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So you are saying the earth does not have a Qi field then? Last probe I promise

Im not interested in the "evidence" per se, dont worry I already know folk with said Dantien Just pointing out something that you may have overlooked

FYI for anyone who doesnt know what I am talking about, Im talking about this There is one thing though, well two actually #1 They wont need to testify to anything because their report will be the findings of an MRI, and thats pretty much their confirmed professional account of what is on the scan right? . That is really more or less testimony in and of itself right? Accompanied by the scan itself, you pretty much have what you need #2 They don't know what they are looking for, and so, Im fairly sure that they'll be sending you to other doctors if they find a rather large unknown mass in your abdomen. It isnt their career that is under threat as a result of the findings You must understand, asking someone to confirm something paranormal = career suicide in academia Asking someone to perform an MRI scan because of a concerning pressure in your stomach = Their actual job to investigate All you guys really have to do is go to somewhere that'll give you the report and the scan, which is something you can walk in and get the same day in the UK at least. Once the report is signed, thats your medical information, not theirs, and they cannot really sue you because you didnt do anything except release your own medical report. I mean im not suggesting you go disseminating the results to the world or try to get it broadcast on the news or anything. Really, I'm not Just its kind of clear to me that this is probably the easiest way for any of you to get something close to what you are seeking. It'd certainly quieten the naysayers up at least (if thats something you all want). For a relatively small fee too I might add It is actually reproducible too, because you can always just follow up to another clinic and repeat it, with a different medical professional, which would actually strengthen the result. Im quite surprised, given the lengths you've went to, you didnt think of doing this sooner.

As much a question as a suggestion to be honest I assume that given that you have all been training in Mo Pai, someone has reached this degree of development? Because, if so, I think it would be really easy to put questions to bed doubts

I agree A good litmus test of that would be whether the physical aspects of the Lower Dan Tien were formed Dont you think that would be far harder to fake?

It is a gaseous substance emitted from the earth. Interesting Can you put some into a canister and send it to me for analysis in that case? Genuine request

Interesting What does Di Qi 地氣 mean?

Academics will rarely stick their neck out for you. They are often rather fear based folk (sorry to anyone who is an academic but it is true). Incase anyone thinks this claim is unfounded I could provide a lot of evidence across multiple fields. Most are more concerned with the promotion and the paycheck than doing their job correctly (where uncovering truth is concerned) I am going to tell you now the vast majority of them are dishonest (In many ways, from manipulation of figures to all sorts) and a large portion of the remainder are simply too afraid to touch such a topic. There is a very big vested interest in keeping the materialistic worldview going. The very few I do know that are willing to, have already been at loggerheads and been booted from certain universities for touching stuff far tamer than this. Granted some are in other far lower ranked places since this, but they were seriously reprimanded for their actions. That being said, there are too other people who aren't privy to the bureaucracy of "big academia" . It might be the case you have not looked in the right places To what end if not that, curiously? Just to see where it goes I'd be curious to know, have any of you actually went for an MRI scan? No academic would be needed for that, you can book them yourselves and go right ahead, and come out with the images and a report Im pretty sure in John's video, he had a very visible dantien Something to consider....

Im just curious why thats not been done up to this point. I mean why go to all that trouble? If this is the burden of proof expected to undertake something for them, isnt that the burden of proof that should be provided? Mo Pai is rather odd. Ive seen some of the practices near replicated in Tenaga Dalam, on more than one occasion Im not sure what the end of the road is for them to be honest. Seems they are concerned with breaking the transmigration cycle, but Im not sure there is any evidence of Mo Pai doing that.

Rather curious western esoteric belief The mandrake drawings we see everywhere arent without their background After all, Paracelus's ens vegetalis, is just another name for the etheric body Just thought id drop that in for fun

Seems like an awful lot of effort. You guys seem to have a very clear definition of what constitutes proof Because I know it is your thing, why not ask a few scientists and doctors to catch the thing on video, then present that. If a person was of a like mind, they'd probably come to you. Seems like it saves you all a bunch of money, time and effort? Personally, I dont find the electrical thing a good measure. I think I explained why earlier. The effect isnt always whats faked, sometimes it is the cause. And that is far more difficult to capture How would you say, convince someone who said that? (Dont worry im not trolling you, just curious)

So the earth doesn't have a qi field then? Is this the stance you are taking?

I appreciate the tolerance I'm more curious why you would fly to someone to do a demonstration in the first place? Are you trying to lead by example here or what?

This would be interesting to tease out , but would drag the thread too far off topic. Interesting comment though I agree, that light they are talking about is something else. I was more making the point that imperceptible things can still have a material substance, and rather, it is the limitations of the sense faculties, not the quality of the "thing" that is the issue However Im not sure that I agree with the idea that qi is devoid of substance or imperceptible. But i do understand where you are coming from regards the "effect" line of thought. Agreed Are you saying then, there is no Qi in a mountain? Or just a brick? Not sure I understand this comment, perhaps you can elaborate?

@Taoist Texts Here you go friend, pay close attention for the light show Disclaimer: For all those who feel the need for a certain level of nonqualified authorities to verify any claims, I believe that a team of medical doctors and scientists were present during this demonstration and did their best to rule out fraud. They have provided video evidence for you, free from their own cognitive distortions, selective memory and biases, and sincerely hope it helps Unfortunately, they were obliterated soon after this as they asked for a repeat demo, so they didnt make it. Despite that. these remnants of the footage still exists Seek out this man at your own risk...

And is this phenomena cause or effect? Hold that thought... Are you sure not everyone can see it? Id hazard a guess everyone has the potential to, but few ever reach it. If you've ever seen such phenomena, like an "aura", you'd probably very quickly come to realize it is more akin to the former description of "material" that you put above. Humans do in fact glow, its just not within the spectrum of the human eye under normal conditions for the average person https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0006256 Ive personally seen this and more. I'm also fairly well trained in psychophysics and neuroimaging. I can assure you this much. It is no hallucination if you start to perceive this things Bio energetic only?

I think the point he was making is that the immaterial can impact the material and vice versa. Moreover, to add to that, the medium through which it does so is energetic Interesting, what do you think qi is? My understanding is as @freeform described it

Perhaps you see how the two prior statements create a rather puzzling logic ? If Qi doesn't exist in western science, then what use is being an engineer?

Perhaps abstract for someone who has not experienced such things? Im not making that accusation here, just trying to categorize for who the term abstract may apply Sure no problem Accumulating an abundance of Qi can help improve the health of your body at the physical level, and it can also help carry you across to spirit, at which point you can start to work with karmic seeds that dictate how the transmigration cycle plays out So the point is, If you think about the physical body at one end of a polarity and spirit at the other, Qi bridges the gap Does that help? There's a rather good reason I have to choose not to open that can of worms here I do apologize. I find the whole attraction to the electromagnetic stuff kind of childish if I'm being brutally honest. I know people have taken my words insultingly, even when they are not in the past so let me explain what I mean and hopefully nobody will take it that way When you first encounter this stuff, we could call ourselves an infant/child, It is all new and so it tends to all be very wonderous and fantastical. However, if doors start to open for you and you meet a few practitioners, you tend to see that actually, this stuff isn't as weird and rare as you think, a lot of it is just hush hush to be honest. Once you have any real experiences at all (be it with yourself or others) you soon feel rather acclimatised, and the "wonder" fades fast You soon start to grow out of that phase and really, you don't react to such things. No longer a child, but an adult Ill say one thing. Anything that surprised me is not related to the level of Qi, it is at the level of Shen.

On the point of good and bad, I do agree Depending on the sensations imo, they can be helpful or harmful (or both) Zifagong is a good example Once it gets going it can be rather exciting to see "oh cool, this **** is working" At the same time, if you are practicing to experience zifagong, you're just creating more layers and clinging in your mind, and really its not going to get to do the work it needs to

Is it immaterial? Or is it that which sits between material and immaterial, and thus bridges the gap Something to think about

FYI @kakapo dont feel the need to respond I've no intention of a back and forward. Been there bought the T-shirt with the other guy. Water under the bridge I just think it extremely odd you come here claiming these things, apparently being a champion of truth (which I do respect to an extent) but then telling people, no, we wont tell you who we caught cheating, as it will cause problems. You'd make a far better case for yourself stating the "facts" and letting people derive their own conclusions However I digress Enjoy the forum, perhaps try speaking to a few different people and you might be surprised what doors open

See below.. The person you offered 10k to was either Jiang or Wu, I forget which one now. I think it was the latter but cannot remember Small change to them however... As for the "famous person" claiming similar abilities on this forum. There are only two people here who claim the "electric qi emission skill, one isn't a teacher, and I could bet my life he'd not pander to your requests, the other, you've stated you apparently don't even know. So that's all a bit suspicious.... Moreover, given the fact you guys need doctors and scientists present for these things, I assume it was a full fledged team of doctors and scientists who discovered this device after their rigorous investigation correct? Otherwise, you'd have no proof such fakery took place? Unless of course there's a double standard here? Well , this is the not legit systems. If you have a suggestion who is not legit, then I think the mods (and members) would be rather pleased Or Perhaps, the issue is rather, you don't have the evidence of fraudulent activity in equal proportion to what your group would expect is the minimum standard for legitimate activity, and so, at the risk of asking people to accept your personal testimony (because that's a sin apparently) you are refusing to say anything So you've got what you want, and you now don't know how to use it? Irony is a strange one indeed At no point has it ever registered with you that you probably did come across a few legitimate ones who simply don't want you as their students due to the attitudes? It is more amazing that you all have spent the bones of 15 years chasing this now and still not seen the issue behind why you cannot find someone to give you what you want Lets say a teacher gave you what you wanted, demo'd all this stuff for you guys, 100% as you wished What exactly do they get from all of this?

Oh, I thought I mentioned this? They can use outside means Like I said, im not going to get into specifics or name lots of names. Here is just one way that the effect can be replicated, but the cause is different https://www.neiqigongjiaoshiandrea.com/method FYI I am not calling the teacher a fake or this or that. So anyone before you consider that or you try to go there, please do not @Taoist Texts you asked for an alternative way in which Fa Qi could be faked, here you go. This can replicate the effect without actually having the same cause As far as I am concerned this is a fake method, for the reasons mentioned above Also there are others too... And for this reason, an LED test is a pretty useless indicator of a valid system, as is anything with a multimeter or similar. In fact, it is pointless

What would you like me to tell you more about? You'd need to be more specific