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Again, I am interested how MCO does feel? Does it feels the same as You mentioned that qi feels - Light or Heat? Be well.

This was not the answer I was expecting. Thank You for the lession. Be well. AL.

I remember once You said to me in a post that I was "educated", but lack real experience. Now I have the same idea about Your thoughts.

This leads me asking what are this alternate type of consciousness. At the start I thought it is mental illness. I do not know if You have any experience of similar. When it turns on, it seems that all personality, emotions, thoughts becomes peripherical, distant, not important. Only is left the feeling that one is not human, but simply consciousness.

For now I only know two of myself. One is the common, the other is impersonal, a deeper one. The first tap into this deeper "him" was while because of asking question "Who am I". Now "he" regularly, but randomly surfaces. I still think there is the third, the "real" self.

Interesting perspective. I simply thought desirelessness objectively lets one to access what can be called "inner" or "higher" self. Thus one can see the mysterious self or "Dao". I thought desire term contains - fame, wealth, sexuality, bodily functions - that which occupies mind and do not let to see the higher aspects of reality.

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Sir. Yet it states "Ever desireless, one can see the mystery". I think it is talking about a "person" without desires. Maybe, I do not understand the subtlety of this chapter. Yet You cite "Paraphrasing the Buddha in the Lankavatara Sutra". I call this a "practical" guide. I think it offers not to be dogmatic. Probably this is just a play of words. All is well. Thank You for a good discussion. It was a pleasure.

I guess I understand what You and Author are trying to say. But to me, to speak about unspeakable is a contradiction. I think this chapter is a practical guide. There is an offer to be desireless. This contradicts my experience with people. You say Dao is beyond experience. I say, why the desireless then? There is one thing I lack in this chapter - how to be desireless? Such teaching as Dao can be discarded only when practitioner disapear - return to nothingness. Why to discard the raft in the middle of a river? Or if practitioner finds the teaching is not usefull anymore. That means he needs to switch the rafts. After all, do You expect to return to nothingness in Your lifetime? If not, why do you need this raft? Best wishes

I am thinking what I can get from this 1st chapter. The only interesting point I see the concept of desireless, but do not understand what does it mean. Probably, all people see different things. What an ignorance from my part.

My thoughts: Nothingness is the source. Being empty you see. I do not understand these things: 1) How can one be desireless? 2) If one can be desireless, how can one see the mystery, if both desireless and desiring are just the manifestations? 3) Why the concept of Tao is needed at all? After all, it is a product of mind.

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Can you explain what is spirit? I have a primitive notion that spirit is some kind of energy, but then what is energy?

Hello, I am beginner in meditation, but have had some profound(for me) experiences. I want to tell my experience and maybe find some guidance in this forum. I am most interested in neidan. Thank you and good luck to you.