Lucky7Strikes

it sure isn't modeled after a spiritual corporate ladder... @Hardyg :lol:

Same thing?

Dear Body of Light, You've just made another goal for your ego. 3d, 4d, 20d. No matter how high you go, if your attitude is, "oh my god I must climb higher" that's stupid. The whole issue is your goal oriented mind, and the one that says "this is good, that is bad." Chop wood carry water. Nothing as good as that.

Kunlun opens the heart, your mind has to understand what that means. So yes, of course nothing will happen because of just the posture. That's why it's not a trance practice and you can stop any time you want. If things just happened because of that posture without self control, that's be a trance inducement.

Xabir, From what I have read in the past, Krishnamurti is for the head and Osho is for the heart! Thanks for the quotes!

"Seeing things as they are is" a way of being, not necessarily SEEING things as they are. Also, as Xabir noted, I AM experience, the opening of the heart is unmistakeable. It is a direct realization that leads to feeling of timelessness, spacelessness, bliss consciousness. It's not a delusion because...your whole system basically shifts from neuroticism to a centered being. If terms like anatta and emptiness are only understood intellectually without intrinsic experience of life as blissful creation, it can lead to nihilistic tendencies, a egoic excuse. Same with the I AM fixation..it leads to attachment to a state of awareness. One has to see the unity of both, like seeing that space and form are one: form is emptiness and emptiness is form.

Eh? Seems like the only one upset here is you. .

And who will judge whether it is virtuous or not? How will you know if it arises from the so called heart? Unending serenity and peace...lol, how boring.

No one here said he or she was a Buddhist. The four noble truths or the eightfold paths weren't mentioned. This thread is about the nature of self. Also, Buddhism as an institution and a teaching are completely different topics. Yes, institutions that happen to be thousands of years old will have the tendency to be corrupt, have flaws, etc. Buddha, Jesus, Muhammed, Mahavira, Krishna and all the different sages in the past were all seekers like you and me who wanted to seek beyond societal conditions. No reason not to listen to them because they have become popular. Also, you have a very narrow view of Buddhism it seems. One's actions have little to do with showing how enlightened one is. This is precisely the reason why we have all these pretentious new age teacher going around smiling at everyone and pretending to be so nice. Read about the Mahasiddhas of the Tantric lineages and they drank, slept with women, ate meat, lived like beggars. Enlightenment transcends the parochial notions of good and bad. As for the topic going off topic, it was really started by you. Look back on the thread.

If you look through this model of progress, it's basically ending all mode of interpretations of the mind, and its tendency to give legitimacy to "thingness" of things...A complete and fearless opening to what arises, without giving ground to what was, is, or will be. But I hesitate to write things such as "there is no grandiose universal consciousness." It's just that whether there is, or isn't one is an unnecessary supposition. Once you have gone, who is there to know?

Oh, listen to Xabir! .

Suffering does pass. Bodily boundaries disappear and you feel universe. Bliss arises with the realization, sleep begins to disappear you begin to feel more and more awake. The body no longer is bound by hunger. Signs of awakening are unmistakable as consciousness begins to transform. The heart and the central channels open. Death experience arises. The body may disappear altogether. I don't think you have gone through these, much of what you have written comes from the mind. Also, there is no need to say "thank you" or sound so polite when you don't necessarily mean so. Speak honestly as with your feelings. True contemplation ends contemplation. It leads to more and more abstraction. Read through the Madyamika for this.

Keep meditating and erase more and more of the certainty you have behind these concepts of body, mind, spirit. Your original post shows a lot of mental games. I know that it is discouraging someone telling you that what you have figured out through much contemplation is just not "right" or not "directly experienced," but in my experience the experience of awakening consciousness and the heart has/had nothing to do with the contemplative route you have highlighted. Contemplate so that there would no longer be contemplation. .

Much rationality is based on very many false assumptions, like a drawing you draw from arbitrary pictures you draw from terms like "self," "body," "soul," "ego." Find these things in your experience first to see whether they are tangible ideas one can draw ideas from. Because they are mere abstractions of the mind when one investigates them. I don't think you understand why I advocate direct experience. Contemplation is not direct experience, see how you are aware right at this moment without any efforts to analyze, conclude, or make a logical sense of it, and reality can reveal itself to you. You don't figure out reality, it is just revealed to you in all its mystery and uncertainty.

Where is your ego? What is it made of? What is your experience of the "ego"? Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism are not philosophies, they are practices. Do you remove darkness, or does the light simply spark a new being? These sound like mere textbook ideologies. Have you experienced these things? Where does your sickness in a dream go when you've woken up? Do you now cure it when you are awake? Written in stone? Then my body must be a stone? What? Remove the self? How do you remove a dream when you have once awakened??? I love your ideas, but it's just another form of mind play and logical speculation. Simply see reality as is right at this moment. No need for grand designs of the universe or grandiose interpretations of the self. Simplify it to this moment, like sway your hand in the air.

Wu Wei is exactly as you say. To not give a damn about the afterlife. Consider each action is only a stage in cultivation. Ideally, your actions should just flow from your being effortlessly.

I agree! The higher education agenda is dead, as in there is absolutely nothing creative, intuitive, or educational about it. The only reason I find college anyway helpful is meeting people or getting a credential, but then again, I find this to be no justification for wasting shit ton of money and time and energy and youth on doing stuff that is absolutely useless. Critical thinking to a point is useful. But beyond that it's totally god damn unnecessary to spend all that time on it. I ask professors here what they found most valuable in their research and most of them don't say "critical thinking" or "scientific method." They say "creativity," "imagination," "passion" "new way of looking at things" My science teacher flat out laughed at the textbook when it had this whole section on how science advanced through some "method." He said the greatest discoveries were pretty much feats of imagination put to test: it works? Great! A discovery! But we don't learn any of this in today's higher education except in rare occasions when you meet a professor who inspires you. But the whole system at the end of the day is a evaluation system of GPA's, internships, statistics, MONEY and as you say: getting ready to "play the game" getting ready for the rat race. So how can there be any genuine passion for learning anything? The whole system is a lie.

My biology teacher has studied and worked with Margulis and is one of leading biochemists in the country. In class the above mentioned theory on cell evolution was thrown out. Scientists no longer support it, and whatever the talk is here with all this scientific method nonsense, is not understanding that the cell evolution theory is exactly that: a theory.

Yup! The more open you become, holding onto a self becomes much more painful and difficult, but also you see how stupid and unnecessary it is. It's like an addiction your existence has. By the way, great topic! Would be awesome if more experienced practitioners can weigh in too.

Hi Aaron, I hope everything works out for the best. You're absolutely right that just because we have experienced the nature of reality and such, our daily struggles, our past action's fruitions don't just disappear. You see a lot of the truly enlightened being suffer from physical ailments and worldly difficulties. But it will also be a great time for true practice. I mean, who isn't happy when everything is going ok? The true siddhas and sages were usually mendicants for long periods and endured long hardships abandoning life as princes and loyalty to engender true enlightenment when conditions were tough. I'm not saying you should become a mendicant or anything like that, just that it simply doesn't matter. Hope everything turns out ok! Blessings, Lucky

You can call the infinite matrix of consciousness dependencies as God. We make God. Realizing that in the most direct way is to come closest to him...

But the joy and gratitude you feel when you are with people who are good, virtuous, and loving is that much more incredible. Becoming open to those around you is an inevitable effect of any meditation or energy practice.

Thanks for worrying for my sakes. So compassionate. . Heightened awareness, energy, and compassion are legitimate manifestations.

Emotional blockages are lodged in the body. The unconscious in the lower dantien, the mind's obsessiveness in the upper, something like that. You can literally feel them arising from certain parts of the body at times. If you want the details you can look through TCM on how each organ stores varying emotions, but having the mindset of letting go naturally achieves this. Emotions released is pure free joy, you feel creative, you feel like anything is possible and that life is living through you. Happiness is to become choiceless and effortless in that state that's always available to you.