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A note by the bit quoted. The ‘Classical’ as used by the Chinese after the Han dynasty, is different from the Classical Laozi used. The Chinese kept using Classical next to the Chinese current in their own times. But over time elements of the current Chinese crept into their ‘Classical’. Post Han dynasty, the ‘Classical’ has become so different that it has been given a separate name, ‘Literal’.

Reminiscent of my Chinese teacher - her motto is, ‘Chinese is very easy’. I’d ask, what tone is that? And she’d say, the one you hear. Lol, so annoying. Problem is, some actually don't hear it. There is a mechanism in the brain that can reduce language-input to the nearest sounds in your own language (needed to understand accents) and my language has no tones. I hear the tones now, but it took me years. This too, who's got the time!

These three are not the same: 古文 (gu3 wen2) Classical Chinese ; 文言文 (wen2 yan2 wen2) Literary Chinese ; 普通话 (pu3 tong1 hua4) Mandarin. Most sinologists use the words Classical and Literary for different periods (pre/post Han).

@Nungali "Don't spend too much time thinking about stupid shit." (DDJ ch. 20 à la Ron Hogan https://terebess.hu/english/tao/ron.html#Kap20 ) "Chinese … I can't read or speak it myself”. (Ron Hogan, Terebess DDJ intro)

I removed the irrelevant bits.

@ChiDragon me thinks you forgot to factor in Dutch culture and idioms here.

ze noemden je zelfs een idioot en zeiden dat je berichten een complete puinhoop waren. Gewoon een paard in een jas

Simone de Beauvoir saw immortality as a curse; and meaning and humanity as coming from finite existence (in her book ‘All Men Are Mortal’)

you need glasses

Yesterday it was extremely slow, it's fine now.

I agree.

Yes Wang Bi (c.3rd century AD). Being a Confucian, his interpretation was rather skewed. But his commentaries have ever since underpinned almost all translations of the DDJ.

Sinologist Robert Henricks thinks the division has little relevance, likely not part of the original but added later (in a commentary).

One must never “manipulate” qi.

Now you are just bragging.

I object. I think you can stand proud. Also it’s a human right to change your mind. I do it all the time.

Always happy to disagree with you. That’s great, I am very happy for you.

These three are not the same: 古文 (gu3 wen2) Classical Chinese ; 文言文 (wen2 yan2 wen2) Literary Chinese ; 普通话 (pu3 tong1 hua4) Mandarin. Most sinologists use the words Classical and Literary for different periods (pre/post Han).

Yes, Laozi thought so too.

These are all dictionaries for the use of the characters in modern Chinese. You need a dictionary for the meanings as used in transcripts of Classical Chinese. There often is some difference in the meanings. I use: A Student's Dictionary of Classical and Medieval Chinese, Author: Paul W. Kroll

Which dictionary did you use?

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