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Marks picture and all the old signs seem have rather a semblance to the classic pluto sign, instead of mercury…imo, but egyptians couldn’t have known that one, but might help with a different interpretation ? ☿ vs (oh the Unicode sign is different now, what a surprise … it used to be this one… and what would support my conspiracy theory here, is another variant of the pluto sign, that is a united half moon in a sun… exoteric, esoteric, - maybe I should shush, even though I know nothing… really here, just guessing).

There’s memories from the gymn that support that, I never understood or asked why. But yeah, you deal with expectancies, causalities and flows and more, I recall, push, hold, give way or release and more maybe. Might be perceived as fields, with some subtle perception, I have not. With ‘energetic components of cultivation’ I am referring to what energetic pupils of various branches of daoism or yoga are blaming the picture of the classics buddhist meditator to lack in their practice. This why the energetic ones deem it incomplete or have different opinions on the goal of practice and functionality. In simple words: why do they need fighting if they propagate non-violence? Specifying/referring to ling qi …靈 ? The search engine doesn’t help here, lots of conflicting and confusing or contradictory information there. Is that always present for everyone or part of a process of development or something?

How would that work conceptually? No need for demonstrations, though. Is that why so many focus on the energetic aspects of cultivation? … Do you remember of what that is part of a process of, what you mentioned in your post just above?

No, but thanks.

there seems to be a detox process going on for me recently, it’s not simply physical, - else I’d simply throw up, it feels more like having an alleviating period but going upwards in the wrong directing (like wanting to vomit but there’s no material), heat from upper belly/breast region towards mouth… what helps the process, before I consider classic advice for traditional herb recipies? Sage? Salvia officinalis? What else?

Yes, lots actually. It passed thankfully. .

A Koan: What is to be seen when two mirrors reflect each other?

Were those about the physical form? A virgin birth of the Holy Spirit seems to me more revolutionary than of a physical baby who might karmically ‚inherit‘ that or ‚birth‘ it ‚himself‘. Also the death part, going there and returning in physical form might be an odd NDE, even the Orphics seemed to have known this one before. But returning from there also in spirit form might be more gangsta. Btw where do you meet mystical Christian’s these days? I thought those went into hiding long ago…?(while fleeing oppression and falsification of authority, power and institutions that wanted to corrupt the teachings to their advantage. Etc etc bla bla sorry.)

Can a lion eat you twice?

this came up and I forgot whom I wanted to share this with… I hope it finds its way might be worth pondering about @dwai how do you recognize a lion for a lion (and yes that’s a metaphorical/philosophical question) ?

Neo, it’s not a way of being dragged anywhere… it’s about letting go (not the same as giving up!) and following the cute white little rabbit down the w/hole *🐰 …if you dare and are prepared enough… that might not be up to you - anyhow - these windows of opportunity are small, you gotta be prepared, if you think about it for one millisecond, it’s gone - *🐰or whatever they call it in your tradition (grace?)…

@old3bob would you mind expanding on that thought a bit more or rephrase it in simpler concepts or connections, it seems like potential, but I fail to understand you here…

When if ever is guiding of behavior of others ethical? ♘ Due to conditioning and separate interests doesn’t it resort to ‚manipulation‘ fairly quickly as long as you get in an argument with someone? Or try to act from a sphere of separate self? How can healthy boundaries be defined and upholded? How can the conditioning be dissoluted? (this probably should be made in a separate thread or will be deleted, note to self.)

NOW, that’s why!

Why is the white knight talking backwards? Is it a koan? Is he even white? A knight? Does he even exist? What is behind words?

My understanding: The ideal of the divine/light/energy/union/dissolution/unreasonable happiness [placeholder…] is to be found and recognized in the real present moment and not in a distant far away different layer of ‚reality‘. Un-separable. Giving up on absolutes.

Thoughts or feelings, yes, that prove to be a part of resistance and thus hinder a full reception. (In my opinion. Which might be wrong.)

If I define it, I separate subject and object in my perception. It’s useful if you want to manipulate perception in that way. But then there’s still a you. Nice to have made you laugh. Make me laugh too?

Your brain structure doesn’t care if its the past or not if an experience ingrained itself there. Causality in its different forms doesn’t bring clarity at all. Too binary. Probability more like it. Never clarity. But beyond. Causality like time is a human concept.

34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. this has been wondering me for years now… what is the meaning of this sentence, is it related to perception?

I‘m not so sure anymore. Isn’t truth a questionable and sometimes even dubious concept, depending on the perspective, question, context and definitions? What’s it called in the vedas? I gotta look that up sometime…

That too, was quite helpful and enlightening today! Thank you @Daniel ! Do you have advice for a good book that gives an entry into modal logic (… is there something like modal logic for dummies?) You explained it very well, I think it’s helpful for all sorts of assertions of people!

Upaya? Westerners sometimes call it playing the devils advocate. Of course there can still be discussion: the premises are just more uncertain - and not everyone is willing to follow there for the sake of discussion or learning alone. But it’s possible, for experience sake, no? For now, I experienced the perspective changes and line of argumentation as quite nagarjunian, but I‘m not an expert and might be biased. Still curious on how a mango seed becomes a apple tree in modal logic! But maybe we should take this elsewhere, I don’t want to occupy @Maddies thread here with topics leading astray and elsewhere…