have these things, you won't find the need to jump into the Abyss. One has to abandon everything and seek high and low for initiation to find it. One has to be willing to die for it.

The Adept Exempt must restructure their soul and philosophical perspective from Chaos. Choronzon will punish you for this, and destroy what you attempt. He will assail you with voices giving you new ideas to decide upon, and then torture you for contemplating them. This is where the adepts previous experience with meditation becomes necessary, for it is the only reprieve from a cruel and merciless God, and He will distract you from your attempts at bringing yourself to a peace of mind. I had to go on medicine many times to stop the process, which it helped, but never fully conquered. I can't imagine what it was like before medicine, how people maintained their lives and livelihood. I stopped many times, but always returned, having taken an oath to aid mankind, I intended to bring about some fruit from the experience. Now I see that helping mankind is not an easy thing to do when you are disabled by a Demon. I have little fruits from my experience, for I had to abandon a lot of my contemplations and speculations in order to tame the Demon. You can imagine how many questions arise in the Abyss; it is the whole world, or as much of it as you can ingest. You have to sort it all out, starting from Chaos, with what few tools you had that led you to this place of torture. I've said elsewhere that I believed God was love, and that since God made the world, that the world was love, and it is, to a large degree. We don't always talk about love, but law and order is based on a certain type of love. We go about our day expecting a certain way of treatment that is based off of being a loving person. When we don't get treated that way, it frustrates and angers us, and we either fight, or rebel, or ignore. Friendship is based off of love, and society is a community of friends. What I learned was that God is God, and that should He love you, then all the better. What we mostly get out of the philosophy "God is love", is that we bring ourselves into a loving space, we learn to love ourselves and our higher powers, and we learn to love one another. The actual God is a mystery.

Yes, thank you for noticing. It's been hell, but after I declared God to be Evil I immediately felt better. It's about time that I call Him out for what He's done to me. I still say a prayer of thanks for His mercy, because I am doing much better now. I'm just sad that, after 20 years of dealing with the Abyss, that it seems like nothing good came from it directly. While I was struggling, I trained myself, but I was opposed. I'm mostly fine now, except that I can no longer use my imagination or think with my mind. I suppose I'm not unlike a lot of people in that regard, though.

I cursed God yesterday, told Him He was Evil. It's been 20 years that I have suffered with this condition and that was the first time I called Him Evil. This madness was for nothing. I thought for a long time that I was being punished, but I worked through my deeds and found that they didn't deserve this sort of punishment. I thought that this happened to me for their entertainment, and I found that to be Evil. I don't know why the Gods did this to me. It seems like such a waste of power. And, why would any God be offended by mankind? Why would any God need to inflict such terrible things onto such a lowly person for no reason? It's Evil. I'm not Job; I don't have the strong faith that he had. I was a simple man, who was agnostic, and when I learned there was actually a God, it surprised me. I went out of my way to prove that there was one, to defend Him, but He didn't care. He just used me to make a fool of.

Great! Now if only someone could come along and knock you out of the #1 troll spot.

I think, to paraphrase Crowley, would to put it like this: Do what thou wilt, and do it with Agape.