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Good answer! That’s the Neigong view on it

Based on what you said, I would say he isn’t. Look, everyone where I said you have no fate for Neidan, I purely meant that based on your current views of things, it seems that your fate is not in line with Neidan. Without altering your viewpoint, you will not find a genuine Neidan lineage. I can tell you that if you are open-minded, change your views, and seek with an open-heart, you can find the lineages. So far, no one has really had any meaningful thoughts that really help.

Semen retention without the correct practices leads to bad health. Probably why you feel better. Your post also highlights that you have no fate for Neidan.

And I told you what I thought of your thoughts. That, by definition, is a conversation. So far, you’ve proven to me what many males think and why many don’t have the fate for Neidan. Thank you!

Well, I’d say you will die within 20 or so years. I’m sure they were fun though

Indeed. What is more important? But, let me, a young spring chicken, give you a word of advice. In the next 10-20 years, you will no longer be having sex. And, I do not think you correctly understand. You could have sex until you’re 50 then start practicing Neidan and still reach a high achievement. So, don’t come in here with your alpha male shit thinking you’re something because you’re old and have sex. At some point in everyone’s life, you are no longer able to have sex. The Jing depletes automatically. Then, you die a normal death and enter into the cycle of reincarnation. So, the question is, do you want to have sex like you’ve done for many previous lives or move beyond it to something way more rewarding?

Lol. This here outlines why such methods if they existed would never be taught through payment as form of permission

No. I’ll just leave it at that. I’d just be making things up and guessing. But, I do believe it was a thing. I’m talking about something within Neidan lineages. Nothing that is in any writing. Something that was passed down only from master to disciple in a closed-door setting. Probably a transmission teaching. Also, complete abstinence is still a requirement in what I am learning. Just adding some food for thought

Now, to sum up this post now that the theory has been fully fleshed out. Take this with a grain of salt. In my opinion, after the Yuan Jing replenishment stage, there used to be sexual practices that were done for a purpose with a cultivation partner. These would aid the cultivation of the elixir through opening channels or fusing substances, ect. Basically sexual side methods to do with your cultivation partner. The fact that this came after the Yuan Jing replenishment stage ensured that wrongdoings would be avoided as the correct safety measures were put into place. Again, Yuan Qi would still leak and it would be a waste, but say, you were using that Yuan Qi to open certain channels, then it would serve a purpose. You could just replenish that Yuan Qi after. Now, we may have lost these teachings to time, but this leads me to my point that sex is not entirely detrimental to spiritual growth. I believe when it serves a purpose maybe it is not 100% correct to completely avoid it. Maybe there are certain times where a person should recognize that having sex is useful to overcoming psychological obstacles before dropping it entirely to achieve complete replenishment. Now, in modern times, I think we have simplified it because it is a complex topic. There have been many cases of sexual misconduct amongst gurus in the past. Thus, it is a dangerous topic to bring up. In any case, I believe each person’s journey through Neidan is personal and complete abstinence may happen on different timescales.

Yes. That is what I mean. Intentional avoidance from stimuli of desire to arise. This, combined with practice, leads to completely replenished Yuan Jing. Meaning, the bucket is completely filled back to how it was at the peak levels in your life. A deeper accomplishment than the firing process.

I’m not entirely sure when the Yang spark is extracted in the tradition I’m working under. I will have to ask my teacher

The difference in the systems lies in how direct it is in terms of touching the pre-heaven. Everything that Damo takes you through in regards to stilling Jing, consolidating Jing, and the other phrases he uses for the Jing are all accomplished through continual abstinence combined with replenishment.

Yes continual abstinence is considered ideal. Basically, you can have sex in small doses as long as you don’t finish. This is what many married men do. I believe in later stages we also extract the Yang spark, so the semen can be shed. Of course, the Yuan Jing is still leaking, also stimulating the post-heaven Qi. Eventually, the channel closes off leading to a natural reduction in leaks and sexual desire. Suppression of desire is basically the goal in tandem with the practice. Thus, you burn the candle from both ends. If you refrain from sex and desire for long enough, many of the things your tradition teaches are worked through. Consolidation/stilling of Jing, ect. So, if you have done the practice to the point where the channel closes off, there really isn’t that much danger in any sort of deviancy occurring. That’s where the true transformations start. This is why it is usually done in retreat in the mountains. Not in the city surrounded by women and distractions. My teacher has said that he doesn’t necessarily care if you’re having sex, but he has made us very aware that we will never replenish the Yuan Jing back to its peak state before puberty hit if we are having sex. Now, this doesn’t mean we can’t use our own discretion to deem when it’s useful to have sex. In other words, I have the permission to have sex without getting kicked out or not being able to continue in the lineage. I also just know that I won’t be marking progress if I do. It seems like a personal decision to make.

You are preaching to deaf ears. It is harsh to say, but I am convinced many of the people on this forum have no fate for Neidan. Just blind leading the blind. I will say it again: find masters of whichever spiritual path you want to follow, listen to their guidance, disregard those without a path, know that you are ignorant of many things. I at least admit to myself that I am ignorant of a great many things regarding alchemy while also trying to point out the basics when I can. Many people on this forum cannot admit that. They simply believe their own delusions

You misunderstand what I’m saying. Basically everyone on here besides @freeform do not understand much of the alchemical process at all. To ask for answers on here is folly. Likewise, you don’t really need to listen to anybody about alchemy except for your direct teachers. Then, practice leads you to your own answers and conclusions.

Jing is a distinct substance. Don’t listen to Taoist Texts. Look, no one on this forum can sufficiently answer your question. I haven’t personally refined my Yuan Jing to Yuan Qi yet. When I do, l will return here with more satisfactory answers. Those texts are nice references though.

A problem I’m noticing is everyone’s reliance on Damo or others like him for knowledge. Damo is not a master of Neidan and neither am I. There are errors in his understanding just as there are errors in mine. It seems like people are over glorifying him just because he has had a role in bringing some of the lesser known eastern practices to the west. Just because something is said to counter something Damo has said does not make it immediately wrong. I’ve said this time and again. Find an authentic lineage, practice wholeheartedly, and you will be able to tell what is true for yourself. If you are one of Damo’s students’, why even ask on here about Jing to Qi. Just ask him. Similarly, people in the online forums of Neidan need to get it into their heads that you don’t just rely on others for truth or knowledge. Neither do you rely on texts. You rely on your master’s guidance, your own practice, and stay true to your path. Then, the knowledge and truth reveals itself. There is no need to place people on pedestals.

It is a bit harder of an obstacle for Men to overcome, yes. Puns intended. We can also talk about menstrual blood if that makes you more comfortable Just as Men and Women have physical differences, they also have energetic differences, resulting in differing strengths and weaknesses for stages of Neidan. In fact, lost to the ages, there were specific lineages centered around women. In my opinion, lost to the ages as well, are legitimate sexual practices that actually helped both men and women in their pursuit of the elixir. It has been simplified down by modern masters to say “sex doesn’t matter for spiritual growth.” However, this statement is not entirely true. Sex can actually help one along the path to the elixir if done in the right way. Yes, it is eliminated entirely at a certain point and you don’t even feel like having sex at all. But that doesn’t mean it’s not useful in certain aspects. This still doesn’t change the fact that sex is something that stimulates our desires and leaks Yuan Jing though. In other words, it’s a major leak of Yuan Qi and is an obstacle everyone must overcome in order to achieve the elixir.

I’m sorry but no lmao. There is just as much organization of knowledge surrounding Jing with women as well. The process is simply different. Post-heaven Jing generates the sexual fluids within our body. Desire leaks Yuan Jing for both males and females. Semen is vitally important because it is created through using up the Yang spark of the jing. So, it’s a huge leak of Yuan Jing. The penis, quite frankly, doesn’t much matter. It’s the fluids that matter. And the mental arousal.

Yes, you are correct. Genuine Yang contained within water. This has to mix or fuse with Genuine Yin contained within fire.

Lol, well I’m listening to it rn. First off, he says “that brings you to the next step after alchemy, then you work with the channel system.” Not sure how that is after alchemy. That process he’s starting to describe is still alchemy. Also, a few of his sentences towards the very end are wrong as well. Says something about fueling meditation and other things. I guess in his view those are a middle pillar and couldn’t be fully explained as he was rushed. I am off to practice. I will listen to more of it later to see exactly what he says. Ah, I see. He’s talking of extracting the Yang spark of the Jing. Yes, that just means that the Yang spark is not present within your system, so it is not contained within the sperm when it is produced. So, essentially, when you ejaculate, you do not lose the Yang spark and Yuan Jing wastage is minimized to simply the mental desire. Like he mentions in the video, the process can be reversed. If you’re replenishing Yuan Jing, the Yang spark will come back. You can most certainly still have children. You just have to wait for your system to contain the Yang spark again without extracting it. Then, your semen will contain the potential for life, and boom babies are possible!

They pre-heaven always has a direct relationship with the post-heaven. Any work with the pre-heaven is simultaneously affecting the post-heaven. It doesn’t work the other way around though. If you affect the post-heaven, there is no direct affect on the pre-heaven.

I did. Can you explain what he’s teaching now?

In a way yes, but that model is highly simplified. Steam can also can be refined. The refined steam(whatever that may be) then has to fuse with the water. Otherwise known as the mixing of Kan and Li

There is a rerouting that takes place, but in my understanding, you are not sterile. Your body still produces post-heaven Jing when it needs to. This then gets converted to semen, which contains the potential for life. So, not sure if that’s a direct quote but that’s an error if it is.