Lucky7Strikes

I agree with Lifeforce and Lerner. BoL is going through the phase most of us go through in romanticizing material renunciation mistaking it for wisdom, and glorifying the suppression of what is natural. But renunciation can be the natural inclination for some, and that is their way. What I find troubling is telling people what is their way and what is not. That we must all throw our attachments to the ground and go into the mountains...

Throw away ego for Ego eh? Why are you so concerned about "gods" taking your things away? What's so bad about that? And why are you asking the universe for anything for that matter? Instead of training yourself to live with nothing, maybe it's better to realize you never really had anything to lose in the first place?

This is not an experience arising from realization, but your fear arising from the ego's desire to remain an individual. There is pain initially from the very consideration that a separate entity of "you" is an illusion, but the more you peel away, the more sense of freedom and blonging arises. That's not very important imho. Finding happiness here and now is enough.

No, what you are talking about is a chakra opening, I was talking in the more metaphorical sense. The true opening of the heart is not done through supression but a complete opening to "what-is" without filters. A total surrender. Xabir is not denying the experience of the spirit. The spirit and form are not two, but one. Awareness luminosity and the object that arise within it are like space and form, in that they are inseparable in manifestation. The mind misinterprets the I Am experience into a solid spirit or something in those lines which limits greater potentials of awakening. I hope you can look over his site, because you are misunderstanding his positions.

Xabir is not only a proponent of RT teachings. He has linked you to his sight a multiple times, which I don't think you gave adequate consideration. Anyway, it seems that most of your arguments are intellectual and don't have much roots in experience. So I am asking you to give Xabir's words meditative consideration.

Are you? Have your sense of complete Beingness awaken? What do you feel? How was that experience? It is just a stream of imprints and tendencies that reincarnate into a new form, just as the body rots and returns to earth, your memories and attachments also recycle into a new being.

I have no qualification or legitimate teachers. I only have my experiences and can vouche for the clarity and bliss the understanding of anatta and I Amness has brought to my life. To be spontaneously and fearlessly open to all experiences and life as it arises, as it flows through this body. I can attest that there were certain phrases where I no longer felt the distinction of this body and the outer world, and have simply felt the universe and the total feeling of love and compassion that accompanied it. Your mind will be awake as it has never been before, even in sleep states. Your heart will overtake your body. So it works. But if you want texts, here's some I like: http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Perfection-Longchenpas-Radical-Dzogchen/dp/086171640X http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.059.than.html http://www.amazon.com/Essentials-Mahamudra-Looking-Directly-Mind/dp/0861713710 The Heart Sutra and the Diamond Sutra have good expositions on Anatta as well.

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Ok, so then let's say the Buddha didn't say it (although Xabir is the only one providing lengthy quotes on this thread and the three marks of existence are Anatta, Annica, and Dukkha). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_marks_of_existence It shouldn't matter.

It does bring bliss, joy, love and caring. It really does! The opening up to the universe is an incredible sense of harmony with all there is. That you are its manifestation, and the compassion that arises from that realization is absolutely palpable. The awakening of the spirit, of clear luminous "Beingness" is not denied in Buddhist teaching or Xabir or Thusness's paradigm. The ultimatum of Tibetan Buddhist understanding is the unity of Emptiness and Luminosity, seeing that this clarity of being is inseparable from what arises now and to the next moment and so on. What the No-Self teachings does is to prevent that experience of presence, or Being to be reified into a godly state or a samadhi state or a period of time, or anything for that matter. Xabir is not speaking in intellectual terms. He is speaking of direct realization. You can only begin to see the difference in meditation and deep contemplation on what it is to be alive.

I have had success with teachings of Thusness and his interpretations of Buddhist practice, which is what Xabir represents. And its in line with much of Buddhist teachings anyway. And it's effective. Certain experiences I have gone through with these realizations have been very powerful as it releases a lot of the psychic toxins and attachments quickly. Also, No-self realization is only an aspect within the stages of insight. Xabir mentioned the realization of "Spirit" or "I AMness" to you a few times which I think you hold valuable. The experience of Being or pure consciousness is very necessary in order for the "No-Self" realization to not drift into nihilistic tendencies or excuses.

What do you mean experience all these aspects? Just be open to new ways. _/\_.

You seem to see thing too abstractly in terms of nothing and everything because of certain meditative experiences. Categorizing them into dualities of Yin and Yang. Sit down and try to meditate and be open to what Xabir has been saying before intellectually judging them or weighing their validity. Think of it as instructions for a new meditation.

Are you happy with what you practice? Does it bring you a sense of freedom, love, and clarity day to day?

I want to emphasize in this discussion that the realization of non-duality, no-self and anatta, emptiness, etc. is absolutely not intellectual. It must be meditated upon, which I see no one here arguing against Xabir doing. As Seth has pointed out, it's just the egoic tendencies defending its paltry existence. Sit down and open yourself to the idea that there is just this: sensation, sound, thought. Your body and mind will begin to open up to the universe as it flows through the veins. And a totally new vision of life will arise, so simple and completely beyond abstract theories or philosophies. And the realization will dawn slowly but definitively. Psychological and physical changes will begin to occur naturally. Remember that Buddhism is about removing suffering. It is also about bliss consciousness luminosity manifesting and the wisdom to understand those experiences in context. But it's so simple, open yourself to the sounds and sights with no barriers and realize that it is all there is moment to moment. The universe manifesting itself in myriad forms of awareness.

Your mind and body begin to go through transformative changes and experiences as it begins to drop habits of the past and opens up to spontaneous-presence-bliss. Also you don't suffer unnecessarily, and even when you do, it's completely bearable .

This is what anatta and the middle way really means. It is stripping your mind from all unnecessary assertions when we experience things. Can we say there is a God? No. Strip that away. Can we say there is a self? No. So x that out too. Can we say there is "No" self? Not really... Can we say there is the past? Can you find it? Not really. Can we even ascertain anything? It's like Chuang Tzu's butterfly dream. Nothing is findable because everything is simply happening as it is. From this, to that, simply arising and disappearing on its own.

Who taught you engrish? Nothing you write is clear, just mumble jumble intellectual jargon.

Huh, who said anything about nothing is everything? And what does nothing mean? It means "no thing," as in there are no true entities in experience. Where does one thing begin and end? Isn't it very arbitrary how we draw the boundaries of a "thing?" like a cup? Cut the cup in two...then is that still a cup? How about the body? Where does the body begin and end? So no "thing" I guess, IS everything.

It's because you are a blockhead. Look what everyone is saying about you! .

The mara's of sex. The moment you make something a "mara" then you've made a self delusional mara to struggle with. This is what ignorance is: "me" vs. "this" type of thinking. Mara's of alcohol. What's wrong with drinking? Aren't you the one after siddhis? Aren't you the one after a state you believe is enlightenment? God and enlightened are different things. Differentiate between right and wrong?! No, no, the enlightened man has no morals. Morals are of the civilized and indoctrinated mind. Keep holding that breath and playing with energies. At the end of the day, you are just another pile of dirt in the vast universe. I like Steve F's pathless path note. Don't make this into a project, this enlightenment business.

I find Osho to be very good for tips on day to day living, on relationships, love, wealth, basically he is very practical. He is great introductory material for people interested in spirituality because his lectures are so grounded in societal issues. Osho's focus is on the I AM, anything beyond that, concepts of no-self, non-dual, he only hints at. But I believe it's very difficult for anyone to pinpoint where he is, because he taught according to the student.

Um, then maybe you should keep doing it until you figure it out. Seems like you've been focusing mainly on the Yi Gong posture.

I think you and CowTao actually agree. I agree with the notion of dying into uncertainty. Spontaneous arising is experienced, and yes, it is like "I don't know" fearless openness to whatever that is. I think CowTao is speaking more on having a right view, like: you should know, that you don't know. Haha! Language is tricky.

How funny, this is just another one of those "I know, and you don't" post. Telling people to stop...