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No you arent http://www.laoziacademy.com/about/master-dongyangs-profile/ There's your teachers teacher Im sparing you the embarrasment of posting your own teachers words But as for Mr Tiktok Hes a lot older and a lot greyer now Di Xian, yeah right

And neither the Tiktok star not "special K" are of that level, and you have no evidence to suggest they are Point dismissed Yes you must My teacher hasnt done anything wrong...hes very honest with his students about his level of attainment Yours however, Drinking hot water is a siddhi Says it all really My other teacher, who doesnt know Damo, doesnt share a lineage nor a practice with him Please explain how it is If "you" are preserved then that is immortality That is why I made the distinction with original self. I thought you'd make the connection yourself...but, well... Oh you're not correcting me Metadao, but you sure have made my points about your teacher very clear If his students are this confused...and willing to buy into his nonsensical fables...and create make believe stories about "mental siddhi abuse" so he can get his monthly tuition off you I think myself (and this entire board) know exactly what to make of him, you, his practice, his teacher (mr tiktok) and your understanding of matters

I already paraphrased it He made the distinction between the endpoints and stated his practice He literally stated "snuffing out the candle" You just werent listening...youve a tendency towards that My statements are in relation to Dragons gate alchemy. You have zero knowledge or understanding of it And you think the phoney who learns from the Tiktok star above does? Come on man give it up ffs Im not looking for initiation. I have a 1-1 teacher who teaches me for free Damos material is for a different purpose for me. One my other teacher approves of You cant because there aren't any No actually, I m not I have the facebook messages in front of me I do actually, that why I was able to name his teacher Maybe you can expose the Di Xians name, or will I? Lets play a game, we'll start with a letter Want to continue? Please go ahead Last I checked with him, it was $120 for 2 hours over zoom monthly Has he gotten more generous? Free teaching for TDB crew perhaps? That has nothing to do with anything When supported by facts and evidence that is observable Is there? Where is the false?

Id just have asked you, because not everyone means the same thing when they use a term Thats why you made a mistake Oh I am nothing so are you saying that I dont exist? You realise my aims are related to subtraction, not addition. Really? Can I have some quotes please? Meanwhile Teaching online is wrong - Your teacher does zoom primarily Damo is a fraud - You teacher thinks drinking hot water is a siddhi Damo should teach for free - You teacher charges more than twice what he does Do you really want to go down this road now? Last chance before the vehicle hits the car rail and goes over the cliff

Ah, are you disappointed I didnt accept the compromise? Oh dear Actually, if you'll watch what I've done this entire time I've let you hang yourself (and your teacher) through your own words, by asking you questions you either don't know how to answer, cannot answer, or will tell a lie to answer, or endlessly contradict yourself Please show me any false information, hypocritical or contradictory statements I made : I'm begging you Anytime you asked a question that involved an explanation, you were given an answer Anytime I asked you a question requiring an explanation, you could rarely provide one, and if you did, the description was either wrong or dishonest I'll repeat this one more time. Claims require evidence. Evidence I am happy to look at and assess if you provide it, and accept it if it is valid But we both know you don't have it or nor can you provide it Tell "your teacher" he isn't fooling anyone, and if he wants a debate , not to be so Machiavellian and come and make it himself, If hes not too busy practicing the hot water siddhi , that is

This evidence is what exactly? Im sorry, which Dragons gate lineage are you again? Oh thats right, you arent So what evidence is it then? Pretty sure is said it directly in the interview Well he said it in the interview, and if you'd bothered to ask him he'd tell you So you believed something he never once said, and somehow its his fault? Why isnt you teacher teaching for free? He charges more than Damo, Hes more charitable than you know...But its easy to judge a person based on your limited perception and ideals Except it isn't clear and you've provided absolutely nothing in the way of evidence to support that statement. Literally nothing That depends on how you view it If you are trying to preserve something...anything at all, is that attachment? So whats the level above heavenly immortal in Daoism? Oh you have done enough bad mouthing of him to be honest. None of it warranted Wrong, it is a presentation of opinion Facts require evidence, evidence you haven't provided us So we are back to achievements? How do you know his achievements? Wrong, spiritual immortals come back No you are saying that, I made no such statement Well who said he achieved it? Still waiting for concrete evidence you know his level How so? Which are? Clearly that is quite obvious at this point, though Im having to correct you neidan assertions also so You had to google it? No its not and no it isnt Its just cessation Go back to the candle flame metophor The type of Nihroda I'm talking about is beyond this It just ceases. everything goes Sure, whats the point? Yep Hopefully

That error was yours...because you are confused Ah the compromise Are we here already? That backfoot must be starting to get tired I understand Nei Dan enough to know Damo teaches proper foundations according to his tradition That is whats important, and that's all that's important. You have no idea of his attainments, I even had to point out known facts about him to you There's only one person I know here qualified to assess his practices, and its not you. Hes repeatedly made his feelings known on it You came here and made a bunch of baseless accusations, emotional appeals, false claims, and strawman arguments, for no good reason And they are falling apart with every message...so maybe think about that These are semantical terms acquired self -acquired nature original self - original nature If you listened to Damo's podcast (the one you ironically credited before your tirade) You'd hear him discuss the candle flame being preserved vs being put out Same thing That's the difference between the end point of Daoist Neidan vs the type Buddhist practice I'm talking about

Hes not but his teacher has been with them, and the other person pictured above Thats why the rhetoric is there, but there are divergences also

Not at all Umm no it isnt...It eliminates the acquired self Immortality is literally the preservation of the original self Your teacher needs to go back to school Hes not an earth immortal, and neither is your teacher He sure has you guys wasting a lot of money thinking he is though Whats his siddhi again, drinking hot water? Every year one of you shows up, every year the same tired old doctrine We have the super secret standing practices Damo Is a fraud We care not for your measly Yin shen practice Man give it a break, you are literally paying this guy with no clue of his attainments I've seen his nonsense, I've seen his practice I've seen his instructions and words written down I even know people who trained with him, and he has never demonstrated anything except a big ego, delusion and a lack of actual attainment And he's so bad, he cant even come on here himself to make his claims, he'll let his students do it And? You can do all the physical practice in the world, if you arent working on your mind as well you are not working as efficiently as you could be Ive already seen you teachers explanation of it. Nice hefty fee for a lot of delusion regards attainments You were the one who asked for an explanation, I had to provide it because yet again you dont know I never said that Light body is 8-9th Jhana, thats game over boy I said Damo Mitchell was exhibiting signs of 2nd Jhana well over a decade ago. So he's doing just fine I imagine If you understood you'd know what those signs are Except he is neither doing it, nor has shown any ability to Much like that teacher who studies with him, who you wont name

Sure Rainbow body means you will still reincarnate....its in the intermediate states of Jhana Light body is the higher attainment, when that happens you dont have to come back, ever Damo Mitchell was exhibiting classic signs of 2nd Jhana a very long time ago (over a decade now) ...and the proof was there for everyone to see Scores of people, including non affiliates and non practitioners, (because that's one of the things, you have no control over it) Do you know what that sign is? Care to expand on it? I personally think the preservation of the self, whatever form that may take is a lower aim yes. That is my opinion and you are welcome to argue it My aim would be Nirodha...in the most literal sense Your teacher seems to think the waving hands practice is more than sufficient. All about the softness right? You've repeated your teachers narrative, and I know because hes embedded into your psyche so deep, anyone with a speckle of insight can see it The tiktok man up there is your teachers teacher Heres a picture of him Lots of grey hair for an immortal... Your teacher also learned from the whole AA/Russian Cohort Tell the truth and least be honest. I know who he is, and he is not what you claim. I do both, because I understand the relationship between the mind and the body, and can see how the practices complement one another well And I'm saying that you haven't provided an iota of evidence to support that claim Only " my teacher said" Well I've discerned who your teacher is (you embody his signature), and he has no authority to make a claim like that. ZERO So you'll need something else Im quite happy with my teachers, the provide me everything I need You've been misled unfortunately

Hey im quoting your words, I never made any claim You are just contradiciting yourself Ask your teacher...he knows very well who this guy is He learns from him after all Or do I need to post your teachers name too? Or how about your practices? Flowing hands...All the way the immortality Its all you need, right? Your teachers not an Di Xian The rainbow body is not the highest attainment in Buddhism Not at all

No you dont, you just should back up your claims if you are going to make them You think I need to phish? You think I wasn't picking up on a frequency when I sensed AA and likes off of you? Does this man look familiar to you? https://www.tiktok.com/@masterdongyang What, you thought Damo was the only one who had abilities ? Do I need to keep going? So if all siddhi are attained at the Di Xian level, and Damo has siddhi (according to you) then by your own definition, Damo must be at least Di Xian right? Do you have a Buddhist teacher? I do And it isnt Damo Im quite sure the highest attainment of Buddhist systems is above that of Neidan

Also please answer my question about your relationship with Damo Close student? Senior? Teacher? IAA member Details are important

I dont worry about Yin Shen or Yang Shen I know specific results that he achieved related to my aims. That' s enough for me to know he can help me Ah you mean like your teacher Would you care to say the proof you were given that your teacher has formed the elixir? The former I do not believe, and the latter you are going to have to be more specific Does your teacher have siddhi? Actual verifiable siddhi that you have seen? You said earlier he was a fraud, the called him high level. He cant be both I asked you to pick...you say he is high level. Ok then Thats a pity, I thought we were making progress

How do you know he used it on you, and why do you suggest he may have used it on others? How did you confirm it? Thats what Id like to know But you didnt answer whether or not you were a senior, a teacher, a student in person, in the IAA or? Earlier he was a fraud, now hes a high level teacher? You understand you are contradicting yourself a lot here? Its hard to find a coherent narrative I'm not saying anything, I'm asking how you came to this conclusion?

Ahhh, so my emotional baggage remark wasn't far off the mark at all...Interesting Lets see then And you know of others who make this claim? Or is this just you? Why? Again same question. Why? Are you claiming to be one of his seniors or a teacher? And you can see this how exactly?

By who's definition?

I do not think you know Damo's character, and you definitely do not know mine But im not going to speak or argue for him, he stands on his own merits You already had a third party refute your claims. You avoidance of my questions made it very clear Ive no investment in it, and certainly no emotional baggage like you to offload. There is no reason for me to lie Id believe it if you had at least mentioned your teacher, or failing that, your school. But we both know what that will lead to But seeing as you wont, and seeing as you are literally regurgitating the same arguments (and practice ideology) almost verbatim that those from AA's school have come on here with, you are making it pretty hard to deny that you are of his tutelage, or one of his students. Sure..Give us all the examples, with evidence please

I dont wish to know, you've made it obvious in your other posts. I mean blatantly obvious If you want to lie about it thats no problem, Its not like the rest of your post isnt filled with those For those of us who have been on the forum and seen the past users with the exact narrative you are positing, its a fairly simple equation

I'm noticing a pattern in AA's students to be honest If a student is a reflection of the teacher, This is very telling

Teachers shouldn't have online schools then? https://daode.world/schedule#menu_onlineclasses Isn't that your teacher? And isnt this his disciple? https://yuxianpai.com/ I did...I am making the contrast between 10 euros a week vs 40K for a conversation Nor would I I didnt engage with them further. I have no interest in learning from someone willing to behave in that manner But you are talking about people like Damo Mitchell and Nathan Brine like they are of that breed, and its both untrue and disrespectful

Clearly you dont understand how schools work And if you think he charges a lot of money, I was quoted around 40k to be introduced to a teacher...no teachings, no guarantees. An Introduction @freeform would tell you this kind of thing is rife throughout Asia What does buildings have to do with it? If you think 10 euros a week for access to learning materials and support is gredy, you need a reality check Somehow you seem to think that's the case, yet provide nothing to substantiate it? The only problem I' m seeing is that you are trying to create strawman's really? Im not offended You are not the first of AA's to come here with this rhetoric You support the thing you abhor? Can he? and why should he? Do you do your job for free?? I think its implicit, if not, look a little closer We've already established the disconnect between what you think and the reality of the claims you made thus far. Your inability to answer any of my questions makes that fairly clear, but I respectfully await and welcome new information I dont really care about the elixir right now to be honest I care about building a good foundation I will worry about the elixir, when its time to worry about the elixir Im still waiting for you to substantiate your claims for any of what you said, and will respectfully request you to do so again please

Except I didnt, I am telling you that beyond a certain point you'll need a close watch You said something entirely different, and threw out a whole heap of unfounded accusations They are not the same thing, not even close You should tell me why they should be? I am pretty sure Damo routinely puts out free information on YouTube for people. In fact he released a course on there that students of his school and academy earlier paid to take, alongside other free practices Would you care to show me your teachers free contributions? or explain their lack thereof?

Sure you are, but your other posts gave away who your teacher is, you just don't realise how yet AA has a nice little online thing going too He's named some of them, others I'm sure only the seniors know But there is a reason for this, they are not public I don't think you understand the purpose of videos. Most people who take this stuff seriously, will seek out face to face teaching when the time is right There are some who cannot for whatever reason. Should they have no resources? That is also why there are other things like online classes, and focused events to bridge the gap. I've done the online events Next to meeting him in person that's as good as you are going to get, and while the world was shut down, it was the best you could get. Several people who I know did not see their teacher for years over this, and were left to ponder if they were progressing. While this was happening I was having my posture corrected, stances refined and questions answered. You can posit conjecture if you wish, I am telling you what happened, exactly as it happened Ok, but we live in the modern era, whats the issue? Why exactly? I see what you are trying to say, you are just incorrect because you are assuming that everyone needs a close watch from the beginning. They do not At a certain point, I agree with you, but right from the beginning? No I'm sorry I have to disagree, and honestly, I think you know that simply isn't true Why don't you ask a few of his students how much effort he puts into helping them? No it isn't like that at all

Doubt he'll name them, or doubt its him?