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Why do Daoist refuse to accept that nei dan(alchemy) is just another path to achieving samadhi(emptiness). Same way zen, samatha(jhana), kundalini yoga, anapanasati or patanjali yoga. Is it becuz of the energetic manipulation and secrecy?
Asher Topaz replied to Asher Topaz's topic in Daoist Discussion
Xing has to do with consciousness. Realizing the emptiness is xing.Dhayana absorptions is xing. Taoist believe most meditation are about consciousness. They also believe you cant achieve or stabilise xing without ming. Ming has to do with the alchemical transformation of jing to chi to shen. However I believe that dhyana/jhana is not possible without ming happening. As you meditate on your breath I believe over time alchemical changes happen inside you to let you achieve those absorptions. Thats y u feel physical bliss in jhana.Thats jing turning to chi. By second dhayna chi turns to shen. By third dhyana shen turns to emptiness. Fourth dhyana is beginning of the formless realms of emptiness. But taoist believe ming can only be accomplished through actively manipulating the alchemical process. That it doesnt happen on its own. -
Why do Daoist refuse to accept that nei dan(alchemy) is just another path to achieving samadhi(emptiness). Same way zen, samatha(jhana), kundalini yoga, anapanasati or patanjali yoga. Is it becuz of the energetic manipulation and secrecy?
Asher Topaz replied to Asher Topaz's topic in Daoist Discussion
Its very hard to explain as there are lots of things about it. But the most common premise is the goal of achieving immortality through the refinement of jing to chi to and shen to emptiness. Going from a post heavenly state to a pre heavenly state. -
Why do Daoist refuse to accept that nei dan(alchemy) is just another path to achieving samadhi(emptiness). Same way zen, samatha(jhana), kundalini yoga, anapanasati or patanjali yoga. Is it becuz of the energetic manipulation and secrecy?
Asher Topaz replied to Asher Topaz's topic in Daoist Discussion
What? Samadhi aint common. Real samadhi is hard. Very few people get real samadhi. There are the 4 form samadhis and the 4 formless samadhis. Most people dont get to the third samadhi of the form realm Talkless of the formless real. However in samadhi xing and ming go together. U cant get real samadhi(xing) without alchemical transformation(ming). -
Two paths to cultivation. Consciousness path(dhyana-samadhi) and esoteric path(energy,qi channels)
Asher Topaz replied to Asher Topaz's topic in Buddhist Discussion
It is my understanding that the jhanas cultivate qi automatically. Jhana means tranquility. By entering an extremely yin state of mind. The inner chi which nei gong cultivates starts to move and trigger the alchemical process. The higher you go on the jhana the higher you go on the alchemical process. Jhana is Theravada buddhist version of alchemy. But its slower not as fast as energy practices. But its safer as well. -
Two paths to cultivation. Consciousness path(dhyana-samadhi) and esoteric path(energy,qi channels)
Asher Topaz replied to Asher Topaz's topic in Buddhist Discussion
No not true. If you go deep in buddhism you will find out that it cultivates qi using jhanas same with patanjalis eight limbs of yoga. Mind and qi are two sides of the same coin. BY purifying your mind using jhana you purify your qi. That is y its been known that jhana can give powers or siddhis. Its based on taoist principle. Extreme yin gives birth to extreme yang. By slowing down the mind to an extremely yin state, the breath stops, pulse stop what taoist call (hsi). Then this gives birth to the kundalini or yuan chi moving through the MCO to purify jing to chi. The bliss in jhana is channels in the body opening allowing your body to feel light and free. By the time you get to second jhana you cant feel your body anymore cuz its full of chi which starts transforming to shen in third jhana. By fourth jhana your cultivating emptiness. The jhanas are the buddhist version of jing- qi shen-emptiness transfromation. You will also find out that buddhist who cultivate jhana are healthy compared to buddhist who just cultivate dry insight or vipassana. Buddha did not bother with qi cuz he knew that the jhanas will take care of them. Plus they are a very low stage of cultivation in the form realm. There is still the formless realm before one thinks of enlightenment or seeing the dao. Its basically an automatic version same with automatic car versus manual only problem is its slower than energy practices but a 1000 times safer. -
Two paths to cultivation. Consciousness path(dhyana-samadhi) and esoteric path(energy,qi channels)
Asher Topaz replied to Asher Topaz's topic in Buddhist Discussion
Yeah. The tantric approach is faster for sure. I just wish it was not so dangerous that self learning it would most likely lead to qi deviation especially in the head. -
Two paths to cultivation. Consciousness path(dhyana-samadhi) and esoteric path(energy,qi channels)
Asher Topaz replied to Asher Topaz's topic in Buddhist Discussion
Yes this is very true. -
Two paths to cultivation. Consciousness path(dhyana-samadhi) and esoteric path(energy,qi channels)
Asher Topaz replied to Asher Topaz's topic in Buddhist Discussion
But its been known that jhanas themselves open qi channels and purify essence from jing to qi to shen and emptiness by the fourth jhana. I know what most people call jhana is not jhana but soft versions of it. True jhana shuts down all 5 senses. And yes hard first jhana can take 3 years to get there. The second could take almost a decade. My guess is energy practices are faster right? -
Two paths to cultivation. Consciousness path(dhyana-samadhi) and esoteric path(energy,qi channels)
Asher Topaz replied to Asher Topaz's topic in Buddhist Discussion
The reason esoteric is used is that mind approach is very easy to understand and easy to access. Everybody even children know about concentration meditation on the breath and jhanas. Go on reddit meditation forums its very common. But information on energy manipulation found in taoism and tibetan buddhism or vajaranya are very rare. And even books that talk about it are hard to understand. I dont practice them but I like knowing how energy works in my body so I started reading Taoist yoga. And damn its hard to understand. So much details and steps in the process and so much mistakes can be made. Isnt the mind approach where all you do is concentrate and maintain a tranquil mind as u climb the jhanas which purifies qi channels without having to go through all those steps better? Plus its less prone to mistakes like we see in kundalini accidents and qi deviation where amateurs read instructions online and try to follow it without a master. But anapana can be done without a master which I believe is y buddha liked it so much. -
Two paths to cultivation. Consciousness path(dhyana-samadhi) and esoteric path(energy,qi channels)
Asher Topaz replied to Asher Topaz's topic in Buddhist Discussion
I wanted to ask everyone in the replies. Do you guys accept that samatha(concentration) meditations like anapanasti can open the chi channels by purifying the mind up to the point of formless jhanas. Afterall all qi phenomenom is in the form realm as well as the form jhanas. Obviously its slower than taoist direct manipulation of qi but can it be sped up with qi gong, pranayama, yogaasanas and tai chi? -
Neijia Yoga:Neigong for Yoga and Martial Arts by William Bodri
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Hi please has anyone read the book Neijia Yoga:Neigong for Yoga and Martial Arts by William Bodri. I dont live in America and there is no kindle version only hardcopy on Amazon. -
Neijia Yoga:Neigong for Yoga and Martial Arts by William Bodri
Asher Topaz posted a topic in Buddhist Discussion
Please has anyone here read the book Neijia Yoga:Neigong for Yoga and Martial Arts by William Bodri. I dont live in America and shipping fees are expensive. And there is no kindle version yet. -
Hi bums. I m a new comer who has been interested in martial arts, meditation and qi energy but never really had a practice.Learnt mostly from William Bodri books and blog. My Goal is to achieve perfection by uniting my body ,mind and spirit as one.And hopefully enlightenment.