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Doesn’t Daoism believe ‘nature’ is ‘naturally’ ordered? As in 道法自然 (Dao4 fa3 zi4 ran2 - Dao follows ‘nature’). … empties their minds … 虛 亓 心 xu1 qi2 xin1 And how could he possibly empty their minds … ? I am the only one with access to my mind.

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Seems you achieved 無 (wu2 - nothingness).

Why don’t you buy the book, I am curious to know why he deleted those chapters.

Anyone is free to create a new religion/philosophy from whatever is around, that’s fine with me.

PWT, we did that discussion on OD.

Me thinks Hoff is not really into Daoism.

Wang B was a Confucian who tried to adapt the DDJ to Confucianism.

Exactly.

??? Hoff uses the Wang B text, I think Wang B used a brush. So I totally fail to understand what Hoff is going on about with his pre-brush characters.

Have fun researching it. Please let me know what your findings are.

DIO picture of the Guodian text shows it was not done with a brush. Brushes caused the characters to be changed from round shapes to square shapes. E.g. see etymology 日

I could not find out a date for when they started to use a brush for writing literature.

That refers only to “decorative designs”. No mention of it being used for written literature. Fact is that the Guodian was still not written with a brush.

I couldn’t find any.

Everyone dies but no one is dead. (unknown)

Did not Wang B write with a brush? In the preview Hoff says: - he translated from the pre-brush characters - he uses the Wang B text Legend has it that the brush was invented by Meng Tian (? - 210 BC) Wang B (226-249 AD)

(From the preview) chapters deleted by Hoff: 5 36 45 58 80

What’s “important” can be rather personal. My only interest is the oldest available transcripts.

Hoff talks about pre ‘writing-brush’ characters. E.g. the characters the Guodian was written in. They were not written with a brush. In the preview Hoff mentions they were written with some other implement that could easily make circles.

yes, I am giving up on this. I stick to the transcripts DIO/Henricks.

If the brush was used alongside the Guodian method, then likely the meanings stayed the same, not?

The Guodian was not written in brush (see DIO picture).