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The point would be they dont know if they are getting treatment or not, because they dont know what group they are in. Many of the reviews are done on children https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(17)30291-2/abstract This one is actually triple blinded, and done on adults Heres another one in people with TBI double blinded https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/human-neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2022.979723/full The important point here, is every time these are double blinded, the same result shows up But if you wanted to blind it even further, you could do so in various ways. You arent wrong or right. You're both The physical manifestation of the energetic system is, broadly speaking, related to the nervous system and fascial network But its important, actually critical to understand that this is only 1 layer. There are far more than this, and thought the focal point of your conciousness may be limited to this, its far from the whole picture According to my understanding, depending on the tradition either 1.39% or 0.925% Unfortunately it isnt im afraid. Because the picture is much greater than this You brain is not a container of your mind, it is a transformer and transmitter of information coming in, like a step down transformer that filters data and keeps the bandwith of the sense faculties You mind is somatically located around your heart, which is the strongest magnetic field in the body. Very broadly speaking, your mind isn the acquired layers of information, data taken in from the senses filtered down from the brain, distorted by the emotions and desires, which are linked to the magnetic fields of the chest and lower abdomen respectively What your brain does is the other stuff, cognition etc. but mind is not stored there. This is why people with no brain activity have out of body experiences etc, and why when you disrupt certain parts of the brian the mind is impacted, like a traffic jam or car crash But actually how it is impacted is not from the brain, its the transmission to heart field. When people get TBI, they dont lose their memories, the piece of machinery responsible for retriving them is malfunctioning Science just hasnt caught up. It doesnt have the methods. But its done a great job of convincing people it knows if you ever wondered why the major religions talk about the heart so much, hopefully you now have a better understanding why This is why daoists call it the heart -mind, and not the brain-mind It also plays a MAJOR part in the "life flashing before your eyes" at the point of death or an NDE Or, if one engages with esoteric work, once you begin working this middle field, you will experientually understand that the mind is there. You wont need any theoretical explanation, you'll encounter this directly If I was to break down these models for you, and show you some of what Ive seen and know, id highly imagine you yourself would need some therapy , but we'll save that for later Id doubt you understand the full capacity of the hormonal system (ive never seen it discussed publicly) but suffice to say, bizarre is putting it mildly Im sorry, but thats sadly not something for public discussion except to say it defies biology, and you can throw everything you know about ageing out the window while you're at it Unfortunately, given I have a more comprehensive understanding of things I do have to frame it that way Messages need to travel for those signals to go. Its energetic how they do so But was that the case 50 years ago? or even 30. I think you'll find not. Also its more likely than not the antidepressants thrown at them upon first arrival are a factor that is in some cases sustaining the depression (of course in tandem with the envionrment) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-022-01661-0 Not to mention theres a whole raft of lawsuits coming in regards their use and permanent sexual dysfunction Im sure if I asked you to find me those same numbers in a cohort of nuns for example. I think you'll struggle badly Now to get to the wider issue of antidepressant use Yes, its practically doubled over a 10 year period. Therapy isnt fixing this, I am sorry. The NHS has some of the most publicly available therapeutic interventions given it trains PWPs and so forth But its not exactly working. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/capr.12249#:~:text=Aim%2FPurpose,be as high as 43%. You can give as much therapy as you want at people, if the external conditions arent changing, a vast majority will not build enough resiliance to weather the storm If you are comparing whether giving them therapy will build there resiliance up vs removing the causative factors, I think you'll find the latter to be far more beneficial and provide a far greater chance the therapy will then bolster them once said factors have been lifted or at least lightened Flip that around, you'll see increased cohorts dropping out because despite the therapy the causative factors are still there. Unless they build the resiliance, they wont stick at it. This is why i said therapy should not be the first port of call if the external factors can be first changed in any way Now here im sad to say you are being dishonest. I'm sorry, but if you've worked in this field you know that isnt true This is not misinformation nor internet jargon. This is a common line touted by doctors, psychiatrists and clinical psychologists. Ive worked around enough of this and heard it enough times. People didnt pluck this out of the sky. Its a marketing line for pills thats been pushed for a long time now Most of them do have a diagnosis, and Im wondering based on that comment if you realise just how overdiagnosed our society is as a whole? This was one of the reasons I left my post, when working on a project related to pediatric ADHD, so ive seen exactly what they do, and its sadly disgusting (and to children no less) Well, for a start I do not think a psychotherapist shouldt be making a diagnosis for psychiatric conditions, they ae given the diagnosis by a clinician (unless they are also a psychologist or psychiatrist). The generally dont get the training required But ive observed this communication of diagnosis happening multiple times. I dont know what rooms you've been sitting in, but in the ones I have, well, they were very clear on making it clear people were "ill" and needed to learn to live with that illlness Nobody said you couldnt, Im saying it appears to lack a full understanding of the energetics involved. Which isnt so much your issue as much as an issue of the scientific view of things Try explaining how messages go from the brain to the body via the spine without energy. Unfortunately, thats impossible Your entire nervous system is an electrical circut, and your fascial network is both piezoelectric and a semiconductor I revert you back to my earlier comment. For all you see, theres so much more you arent seeing Some of us however can see feel and interact with that Its fully explainable believe it or not , But it does require a mind thats willing to move beyond reductive materialism Of course, given society has been conditioned that way for a long time now, thats beyong the scope of most people But the frameworks exist. I would not speak on things i havent personally verified as true Also, if one is willing to put in the work, can be empirically verified Id happily take you to see one of his students, and personally watch you flip flopping around (as I have seen others) This is very much as real as a slap in the face Much of what you are seeing there is the portions of the energetic "memory" being purged from the body and mind. As mentioned everything is stored in the body, Outcomes would depend on who exactly he was treating there. I know of energy treatments that have ranged from curing mental illness to curing cancer (im not joking when I say that) This kind of thing works down to the level of the cells (and beyond) and Im sympathetic that it may be beyond your understanding, but it is not beyond mine. If you want to understand something about it ask a question and ill respond. Or not, that'll be at the behest of how much you'd like to know I suggest you become a participant in your own experiment and you'll get your own answer ( I already did)

I have no tolerance for Li to be totally honest (thats a discussion beyond the scope of the thread) What i'll say is, if someones cultivating Ling Qi, it opens them up to an enourmous amount of Siddhi and whatnot. This is not subtle at all and is very much manifest Make of that what you will

But there are plenty of double blind RCT's to find online fo NF for yourself to see. You understand this yes? I dont believe its a question for neurosceince. In fact neuroscience is in terms of explanatory power, the field that has the least impact (though its often touted at the most) The mind is not reducable to brain blips. As mentioned earlier its just showing the transformation and transfer of information Where neuroscience can really shine (though it rarely does this) is in larger holisitc studies it can be used as 1 of multiple sources of data to triangulate. This is what the real benefit should be. But if you know anything about research in these fields, they are rarely so thorough, and usually isolate data points and make exaggerate inferential leaps based on these Well thats kind of the point. The bigger question is how does it remember, and even better forget (or let go of) See below for some insight What you are saying here is the sensory input is registered by the mind, But it is done so through an energetic medium. Again the iimages below will help You understand your brain needs energy to take this data in and run it through the transformer that allows us to experience it in a way congruent with the plane of existence we are in You also need to know what the mind is, on some level to get where im coming from Genuine question, but do you know what it is, practically speaking? Absolutely The issue is that the placebo self generates belief, the belief creates a shift in the mind (its not imagined) and the resultant shift is repeated over and over via the operant conditioning (the person feels good, they learn to repeat, its a reward per se) Thats why the chart i posted, you see various things that increase peoples faith in the treatment, and thats what powers placebo really. Placebo wont work unless you believe it will You should understand, theres a literal structure to the mind, its a thing thats visible to people of a certain level of development. Its not at all theoretical. Its just a layer more subtle to what a normal humans eyes are attuned to But theres a mising component here. The body doesnt effect the mind, and the mind doesnt effect the body. The body is manipulated to effect the energetic makeup, and that transfers up to mind. Its also possible to work top down, but thats beyond certain people Its basically why exercise helps with depression so much, If you think about a light and a lightswitch, thats a great comparison. Its not the switch that affects the light, its the energetic medium which connects to two In a similar way, the energetics of the body (Qi in Chinese though) is the bridge between form (body) and formless (mind) Often,, therapy isnt needed to be honest. Its a change of lifestyle, enviornment and perspective (the latter often conditioned by the former, though not exclusively) Mental illnesses (the non psychotic variety) are largely a societal problem due to these things. Its not well addressed, because people never change their enviornment, or their lifestyle As an extreme example, you'd be hard pressed to send someone into a monastery and have them come out a year later with the same issues they went in with Therapy etc, becomes extremely useful when someone cannot (or refuses to) manipulate the variables above. But I do not think it should be first port of call in mild to moderate cases as it does sometimes create the unfortunate perception that something is a disease, and therefore the powelessness arises (though it shouldn't, its more often it does) I cant tell you the amount of times ive hear the "I have a chemical imbalance" line....which quite frankly saddens me I agree with you. Ther meridians as basically an energetic extension of mind in the body. They have a physical component, and energetic component and a spiritual one. Qi is the medium via which they interact. Thats the basis on which acupuncture works Dreams are not exactly as Jung described them, but he did get some of it correct indeed. The simplest way to describe them are reflections of the two aspects of the soul (The Hun and Po in Daoism) The discussion of "source" is well beyond the scope of this But what you should take from the above, is the mind is malleable due to that energetic bridge thats what changes it and likewise, thats how the mind can translate down to the body in the pain situation we spoke earlier The energetic compenent is the force that initiates change under the right conditions Well its not so much the symptoms only approach thats a problem for me, its the disempowerment of patients and the insistence on reductive materialism that puts people into an endless cycle of pills, and often something that never fixes the issue, but at best might treat symptoms At worst, well, thats an entirely different thread. Just to give the above some context. This is what it looks like when the "meridians" and whatnot are being cleared If you really want to have a serious discussion about this, suspend your disbelief for around 15 minutes and watch those videos. It shoudlnt be too hard, given one of the demonstrations took place at a University Hospital in Bratislava in front of a professor and his class

I was just wondering whether you actually knew what it was, or were just using google translate and then reposting it without fully knowing what it is I got my answer though thanks for responding

For a start the research is shoddy because blinding is far easier achieved, yet routinley ignored. The effect is placebo, but its never acknowledged, except in the rigourous studies, and they are a few in a bath of poor ones Yes thats kind of what it is, but how exactly does that work? see below Placebo effects induced by operant conditioning in the cases of neurofeedback. The mechanic in terms of psychopathology is related to interoception https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2020.545945/full The problem is, they dont fully understand something that does go beyond the scientific spectrum That is the nature of the mind, its "shape" how it is formed and reformed (this happens moment to moment) Memory stores somatically, its not in the brain tissue, its in the entire body. Its why it flashes before your eyes when you die. Its not the brain shutting off. Its everything thats been accumulated being reobserved as the senses seal, as no more new "data" can be gathered The brain is simply acting as a step down transformoer to the wider structure. Think of it a a sign the transformer is working. It filters experience, but the mind is elsewhere in the body. Its why I mentioned the human mind is not quantitative, and the neuroscientific markers are not what they think they are Rather, its strongest resonances are around the heart, though the other various things we carry are stored across multiple areas Zifagong, or spontaneous movement is what it looks like when these things are resurfacing or being worked through, which in many ways "reshapes" the mind I cant say too much about the mechanic here (its energetic) , but what I will say is the placebo effect is literally the mind working with itself to change it. Its not an "imagined thing" its very real. And thats the point When i say its placebo, I mean that in a good way. But its not the neurofeedback. So they have the mechanic confused All thats doing is providing one way to train the mind to link whats happening in the body and mind (the whole thoughts feeling emotions etc) People arent seeing the source of their problems, they are seeing a marker of when it occurs and its the interoceptive cue thats the key. They learn to recognize the somatic feelings See here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165032718323723 When people cant verablize, regulate or manage their emotions? You basically get the vast majority of the DSM critera outside of the very serious stuff But they wont explain it to you in this way. The reason why is you begin to realise its not the neurofeedback at all causing the improvement. In fact its something else entirely My problem is whats mentioned earlier, its the disempowerment and dependancy placed on external sources, when the reality is its self generated, but the "science" wants one to think its some external thing When you think about that long list of other things I posted that boost placebo, this will make more sense given how people view "science" in an almost religious fashion in todays world

You're spot on, nothing at all worse. Only the obscuraction of a mechanic Interesting. It seems you are intent on fast forwarding the point I made about discussing some of the mechanics mentioned above https://academic.oup.com/book/54240/chapter/422453171 Theres something very very important here that I hope you'll see Discussion as to the less observable mechanics will involve moving beyond science im afraid

I suppose ive been called worse I just walked away. I wouldnt fight a losing battle to be honest. I have a friend who works in the field for nearly 20 years now, and is without a promotion, as he refuses to churn out nonsense. Yet his colleagues all have done so, some of whom have reached he rank of professor, and bucketloads of consultancy and funding He remains at a basic level, but wont budge on his ethics Ive just seen some very nasty things. Some well intentioned people, but some very nefarious ones too Allow me to recount a story I was being considered for a high paying role in academic integrity at one point, as I've always championed it to students and staff. Weirdly, I have an ability to spot plagiarism without the need for a virtual means (I have an almost fully eiditic memory, it only fails in very specific conditions) so i could recall the patterns in circa 500 students papers if need be When i told the hiring committee I was more concerned about the behaviour of the academics, and Id be coming down hard on them. The board went completely silent, and chose an entirely underqualified candidate who only mentioned pursing students further, and in their outlined document for their plan going forward, academics behavior and research integrity on behalf of faculty was not mentioned, once. It speaks to exactly the point im making. These are not honest people, and the cracks are starting to show https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/feb/03/the-situation-has-become-appalling-fake-scientific-papers-push-research-credibility-to-crisis-point Its got to the point where the corrupt is the norm, and the honest true workers are slim to none (Thats not an exaggeration) I would say to you, the mechanic of why this is so useful in my opinion boils down to this https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-024-03492-6#Sec6 If you consider what I said about disempowering patients, now you get to see the result of why I have an issue with the "science" of it. They are doing this on purpose I dont think the "placebo" is something to be snuffed at, at all. Completely the opposite in fact. It is the answer to many of the so called "issues" in psychopathology. We've just given the term a bad rap and wrongly so We could discuss the mechanic of this if you wish? , but it involves moving outside the realms of "science" into contemplative/meditative practice (which doesnt seem to be a problem for you given what you've mentioned Im glad to hear that Its a hard thing to see past Sure Likewise _/|\_

Thats not entirely true Blinding is common in behavioural research. They struggle with double blinding specifically in psychotherapy, but ill discuss that below It is a little more complex to blind, but is rarely if ever beyond the ability of the research team. Its often counterintuitive to their agenda in many cases though It is not done by terrible researchers who are more interested in publishing multiple papers than actually doing high quality research. This is a byproduct of the "publish or perish culture" in academia This is an interesting little study https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychiatry/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2021.644825/full Heres a list of factors often used to boost placebo Placebo is often not controlled for properly in any of the bodies of evidence supporting them. Its a matter consistently called out in the field, but never actually addressed, for the same reason mentioned above One cannot really double blind practically, but its not hard to blind the patient, and thats rarely done. (Thats also not the case for neurofeedback) Most often, baby is thrown out with the bathwater, which I take issue with Curiously, interesting things happen when placebo elements are introduced https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7912085/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165032720326938 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12144-022-04206-4 And you see this starting to emerge. Placebo boosts talk therapy effects. But thats only part of the story in reality The bigger part, and why i posted that nice little study above, is to pose a question to you How many studies account for boosted placebo effects via the variables mentioned in that chart i posted? The answer? Practically, none (I mean its very rare) So you end up in a situation where in many cases you cannot identify the degree to which the therapy vs the factors above are influencing the result This is psychology/psychiatry in a nutshell. A Complete Mess Its rife with so many terrible studies and white noise, it makes it impossible to discern what is really helpful. This is also where the opportunity lies for those who wish to take advantage of that ambiguity And oh boy, do they take full advantage Thats before we discuss the lack of any true unification amongst the subsections, the replication problem and the lack of conceptual and methodological alignment And heres the kicker. Im putting this in caps so it stands out IM NOT AGAINST TALK THERAPY OR NEUROFEEDBACK. I ACTUALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM IN MANY CASES (SHOCKING) I have serious issues with the shoddy research being done to push them as a medical intervention, and also, the fact that because so many of the true casual mechanics go overlooked, they put people in a chronic state of disempowerment and dependance, and that also has it often combined with more pills and things that equally, dont do what they are stated to And then, we arrive at the current mess we are in: Pathologizing the entire human condition as a means to create profit streams, and in many cases actually causing serious harm I dont understestimate the placebo as a therapeutic means. Quite the opposite in fact Placebo in neurofeedback is easily achieved, because the unique feature is one that can be manipulated as such Educated and trained? If they cannot explain that the evidence base on neurofeedback in psychopathology is flawed, I'd personally question the importance of that I dont hold any weight to the words "educated and trained" to be honest. I did in my younger years. Times the best teacher though I am more interested in a persons discernment faculties and willingness to separate themselves from that which will further their own personal ambitions. Its rare but glaringly obvious when you see it in an individual Theres at least one other person on this board who works at a world class medical institution, and we often discuss the levels of complete absurdity on display. I dont know if you are privvy to this? ( if not, its understandable) , but I am, and have been for a long time if you want to delve into talk therapy/neurofeedback maybe open a thread on that? Ill happily post in that, but lets not hijack this thread by crossing wires yes?

Huh kraken, thats a new one Before I begin my friend Please dont take my words as in any way aggressive in any shape or form any sense of frustration is at the industry, government entites and academia so we are clear. Its a touchy topic, so you may rest assured its nothing personal Right, let me show you how a person who has no financial incentive and only cares about the truth but knows how to analzye these studies does it So, despite the fact I only linked the NYT article for the purposes of accesibility to the average reader, allow me to show you the most "modern take" https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychiatry/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2024.1323485/full So They say its effective in this, but when you look a little deeper thats not the case, is it For a start, lets take a look at the Risk of bias assessment Pay specific attention to the blinding of participants and personell, it is basically nonexisitent And if you didnt know, one of the reasons for employing blinding is to control for placebo, which none, except for one of the studies did They also are not up to par on other metrics either, see the graph here Now that we've already establised these studies cant account for placebo, and this is the latest data, you can safely say the most up to date data STILL doesnt show it what it claims to show It didnt even pass the basic litmus test...and this is supposed to be gold standard RCT systematic review/ meta analysis stuff (several other metrics are also questionable) However, theres a far more nefarious detail here So who exactly are GrayMatters Health? https://www.graymatters-health.com/ Oh, FDA approved, how convienent eh? WAIT A SECOND OH LOOK AT THAT, HERE THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO ARTIFICIALLY MANUFACTURE AN EVIDENCE BASE FOR THEIR TREATMENT BY PAYING RESEARCHERS TO DO A REVIEW THAT ON A SURFACE LEVEL LOOKS FINE, BUT FALLS APART UNDER SCRUTINY AND LOOK AT THAT, THE SAME COMPANY MENTIONED IN YOUR ARTICLE TOO...AHH HOW CONVIENENT RIGHT? Discussing the same thing, off the same poor shoddy research that doesnt even account for the same limitations that have been existing in this same field since research started being done on the topic Because they know that when the non funded research is done, and done properly including double blind, then the results are always clear, its the placebo effect But its a nice profit stream, so it wont be stopping any time soon Academia, private corporations and the FDA have been in bed together for a long time my friend, you just arent privvy to it, and thats fine, most outsiders are not. I liken it to cerberus, a three headed dog I spent well over a decade carving out a career in this area of research (Psychiatric illness with a neurosceintific approach), Only to walk away from it all, because I couldn' t stomach the ethics of what was happening behind closed doors. I could barely even stomach teaching anymore and had to switch disciplines, and I even ended up walking away from that too, disgusted at what "the science" has in store the public And let me be even clearer, now that the SSRI sham is almost up, and psychedelics are about to take center stage, you're about to see all new kinds of disgusting As if chemically removing someones sexual functionality wasnt enough... (And yes, its often permanent, far more than reported) https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/fda-sued-by-scientist-urging-sexual-side-effects-warning-widely-used-depression-2024-05-20/ https://www.vanguardngr.com/2024/06/doctors-warning-antidepressants-can-permanently-destroy-your-sex-life/ I mean this in the most respectful way, but you are talking to someone who knows a lot about this field, more than most people, and unlike the other people more concerned with employment, status, prestige and income, I couldnt care less about any of it Im just telling the truth. Believe me when I tell you, I take no joy or glee in telling you this. It's cost me more than just a career. But some things, like moral values and truth are more important

Im not running into al types of definitions, Im pointing out the issues with the google translate version of it, and pointing it out to you, because what you described was "aura", though the other translation with the same character "reiki" which japanese for spiritual energy is more accurate (though still not entirely accurate) I know what it is, and how to cultivate it I was trying to ascertain whether you did There was a lesson in there for you CD, im not sure you understand what it is, but Im sure you will see what I mean if you think about it for a while

Ah see, I had a feeling you would say that. Heres an important distinction for you to think about, that you might appreciate. Thats not actually what Ling is, but you arent exactly wrong either When you look at this under google translate, this is what it shows up as However, thats not the entire case What Ling really is, is an expression of the more "evolved" form of spirit If one touches Ling Shen (magical spirit manifest through the human mind) it allows us to cultivates Ling Qi , then it can give rise to a huge range of Siddhi, Two of these are things you mentioned, either things like visible light coming off the person ,or indeed a strong feeling that can create all manner of effects in anyone within that field of influence (as you mentioned felt but not seen) So in this case, the translation isnt referring to the thing itself (The more esoteric aspects of spirit) rather its referring to one of its manifestations (in the case probably the most famous one) I thought this was important to state, because the translation given by google isnt entirely accurate. there is is showing the effect Oddly enough, its the same force real Reiki practitioners harness (though that comes with many problems). Here google is translating it as Reiki 霊気 This is a better translation, as Reiki is the art of working with Ling Qi Rei = Spiritual KI = Energy I still dont think its exactly a like for like translation, but its a much more representative version of it You might also enjoy the discussion here https://ihreiki.com/reiki_info/reiki_history/reiki-meaning-of-the-word/?v=d2cb7bbc0d23 Hopefully what I am saying makes sense? I think this is important because google translate is notorious for this kind of thing

Something like this?

Now @Antares Forget all your neidan training, You been corrected, and humbled by one who Knows how to read chinese... @ChiDragon would you care to explain what Ling Qi 靈氣 is, and how to cultivate it?

I'm well aware of the neurofeedback literature. I spent long enough hooking people up to neuroimaging equipment to know the ins and outs of it, and before that, had to drove through multitudes of papers and weighting up the pros and cons of each one with a strict critera, followed by the normal ROB2 and GRADE protocols What exactly do you think this proves in relation to the human mind not being quantitative? Interesting even the mainstreamers know what to make of it (shocking, normally they'd be pushing this kind of thing) https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/12/well/mind/neurofeedback-therapy-mental-health.html#:~:text=However%2C neurofeedback is still not,more effective than a placebo. Heres the highlghts I suggest if you're going to claim the efficacy of something you should look at the overall knowledge base itself and analyse it, rather than taking others words for it (you should also look into the glaring conceptual and methodological failings) Its placebo, and that totally fine, but we should be clear on that

@damdao

i agree with you. The problems of overspending and overprinting are inbuilt though Nice simple explanation that covers some of the main bits without bogging one down Also, this video is old, the scam has since worsened Technically speaking, in 2020, required reserve ratios against net transaction deposits were reduced to 0% for all banks, basically removing the reserve requirements altogether

There is no "addressing debt" unfortunately It is perpetual as as per fractional reserve banking (as is inflation)

In my opinion, I find the rationality ship sailed some time ago When you get to a point of "thats not what those words mean (though in plain English) THIS is what they mean (insert unusual soliloquy here) It, at that stage has passed the horizion, and is clearly out of sight

The answers are in the diagram and underlying Sutta passage I assume someone of such mastery as yourself needs no explanation of how this applies and would definately not have trouble with Pratītyasamutpāda ?

Removes ignorance Ends suffering Basically Ignorance

The point about shooting the messenger is very clear This is sometimes related to the sunken cost fallacy. Its understandable though, I think we've all found ourselves there at one time or another if someone were driving a long distance and after travelling for quite some time stopped and asked for directions from people with practical experience of the journey, only to find out they've been headed in the wrong direction, well thats not a nice thing to hear An individual still unable to see past the veil of ignorance at this point, continues on the same trajectory in spite of this revelation

Given the entire currency system is based on a complete and utter scam, its hard to take anything related to it seriously to be honest

Agreed. The signs of it are normally quite clear

Impressive...