Shadow_self

DDJ verse 48, practically speaking is discussing the practice of Zuowang 坐忘 ,better known as Sitting and Forgetting The reason it is discussed in this terms is the human mind is a byproduct of gatherings, So to get past it, and indeed be rid of it (the acquired mind of course) one needs to "forget" Theres a whole long winded explanation around the various things needed to do so, but ill give an overlly simple explanation without geting into it One needs to stop the mind "doing" ie the accumulation of well, mind stuff Reversing the senses is important here. This is a literal reversal, with no room for interpretation from the position im discussing it. The senses are what allow the mind to accumulate more, once they are sealed and reversed, it only has whats already there So before you can reduce, you must first cease accumulation, and then you can get to the reducation to reach wu wei This is the general way in which Zuowang works, the forgetting is the reduction mentioned Apologies, but I cant elaborate further without getting into things I shouldnt discuss publicly, but that should be enough to give a little context Hopefully that helps shed some light on the practice side of things

You seem to be stuggling, and in need of some help. Based on that. I will make a recommendation to you, and explain the rationale based on all of your previous postings You should try to cease all mental activity related to this topic, and anything energetic also. The thing that you should do right now is lots of physical , tangible work, like exercise, opening and stretching, walks in nature and so forth (you say you cant walk, more on this below) . Eat plain, simple food and if you need to do a little bit of something to relax yourself, natural breathing with a slight pause on the exhale, and no tension whatsover (you need to just let the breath stop, dont tense any muscles anywhere) keep that pause for about 3-5 seconds. Around 10-15 minutes, no more. You can get an app to program this, and theres loads of sites that discuss this, it is a very common suggestion. Here is the rationale "Possession" is a heavily loaded word, with far too much baggage. The reality is that the various phenomena we associate with it has two mechanisms of action, one is an externally based thing, wheras the other is internally based. I have reason to believe that your case is the latter. Though we do see various overlapping things happening ie, similar symptoms, there are different underlying things at play It is a long discussion as to whats actually going on here, however the reason why the advice you see above is helpful, is pretty simple. Your energetic body is linked into the mental body, and the mental body is where the distortions are most evident in your case (and believe it or not, this is how the "internal" mechanic mentioned above operates). Due to this, trying to do anything at the level of "mind" will be very difficult. It is best avioded. Moreover, trying to work directly with the enegetic, will most likely reinforce the quality of the mind, so thats another option that is likely to end poorly. The suggestion above, seeks to remove one from the mental/energetic, and instead create change at the physical level. This translates to the energetic body, which in turn will push up into the mental body (where much of this appears to be taking place). This type of change takes quite some time, so be prepared to put months into this. What can you do from a "mental perspective" ? Two things really, use willpower and discpline to stick to the above mentioned You might of course discount the above, but let me explain something else, related to the chance it is an external based phenomeona (I dont know you, so im not going to discount you, im just giving you a viewpoint based on the information given) Things in the external are attracted to energy. it is like a lightbulb to them. The mental activtiy of one does not only redirect energy upward, it also sends it to a point where it leakes out far easier (the discussion here is long too). The issue with that is, now such things have a reason to appear and, indeed thrive in situations where they can get a free meal So either way, you are going to benefit from the above. Youve nothing to lose in that respect You might be asking as a final gesture, well who am I to speak on such things? Well, nobody really, though you did mention this I (unfortunately) happen to be able to see, feel and in some cases, interact with said "entities". Not some gift or anything, just something that arose as a byproduct of a congenital thing plius internal work. Its honestly, more annoying than anything else Its not something im open to delving into, beyond the fact that there are members of this site, who have seen video of that, and would most likely, if I asked them attest to it (though it'd probably be better if they didnt) That being said, I mention this only as I do have some experiential understanding of them (it is not theoretical or imagination) I am not personally convinced they would take away your ability to walk, and I think something else is at play here. My assumption (and it is just that) is indeed as @Gerard mentioned. Its most likely blockages/imbalances, and unsuprisingly, these almost always arise from mental distortions translating down into the enegetic which manifest physically. You have also disempowered yourself as a result of the shifting locus of control, which could make things far worse In any event, my parting advice is to start by getting outside, getting out of your head, and into your body, even if you have to lie on a blanket in the park and stretch , be sure to ,do that. If you cant walk? I then suggest you get crutches to help you, or if completely immobile, a wheelchair and really push yourself to get outside, and back to walking, even if its with a crutch or stick. Moreover, spend time with family, friends and loved ones. Do not isolate yourself The curative factor here, will be largely to do with how disciplined you are in mentally separating yourself from the narrative, and adhering to the above protocol Of course, you are welcome to dismiss everything mentioned above. I dont mind. I do sincerley wish healing for you (Hence why I posted this) Best of luck

Your comment signalled an oversight of sorts The issue isnt entirely one of a lack of dialectical thought per se. Rather, it is due to a clear demonstratable lack of intellectual honesty

The problem here is assuming there is an argument to begin with. You mistake the words of a person of claimed "logic and coherence" with that of someone with a clear fallacious, biased perspective. Put another way, a (decent) argument/debate requires a logical basis from which to proceed. Dipping in and out of frameworks and cherry picking that which suits ones own mental distortions is not a good way to form an argument. Its complete nonsense Case in point Nirvana = A central concept derived from a specific framework (Buddhism) Dependant Origination = The underlying basis of the ENTIRE framework Yes, why anyone entertained this is beyond me This is the argument of someone who's biases, fallacies and mental distortions are obscuring even the most basic understanding of what these things actually mean. In other words, someones just looking for an argument to try and reinforce their own false ideas, probably due to some deep unhappiness The ad hominems are just a representation of the insecurities attached to the shaky belief system

Well i did read it, and pointed out the most glaring holes available for all to see You've effectively thrown a rather large tantrum because of it. How logical and coherent Should you be so certain and well versed, your reaction would be different Is your belief in your "ontology" so insecure that the you need turn to behaving like that? . I suggest the anapanasati again. It will help

Well actually I did. Ill explain again below Also, well done on beginning the ad hominems, so much for logic... You're giving others a masterclass in how to demonstrate a complete lack of it Conclusions dont need to be jumped to Your words demonstrate you havent a notion of what you are talking about Your ontology needs revision, badly So now we are on to Yin Yang...sigh. That ontology you think is so strong, isnt only misaligned with Buddism, its misaligned with Daoism too. Funny how you try to appropriate certain aspects of them in that "ontology" and yet exclude the most basic principles You only need to have a rudimentary understanding of Buddhism to know nobody is chasing perpetual bliss But again you lack that, so you are forgiven Allow me to prove my point What gives rise to pleasure and pain? So are things like Nirvana, Yin Yang etc. Somehow they magically do exist in your vocabulary? More ad hominems Before you try to argue against something, you need to understand it You've demonstrated nothing except a lack of even the most basic understanding of Buddhism I did, I was just brief. I was pointing to out faulty notion of everything being perpetually moving between Yin and Yang But allow me to again according to the models you invoked, seeing as you are crying about concepts not existing when they refute your illogical statements You brought up things moving between Yin and Yang, and used pleasure and pain as examples The diagram above shows that Taiji is the movement that stirs potential in Dao which gives birth to both Yin and Yang within the canvas of Wuji In other words, there is something which sits beyond Yin and Yang If you are going to make some deranged Frankenstein of an ontology, better to understand the things you are including (and excluding) Im not trying to fool anyone. Im telling you that your understanding of what is meant by that is useless Buddhists do not seek pleasure, that is an entrapment, and nonsense There are several parts of the journey that involve monumentous bliss arising If your mind latches onto it, not only do you get booted out of state you enter into, you lose a lot of certain substances... It is temporary and to be ignored as one progresses Piti and Sukha both have their own meaning...and are hallmarks of first jhana They both cease, and this is well documented in the literature you claim to have read, and yet have demonstrated nothing except a complete lack of understanding of it No I am not trying to redefine anything https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/joy Is is a feeling Feelings cease on the road to the endpoint Keep going, and we will keep arriving back here. Yep, Well iif feelings cease long before said point is reached, then it makes no sense to categorise the endpoint as the one extreme perpetually Again this is a gross misunderstanding of the concept So please educate yourself on the most basic fundamentals of reaching said state before you try to refute it Please lets not go there. At this point, Id rather let you continue to believe some kundalini experience is going to kill you (your own words) that correct you on the matter No point in challenging another shaky mental model. Im sure this will be enough for one day Ah the ad hominems, it is always a fun time when someone claims to be logical, and then goes down this road You do realise this demonstrates just how illogical you are? Also, Im sure the mods are going to love you... Oh dont worry, I dont do this for just anyone. This is especially for you, as I can see you are struggling and I dont want to overwhelm you... You clearly have enough going on without me burdening you with long drawn out discussion, so I'm being brief for a reason

See below No, ive just been around so many supposedly "smart people" long enough to know it when i see a person who's presents an argument that is so tangled up in their own mental knots, they cannot see a rather obvious truth sitting in front of them Happens ALL the time This is no different Im not sure logic is on your side here, making claims that Nirvana is a scam, without a proper foundation in Buddhist philosophy and practice More on this below I think ive already stated the problem. You dont understand the concepts begind the argument you are attempting to make Im not plucking anything, Im stating an observation based on your words Dependant origination explains causality Dependant origination is the focal point of your issue An understanding of Dependant origination is something lacking in the presentation of said "hypothesis" So thats how we arrived here Alrght then... I guess you wont mind me pointing out the logical fallacies and bias ill do one of each per post if you like...otherwise this would be a bit long winded Lets start with the Black or white fallacy - Suggesting there is a zero sum between polarities (pleasure and pain as example) Your problem is one of your understanding. As per your own words Pointing to the text I made reference to So feelings cease, and they arent the last thing to go either (Which is ironic, because Nibbāna would be far beyond where they cease) Nibbāna, as they refer to it, has nothing to do with bliss in the sense that you understand it Your concept of it (amongst other things) is very distorted So I think we are done with that now. That aspect of your argument is refuted, and redundant. Unless of course you want to move the goalposts (engaging in another logical fallacy) to redefine the word feelings, or Nirvana And you would be incorrect in that assertion. I speak from experience on that matter with certainy (and insight, oddly enough) But feel free to cling to it if it makes you comfortable, I'm wont judge nor do I want you take my word for it.... Thats why i linked you to a practice that might actually help you understand, as opposed to a load of mental flip flopping. And here we arrive at the cognitive bias, all the above argument is wrapped up in. The illusion of explanatory depth. You think you know more about this than you actually do

The answer to your conceptual question is contained within that text...that is related to dependant origination The problem is you dont want to engage the material as you think you understand it and have already disregarded it You really dont, at all. On examination, your argument is one that is overintellectualised. Thats fine if you want to remain in that mindset However overly long defensive discourses that lead you no further to your answers arent helping you Are you seeking truth, or affirmation? The latter is the projection from your statements To summarize Your problem is one of causality, and specifically an inability to come to a true understanding of it. Work harder in this regard if understanding is what you seek Here's the practical aspect that would aid you However, before that, I suggest a daily dose of anapanasati. Some of the responses suggest to me it would benefit you, Far more than neigong I might add

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn12/sn12.002.than.html Had the OP listened to me instead, the answer to his question is contained within HIs lack of understanding regards the process is less conceptual and moreso experiential

See below What @kakapo is referring to, some of it was actually quite literal its probably long pitted now, or removed, so not really worth a long discussion Easy benchmark of how much weight you should give said individuals claims and statements though in my opinion.

Engage with the Paticca-Samuppada-Vibhanga Sutta And read it over and over with your question in mind. Take notes Im pretty sure you'll get a far more fruitful conclusion than asking people with varying belief systems

A discussion regards the ens vegetalis, and the related conceptual framework might be useful in that regard

Personally I see little utility in translations outside of a practice guided by a teacher These texts are all confirmatory, never instructional For example...if we were to talk about Kan and Li practice, I have seen that specific author (FP) speak at length about it (with some errors too i might add) and yet never actually tell anyone how to do it Another issue is, regards neidan, the terms are recycled at different stages in practice. The same term might be used twice, but refer to something else This can cause a great deal of confusion

Aha...these two. I recall there were also accounts of lengthy battles with millenia old Naga snake demons (which were won, apparently) https://ancientmasters.org/library/other-worlds You think so? Daniel, You misunderstand They dont do lightning They do FIREBALLS

I suppose we can disregard it...if we could talk about this instead Do you feel better about discussing this? So lets talk about the upposed real life superman at least Where are they?

Sorry, curiousity is getting the better of me here... The apparent magical properties of the metal warrant further explanation

What specifically do people believe about copper that others should be weary of?

Id suggest perhaps stopping that You cannot fill something you do not have. The dantien needs to be reconsolidated as it disperses after puberty for various reasons that would be a rather lengthy discussion The MCO...to use an analogy, you must dig the trench before the water will flow through it. This is again a process the requires time and effort You might want to start by laying out clearly what it is you are looking for Qigong? Thats easily found Neigong? There is a few people teaching that publicly. Its probably a case of what specifically you are aiming for here Neidan? Only one based on observation The latter also requires a fair degree of competence in the former to even approach it. So for most people its just neidan prep for a fair portion of time

Im a firm believer in the more you have, the more you have to get depressed/anxious/sad/distracted/ insert random pathologization of the human condition here A vast majority of "psychiatry" and indeed "psychology" is complete and utter crap. I can say that definitively, and would gladly debate the topic with anyone. The sooner people realize that the modern medical paradigms they worship are (generally speaking) little more than business models designed to retain customers, the better That doesnt mean there arent a few good souls who genuinely try to help folk. There are always good people Unfortunately they are more often than not trapped within the aforementioend system

Ask the the friend of Bob lazar... I think he's mexican, so you'll need a translator too by the way Better make sure he's telling you the truth as well, lest you all either waste you time (likely) or hurt yourselves (perhaps likely) Report all results back here so we too can take your third hand testimony

To be clear someone said someone told one person in one language, who told another person in English, who then told everyone else...so again, its not even second hand, it is third hand. My point being its important to be consitent here. One should hold themselves to the same standard they hold others I have no problem accepting testimony where it is warranted...and clearly, from your own words, you dont either. We agree then. Curiously, to move on from this, is that an unpopular opinion??? That one should hold themselves to the same standard they hold others?

In other words, you have that based on an anecdote someone else told you Glad we cleared it up...that was all I asked you No need to continue and try to deflect the point elsewhere

So no then... Interesting you dont hold yourself to the same standard as you hold others to Theres a point of reflection here for you

Enlightened master? Really?

Might be of interest to you, Nathan Brine had a few things to say about the secret of the golden flower here Discussion about said text begins around the 23:25 mark