Cobie

Thank you for replying.

(I don’t have time to read all that’s on the link) could you please tell me why it is thought that “Ziliang successfully transcended”?

This is from page 193 (of the link TT gave, googlebooks ) See above, “In Ziliang’s records there was a recepy for the Ninefold Perfected Jade-Liquor Elixer, presumably this is what he used”. (page 194)

“In Chinese history, the alchemical practice of concocting elixirs of immortality from metallic and mineral substances began circa the 4th century BCE in the late Warring states period, reached a peak in the 9th century CE Tang dynasty when five emperors died, and, despite common knowledge of the dangers, elixir poisoning continued until the 18th century Qing dynasty.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_alchemical_elixir_poisoning

“… everyone … was shocked and dismayed” (page 193 of your link googlebooks ) “… he took the elixer”. (page 193) ”… this young man’s … preparing the drug that would … translate him to the … postmortem position…” (page 189) “In Ziliang’s records there was a recepy for the Ninefold Perfected Jade-Liquor Elixer, presumably this is what he used”. (page 194) “ … Tao's disciple Zhou Ziliang whom Shangqing deities reportedly instructed to prepare a poisonous elixir and commit suicide in order to achieve immortality.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_alchemical_elixir_poisoning

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Your article is from 2016. The United Nations estimates Islamic State currently only has about 10,000 fighters. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/with-explosions-iran-islamic-state-attempts-comeback-2024-01-05/ To put this in perspective, almost a quarter of the world population is Muslim i.e. almost 2 billion ( 2,000,000,000 ).

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“I'd explain it to you, but I don't have any crayons.”

So to whom do they belong according to the Chinese leaders (I know you think they are Confucian)?

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What happened last year? That’s why ‘May you live in interesting times’ is a curse.

He was a Dutch Sinologist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_van_Gulik This is a paper about van Gulik’s Judge Dee stories https://studenttheses.uu.nl/bitstream/handle/20.500.12932/8/Zhu 5110742.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

If there is such a thing as “a ‘fake construct’ invented by ignorant western ‘cultural imperialists’ “, then Kroll (an American) could be part of it and his dictionary entries might be skewed. https://www.colorado.edu/alc/paul-w-kroll

~~~<>~~~ Kroll ~~~<>~~~ (page 80) 道 5. ideas and teachings especially associated with the texts Zhuangzi and Laozi (or Daodejing); e.g. 道家 dao4 jia1, lineage of the Way, bibliographic category refers to these and related texts, often defined as ‘philosophical Daoism’ in contrast to next. a. practices especially associated with movements and texts relating to masters of self-cultivation, pursuit of immortality, and various organised religious communities, esp. those ultimately deriving from the Way of the Celestial Masters (tianshidao 天 師 道) founded in mid-2nd-c. CE; e.g. (medieval [*] ) 道教 dao4 jiao4, teaching of the Way, from early 5th-c. CE a term assoc. with groups and texts just described, often defined now as ‘religious Daoism’. [* Kroll (see page X) (medieval) means that this meaning was not in use before the third century CE.] However ~~~<>~~~ Taoist Texts ~~~<>~~~ (https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/55282-taoism-according-to/?do=findComment&comment=1018711 ) … this quote above [Kroll] reflects the hilariously ignorant notion that 道家 were some kind of rational philosophers. They were not as this quote below proves: 《道虛 - Daoxu》

That I find disgusting

Yes, I think that’s true. And few are interested in looking at the characters as that’s too time consuming.

Yes I noticed Google mistranslates ‘grappig’, it definitely has to be funny.

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Agreed. All that equanimity seems repression to me. The Dalai Lama turned out to be a perv. “Dalai Lama apologises after kissing boy and asking him to ‘suck my tongue’ “ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/10/dalai-lama-apologises-kissing-boy-suck-his-tongue-video I was so disappointed. Buddhist enlightenment to me is totally unimportant in comparison to just being a decent person.

Righto. But a person does not have to be a Buddhist, in order to become enlightened.

I don’t want to be without suffering permanently, it’s not natural. Suffering, like all our emotions, has a function, e.g. in mourning.