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Exactly. That's my approach as well - without proof, I call it 'belief'.

I experience the metaphysical, have done for 35 years now. I also have had ‘experiences’ that turned out to be hallucinations brought forth by my own mind. I prefer to say I believe in the metaphysical.

I already did. At: https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/57453-is-the-mco-real-split-from-benebell-wen-on-the-microcosmic-orbit/?do=findComment&comment=1065775 and: https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/57453-is-the-mco-real-split-from-benebell-wen-on-the-microcosmic-orbit/?do=findComment&comment=1065844 It’s all there.

道可道，非恆道 People may talk about the Dao, but it’s not the Dao that they usually practice.

In your post. you are conflating to unrelated things. Of the people saying MCO is a belief system, some belief there is a metaphysical dimension, some don’t.

@steve sending you well wishes.

Yes.

@liminal_luke The OP asked “Is the MCO real?”

Yes it’s U.K. English https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/modernism

indeed, it’s a “belief” system

there are DDJ ‘translations’ around with chapters called “quantum” this or that; totally bizarre imo. Trying to find an example, I saw Laozi inspired Bohr. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321280738_Bohr_Quantum_Physics_and_the_Laozi

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The goal of guided meditations is to get you to think, ‘who the f*ck are you to tell me what to do.’.

True, as the goal of meditation is to learn thoughts are not real.

Hi. Welcome to the forum.

'science' is gross

Different traditions use different words: Tummo flames; Pentecostal flames. MCO; “no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit". (John 3:5) Picture from Wiki page ‘tummo’.

logical fallacy, circular argument

I agree. Oh I like being in agreement. Let’s put what I think you will not agree with in a blind box.

The entire post reads like a load of AI crap to me.

Imo yes; I think most people that are not cultivating (MCO or otherwise), are not cultivating because they already have what the cultivators are trying to achieve.

Different traditions have different words. Some of the words I’ve heard of: prana; qi; fengshui (wind & water); breath; ruach; aether/quitessence; pneuma; psyche; anima; spirit; soul; life force; vital energy; energy.

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W. not all sweet and light then I gather. Any conjectures?