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Interesting. ~~~ re void (I read in your link that) in Mahapralaya the ‘void’ is total darkness. “.. there is pitch darkness …” In Daoism the ‘void’ is total light only. 無極 wu2 ji2 - “no ridgepole“ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuji_(philosophy) ~~~ re both have undivided/divided (From your link) in Mahapralaya (in the void), “The day and the night are not demarcated.” Now there is “day and night” In Daoism, 無極 wu2 ji2 - no ridgepole Now there is 太極 tai4 ji2 - big ridgepole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiji_(philosophy) Interesting. If I understand well, “intelligence and energy” preceding ‘love’. For some life goes the other way round, and then round again. I agree.

Thanks for your reply.

Are you acting as admod here?

Timeline of Chinese dynasties http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/timelines/china_timeline.htm

novel idea that “Shang Dynasty … thought to mark the beginning of Chinese civilization: characterized by … practice of divination … “ https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287814899_A_Re-Examination_of_the_Ban_on_Witchcraft_during_the_Song_Dynasty_from_the_Perspective_of_Legislature “The Shang period had two methods to enter in contact with divine ancestors: the first is the numinous-mystical wu (巫) practice, involving dances and trances; and the second is the method of the oracle bones ...” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_shamanism I agree. Witchcraft definitely predated the Qing. E.g. see “… the Song government … banned … the "illegal" witchcraft …” [Song predates the Qing] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287814899_A_Re-Examination_of_the_Ban_on_Witchcraft_during_the_Song_Dynasty_from_the_Perspective_of_Legislature

I don’t. I kind of have an internal timer.

Hi Kevvv. Welcome to the forum.

Belated welcome to the forum.

methinks the noumenon is in the internal world

I agree. Ime it’s not in the external world; it’s in the internal world.

… “I didn’t have many friends at school, I wanted to be a member of a group of people that had an aim, and I thought getting involved in that kind of thing would be comradeship. “ “Even though you end up being a group of people that through their own extreme views are cut off from society, you do have a sense of comradeship in that you’re a member of a group that’s being attacked by other people.” (Kevin Wilshaw, well known National Front organiser in the 1980s, both a Neo-Nazi and of Jewish heritage) https://www.channel4.com/news/neo-nazi-national-front-organiser-quits-movement-comes-out-as-gay-kevin-wilshaw-jewish-heritage

I agree. Exactly. I agree.

That’s what I found too. 地氣 (earth's atmosphere) is what people in ancient China called the water vapor evaporated from the surface. 地氣是中國遠古時人們所稱的地表蒸發的水氣。 dì qì shì zhōngguó yuǎngǔ shí rénmen suǒ chēng dì dìbiǎo zhēngfā de shuǐ qì.

I can “feel” it.

Really? “There is nothing to interpret”.

@Christopher Tricker said “… No matter which translation I read (Watson, Graham, Mair, Palmer, Ziporyn, and others), … were a rambling, poorly-written mess …” https://thecicadaandthebird.com/how-chuang-tzus-book-was-discovered

@Dao Hu 道虎 dao4 hu3 - dao tiger

Yes, yours is a grammatically correct translation; it is also the standard translation; and I too read it that way. However, apparently OV can occur in Classical Chinese* (but I’m unfamiliar with when). ~~~ * “The basic constituent order of Classical Chinese is subject-verb-object (SVO), but is not fully consistent: there are particular situations where the VS and OV word orders appear.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Chinese_grammar (Core constituent order)

obsolete now

Hi. Welcome to the forum.

My (me, Cobie) “self” is not my “mind” and my self can control my mind.

I’ve never not had UBM. This might be different for other people, and it might be some do have to “learn” UBM.

My body does the breathing, I do not interfere . 無為 - no interference. Works for me.

Did your ‘evolved’ computer make this picture?