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His retreats aren't cheap here in the west unfortunately. Thats often due to the choice of location. Not that they aren't worth it...Id happily pay it myself. Id just be sure I have the conditions set up the gain the maximum benefit first I believe the ones in China are far more reasonable I understand his position though. The standing/moving aspect of foundational work is probably something he feels no need to teach anymore. I see the overlaps in his seated methods...just not seeing the moving/standing stuff being taught. I assume he has other ways of getting the same results? Imo, that tough physical work builds resolve...something necessary for later thats just me though. I like discomfort...then again, sitting for that long isnt easy Ah the pillar of sitting....Little by little Ive been told by more than a few people that his Qi emission skills are above and beyond anything most people know of. Folks having their MCO open up fully just by being in his presence over a retreat. The ability to regulate the fields of that many people at the same time for the period he does...that's seriously impressive. I recall statements like " I felt the marrow in my bones moving"
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I dont know if you're joking or being serious? Nathans probably referencing cinnabar as its spoken of in neidan...might be helpful to read around the topic if you're not familiar?
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Id be more concerned about having good foundations in qigong and neigong to be honest. I think a lot of that would dictate how well and efficiently you'd progress Nathans program is, from what I gather heavily focused on seated work and the Yin Xian Fa methods. He might be teaching some of this, im not sure...but If it was me id be making sure I had a few pre-requisites in place before even looking at it
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I agree I could see no reason why two people teaching would not want to demonstrate any understanding of anything in a public forum where people might actually be willing to work with them. Unless they were afraid of something coming to light they would rather keep under the radar that is But I think @GSmaster knows he to be careful now. Looks like hes been suspended multiple times, banned , re-registered a new account under @XianGong and was banned AGAIN...and now he's back in his "final form" as @Neirong I imagine the mods are noticing the patterns...
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In my own experience...working with the fascia rarely is
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Thanks for explaining it a lot better than I could I don't train with Lindsey, but she was recommended to me by someone I trust I only brought up her Longmen lineage as its a more commonly known one. I didnt mean to insinuate the particular set in question was from that lineage specifically From what I've seen of the the Yang Shen Gong training...I liked it
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I think the word you're looking for is confused Not uncommon for someone who doesn't understand the mechanics of this stuff Definitely not the first person Adam is as real as they come. He's one of the few people willing to actually teach YJJ mechanics openly to folk Its very easy to tell who knows what they are talking about and who does not Everyone's a skeptic until they have a chance to train with someone with internal development...they shut up fairly quickly then It certainly can be. But there are some as you know, who have these developments that really transcend what we typically label as "normal" When it comes to people who have actually developed beyond the basic level of human potential (hint here folks, Neigong/YJJ) then all bets are off and you're pretty much going to have to find another manner of discernment. Occam's razor is a form of inductive bias after all. Also I agree with you, this looks like Peng (I say that with my limited understanding of it) Lindsey Wei actually teaches something like this. Its not so much "iron shirt" as "body protection" using dao yin methods and breathing techniques... Shes 31st Generation Longmen Pai (Dragons gate) oddly enough This lineage seems to pop up everywhere I cant speak on what shes teaching for this... But I've seen her "Yang shen Fa" set, and if you have an understanding of certain "principles" you can see it works. The level to which it does though, is dependant on your own level of development The issue here is people applying a one size fits all approach. As I mentioned above, when someones been through a certain degree of development, certain presuppositions aren't useful anymore, they actually block your perception They arent, and you are correct The false assumptions made above is whats known as a false cause fallacy. It is the equivalent of shooting holes in a fence, then painting bullseyes around the holes. It is a common tactic used by people who don't understand logic You know whats one good way to assess someones level of development? Check their understanding of causality. You know what would be a good way to begin discerning what is true vs false here? An understanding of the mechanics You know what this one has shown zero understanding of?
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Shiny things tend to be expensive, and detrimental to ones wallet I wonder if they were aware of the costs, how appealing they would seem then
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Oh dear and people wonder why they are so eager to interact Interesting how none of those involved in this type of work seem to tell you that last bit
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Im doing good I just dont like the lies...and people attempting to make money off being dishonest. Disagreeing with someone is totally fine. Disliking someone is totally fine...fabricating stories isn't, especially when its done in a manner from which one seeks profit from. There's an ethical issue here, its not so much upsetting as just downright wrong The thing is...freeform who isnt a teacher has contributed the most to this thread. Thats very telling considering he doesn't practice it...whereas you have two others claiming its central to what they do, and when asked to talk about it, refuse. You would think the teachers would be happy to explain the mechanics...nobody's asking them for methods Moreover...much of what he's posting, especially in relation to the passive aspects of AP is something im familiar with. I see all the hallmarks of someone who knows the mechanics of it...and my knowledge of this is limited mostly (but not exclusively) to the passive aspects. Id love to see this thread flourish...should it not be the case that those who claim it to be central to what they do, be some of the main contributors to the thread if they chose to post here?
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Now there's an Idea Oh dear....pacts. Its very easy to see why such practices are discouraged in a lot of instances I refer to the saying...theres no such thing as a free lunch Shuan Ling, Tai Guang and You Jing? Thats the part of the soul that returns to source upon death right? Ive heard this mentioned in passing quite a bit, that magical traditions put up blockades to certain aspects of the deeper parts of traditions. I always found the Mao Shan a strange one...their methods are, interesting to say the least As far as I understood, the latter can be rather helpful in communicating very important information when it needs to be once the former settles down Yes this is the way I was taught also funny enough you tend to get all other manner of stuff happening along the way
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Two people, one a known banned member who has all the signs of having serious mental issues randomly sign up and start promoting themselves as teachers. They come across a thread on astral projection...claim to the world they teach it, thats its a core part of what they do They are then scrutinized are asked to explain the mechanics of it That is not off topic... Oh dear...you're upset Freeform was kind enough to share some of the mechanics with you...I've discussed some of this elsewhere as well about certain causative factors...the link is at the start of the thread. In both cases, its more than you have contributed...so consider working on that However, I know you are upset...fear not Fill this out please and return via PM...I aim to process complaints in 5 working days (I have other commitments unfortunately) I literally dont care who their teachers are. I care whether they understand the things they are claiming to...One of those things happens to be AP...The topic of this thread So far...all signs point to no Of course it would be great if they weren't posting multiple threads thread claiming to teach this and that...But no...every place they turn up claiming to teach or understand something...They will be asked to discuss it in detail to the extent that a teacher should That's the purpose of a discussion forum...to discuss things If you don't like what you're seeing...there's a button for that if you need protection from words on a screen Worry about your own contributions, or lack thereof...You are not a mod of this forum If all you want to do is complain about other people, you already have a well established non-public space for that Teachers showing up and claiming anything should be called to task, In this case it is astral projection, the topic at hand... It is that simple
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I think anyone teaching a method is obliged to show they understand the mechanics of it...especially when asked, and ESPECIALLY when fabricating stories about people in detail My benchmark for a teacher is someone who has the methods, knowledge of the mechanics and skill...In other words they understand cause, conditions and effect. I hold anyone claiming that title to that standard As to whether I think you'll share anything? No I already established that you won't, and I made clear why I'm saying that But you are welcome to show me otherwise. I welcome being wrong...just bring the evidence I don't need to think anything...all the evidence speaks for itself My response to question anyone who claims to have mastery over a method is neither emotional nor passionate...it is rational My aims are very modest in fact...I expect nothing from my internal practice only truth. My level of experience is irrelevant for two reasons 1. I am a student, not a teacher...So I don't need to have decades behind me 2. Quality over quantity...Ill take 1 day of meaningful practice over a year of useless practice any day. My worldview is doing just fine thank you Having spent a long time in academia, and working in a department concerned with the mind and brain, surrounded by reductive materialists and making the case for the opposing argument, I've had my worldview challenged more times that you'd care to know You tend to grow thick skin in that case But I did get a few insights into peoples avoidance strategies...Which is how I know what you are doing Like deflecting to non-important matters when posed with a challenge Like refusing to answer questions when asked because they know they haven't got the requisite information Like resorting to lies/deception in an attempt to make themselves appear superior. In case you didnt know...I have seen this movie hundreds of times....different toilet, same crap It always ends the same way too... You come into a public forum, claiming mastery over methods, and cant even explain them when asked. While at the same time going on a slander campaign against people who can. You claim to be a teacher, you invite criticism and questions. You claim understanding, you invite scrutiny. You tell lies, be prepared to be called to account over it You are the one criticising people...you're just being called up on making false claims. Teach who you want, do what you wish if you can handle what comes with it. But start telling lies about people.. expect there to be people out there who like the truth and are willing to speak up.
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The conflict is where you dont understand the mechanics and are picking and choosing what goes where Thinking all you need from Daoist practice is Dantien gong and ZZ. That tells me you have no clue about the mechanics Knowing a method doesn't mean you understand it. Demonstrating your knowledge via an explanation of the mechanics does Really? I don't think you do, because you would not be teaching visualization and dantien gong within a few months of each other of you did. A rudimentary understanding of the mechanics would suffice here Thats a nice double standard. You expect to be able to criticise anyone in public and will lie to do so, but when asked to explain anything in public. Silence Yeah. People aren't stupid Its not that you don't want to explain it. You cant. You know VERY WELL that there are people here who will call you both out on your claims of knowledge, and when they do, you'll stay silent because saying anything would incriminate you and expose details and a lack of understanding you'd rather people didnt see. I'm sorry to tell you but your "honest" opinion is anything but honest. let me pull a few quick examples of lies out. If I was to go through all of it, id need a blog rather than a post 1. There is plenty of feedback. There is a group where seniors teachers and Damo interact with students all the time. 2. As for tracking progress. I've been given sufficient information about my progress when I've asked. Plenty of times 3 There is more than enough contact with multiple teachers. I have had many of them correct my alignments, and received plenty of other help as well. One line...3 lies....ONE LINE. I didnt even have to read past 1 line to get 3 lies out of you two And let me be clear. I have a second teacher, who teaches me for free. So I have nothing to gain by endorsing anyone. ZERO I just don't like liars, and will call it out when I see it. I'm not about to go on and on. Nor is it needed to go back and forward about it Anyone with the smallest level of discernment can see your aim here, and, to echo @freeform , it is utterly pathetic to be honest. Moreover, its a grand reflection of both of your levels of development of "soul" you claim to be so important.
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The difference is that the people who founded the traditions that survived today, understood the mechanics to such a high degree that they were able to pick and choose what went where, That plus generations of trial and error. And most importantly access to a lineage stream. Seeing as you are a "Magus"..and you're teaching Daoist material.Can you discuss the overlaps between traditions? Do you know what the Magical sects of Daoism have in common with the others? You're using Daoist practices with magic after all...surely you have an understanding of the mechanics? There has been several attempts to get you and your counterpart to discuss your understanding of the mechanics. So far, I've seen more writing from your website trying to publicly talk crap and tell lies about other accomplished teachers, instead of actually making a case for demonstrating that you have something worth offering. As far as showing a knowledge of the mechanics...I haven't seen either of you make a post on them yet The biggest contributor to this topic of astral projection was actually freeform, who literally laid out some of the mechanisms of astral projection here. And its not even something he focuses on at all. And yet, here you are both advertising it as a core part of what you are teaching? Then, when asked to talk about the mechanics...you've nothing to offer? Really? I don't think either of you are in any position to be criticising anyone to be perfectly honest. And definitely in NO position to be fabricating lies about them. Irrespective of the dishonesty and lack of ethics involved...it says a lot about a teacher when they spend that much time and effort time trying to falsely discredit others, than using their platform to demonstrate their knowledge and understanding
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Complete system? Exactly what is "complete" about combining Daoist methods like ZZ and Dan tien gong with Western esoteric methods and techniques? That's quite the opposite of complete. The very nature of it suggests its several fragments of different bits and pieces Also, you do realize these things are in conflict? An example of this is visualization and dan tian gong. They oppose one another Someone with knowledge of the mechanics would know why this is the case.
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I dont think anyone will be learning this so easily, especially given one has to actually develop the central channel first, which takes quite some time. Its interesting how a lot of people just assume you can sit down and focus on a chakra or the central channel, without understanding the pre-requisites Ghosts are strange one. I dont see the benefit in contacting anything in either of these realms. When you say higher, I assume you may be referencing the realm of the jealous dieties? Shui gong practice It is a very strange experience when the Hun starts to feel wanderlust haha 100% agree. Ive seen people mistake these types of practices with all manner of other things...from lucid dreaming right up to Phowa I was warned not to be attached or driven towards these types of things by my Buddhist teacher. I was told certain markers of progress that signified something, but not to try to be driven towards "experiences" be it accessing altered realms, or having visitors as two examples. Anytime it happens, I was told it should occur passively, and I should behave passively towards it. This sounds like why My understanding is that the Ling when acting as an expression of Yuan Shen is seen as the lower path, as it moves one away from Dao...getting past this is seen to be very important
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It doesn't matter how potent a method is, if the teacher doesn't understand the mechanics of what they are doing, then they are not someone you need to be learning from in my opinion. People might find Damo talks at length about subjects. I used to find it tough to get through long discussions, until I realised, hold on, you're being shown the blueprints here. You really want to understand all this stuff? Then listen attentively Once you've learned from someone with the ability to get to the underlying mechanisms...you very soon start to see that the vast majority of people don't know what they are talking about And Im going to be blunt...I've seen people with abilities, that still dont know. They may have been through the process, developed some qi and so forth, but that doesn't mean they understood it.
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Likewise However...I am privy to one GSmasters posts and discussions. I take issue when someone starts telling bold-faced lies about people...its a sign of poor ethics. And I can tell you honestly, those articles are littered with lies. If I was to go through it point by point it would take me some time to counter each lie. I get zero benefit from telling the truth....these people get paid if the lie is believed. Teach, earn do what you like if you can handle the karmic load.... but don't do it based on lies and expect not to be called out on it I can give you techniques that will benefit your practices also...That just makes me a person with a method that can be used. It does not make me a teacher. My benchmark for teacher is someone that understands the mechanics in detail. So far, when either person has been asked to discuss the mechanics, they refuse. Says quite a bit really...especially given how much time people like @freeform spend openly discussing such things here (free of charge too I might add) So its not that I have a personal problem when asking these questions. I see someone posting as if they are an authority on the topic, yet when asked to show their knowledge, they don't. This is my means of assessing whether they actually know what they are talking about, or just whether they have some methods that work I go back to the point of mechanics...I think if someones going to present themselves as a teacher...they are obliged to show their understanding at a level far beyond here is a method. Most people fail this litmus test...so far, this is what I've seen on that side too. But I'm always open to being wrong Its like I said above, I'm not questioning methods....you can pick up a book and learn potent methods. However, show me books that have the mechanics laid out and detailed. You'll find those are few and far between. And thats really the key to it imo. I had this discussion with Zork before he took his annual leave... My own observations and experience suggests that whether that be a tantric, magical, devotional or insight based tradition...understanding not only causality but also the conditions, moderators, mediators and so forth, is what separates the wheat from the chaff Getting someone that can discuss this at length, in a manner that is accessible and understandable, but also detailed, that's the mark of a teacher that knows what they are doing
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Your assessment reflects my own thought...ill explain in the next few posts This is my problem too...and Im going to go into a bit of detail as to exactly why this is the case...using a different teacher (an ex member) as an example Over a year ago...Steve Gray was posting on another forum. He was challenged on a lot of his statements and made look very foolish. He could not explain the mechanics behind any of the practices...and was made look worse with each message. So he did what most people do, he blamed everyone else and took off. But before this happened, something else interesting did He had started looking advice on one of his students of 6 MONTHS who had ALL the signs of serious qi deviations. Admitting he had no TCM knowledge, he started asking people for advice he could give his students ( I already dont need to say how dodgy this is, given that TCM advice shouldnt be given online). After being told to tell his student to stop...and that TCM needs to be done in person...he relented. What he did next is just disturbing He told him that he was having a kundalini awakening, and that this was some kind of record, and testament to his method and how it was a "fast path" This was about 18 months ago...so by now this guy had been under Steve for 2 years....This one is now a teacher for Steve's method https://www.taohermitage.com/instructors.html I dont need to tell you, as a person with a lot of experience in these arts just how dangerous and irresponsible something like this really is... The reason that im bringing it up is not to denounce Steve...its to hammer home the point that any teacher MUST be held to a high standard...and that includes calling out poor behaviour If someone wants to teach something, they'll reap the seeds they sow in time. But if their approach to teaching is to tell blatant lies in an attempt to steer students away from people who actually do know what they are talking about. I draw a VERY hard line myself here
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Fun indeed, I spent quite a bit of time going over older posts I imagine people were spared some of the details of his past adventures. My favourite highlight is when one of the Western Mo Pai actually summarized some of the things he said in a post..naga demons, laser eyes, portals...Sounds like Highlander More fun below https://ancientmasters.org/ancient-masters-library-bits-of-ancient-knowledge/adam-mizner-taiji-quan-internal-arts-scam https://ancientmasters.org/ancient-masters-library-bits-of-ancient-knowledge/damo-mitchell-lotus-neigong-internal-arts-academy Certainly wouldn't be my approach...but then, if the past is any way indicative of the future...I should expect no less
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In the hope that via their advanced third eye powers, I would be given great insight into mechanics us mere mortals simply do not understand. I've gathered you know who owns that profile and recall the preceding statements scattered amongst threads of days gone by
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Like people who bring up topics, claim to be authorities on the subject, and then when asked to explain or elaborate, go silent?
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Yes I agree, contrived breathing wont help in this case Try this instead Surely this will work
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I've noticed...strange situation. Hopefully they can speak up in this thread Still waiting on the ZZ mechanics from the other thread though
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