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If there is such a thing as “a ‘fake construct’ invented by ignorant western ‘cultural imperialists’ “, then Kroll (an American) could be part of it and his dictionary entries might be skewed. https://www.colorado.edu/alc/paul-w-kroll

~~~<>~~~ Kroll ~~~<>~~~ (page 80) 道 5. ideas and teachings especially associated with the texts Zhuangzi and Laozi (or Daodejing); e.g. 道家 dao4 jia1, lineage of the Way, bibliographic category refers to these and related texts, often defined as ‘philosophical Daoism’ in contrast to next. a. practices especially associated with movements and texts relating to masters of self-cultivation, pursuit of immortality, and various organised religious communities, esp. those ultimately deriving from the Way of the Celestial Masters (tianshidao 天 師 道) founded in mid-2nd-c. CE; e.g. (medieval [*] ) 道教 dao4 jiao4, teaching of the Way, from early 5th-c. CE a term assoc. with groups and texts just described, often defined now as ‘religious Daoism’. [* Kroll (see page X) (medieval) means that this meaning was not in use before the third century CE.] However ~~~<>~~~ Taoist Texts ~~~<>~~~ (https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/55282-taoism-according-to/?do=findComment&comment=1018711 ) … this quote above [Kroll] reflects the hilariously ignorant notion that 道家 were some kind of rational philosophers. They were not as this quote below proves: 《道虛 - Daoxu》

That I find disgusting

Yes, I think that’s true. And few are interested in looking at the characters as that’s too time consuming.

Yes I noticed Google mistranslates ‘grappig’, it definitely has to be funny.

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Agreed. All that equanimity seems repression to me. The Dalai Lama turned out to be a perv. “Dalai Lama apologises after kissing boy and asking him to ‘suck my tongue’ “ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/10/dalai-lama-apologises-kissing-boy-suck-his-tongue-video I was so disappointed. Buddhist enlightenment to me is totally unimportant in comparison to just being a decent person.

Righto. But a person does not have to be a Buddhist, in order to become enlightened.

I don’t want to be without suffering permanently, it’s not natural. Suffering, like all our emotions, has a function, e.g. in mourning.

趣 (dictionary) - interesting. But seems it also means ‘funny’? ’grappig toch’ - Funny, right!

Perfect! But you left out a bit: “Grappig toch!”

@wandelaar heb je het etiket gelezen op mijn pindakaas pot? Grappig toch!

@Keith108 Righto, 見性 jian4 xing4

Interesting. Why is that? What is “openings”?

Sorry, don’t understand, what is the taboo in Zen? What does this icon mean? Yes. Hmm ... Interesting.

No, these bums love talking about their experiences. They just don’t like those musings interfered with by facts. My interest is (was ) translating the DDJ from characters; that’s just factual.

Lol, that made me laugh, because that’s exactly what one of the above mentioned bums called me. Some really dislike facts, it interferes with their esoteric musings.

Agreed. E.g. In a thread about a certain phrase in the DDJ, I posted that this phrase is actually not present in the oldest versions of the DDJ. For that I got called a ‘troll’. Very odd that, I thought. So didn’t post about Daoism again in threads with these bums. There are some interesting old threads. That’s about it.

Tja … Het ‘3-Nederlanders’ subforum.

Question: “Is Buddhism incomplete?”. My answer: I could not care less. Same goes for the Abrahamic stuff, not interested; that’s not what I joined this forum for. When I post anything Daoist, there usually is no response.

cf 自然 zi4 ran2 - self-so. “Ziran signifies the state of not relying on or existing according to anything external.” https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/54593-zi4-ran2-自然/?do=findComment&comment=1003399

I prefer the Visconti-Sforza cards. This one has the winged horses, with harness and reins. She is holding sceptre (yang) and orb (yin). She is not holding the reins.

Why are there no reins? Also invisible? Why are the sphinxes lying down? On strike? Or too “itchy” perhaps?

and in some other ones too, e.g.:

I see no harness. Why are the sphinx/horses holding their tales in their paws?