Lucky7Strikes

Your practice becomes a dance after all that screaming, sweating and shaking. .

Don't shape your opinions on a meditation practice through people's personal experiences. It's much more complicated than that. This is like saying people who practice shamata meditation are calm, so you think shamata meditation is just experiencing calmness, which isn't the correct way to put it.

Yes, assumptions and indefinite conclusions are what shapes life. This discussion isn't going anywhere, so I think we can stop. It's just getting annoying. Keep on verifying I'm sure it will bring you wonders. . I am experiencing life in an incredible way I didn't think was possible. I am much more free and joyful day today than I was since I've began practicing and it grows everyday. I see the road to ending suffering and Kunlun speeds up that process for me. It brings my inner conscious attachments out faster than mere contemplative meditations. My experiences, bodily and psychological, correlate with the mystical teachings I encounter in texts. If you want to go through walls and interested in abilities and want verification in that stuff, whatever. If you want to sit in front of your laptop debating whether this claim is true or not before diving into it, ok. Think me deluded, because to you, yes, I am deluded by my own thoughts. To me, you are the one deluded. At the end of the day this is all it comes down to. But know that your path of life is basically a road to old age, suffering, and death: Life's a Bitch then you Die! :lol: Sorry, that last bit was a heavy assumption that you were an materialist, and you know, that's what science says and has "verified" so...

I don't feel frazzled. I feel perfectly awake and blissful.

Huh? Of course they should. Refer to -O-'s story. Some of your analogies aren't appropriate in this discussion. It does. People like you are waiting for some spiritual celebrity. Your talking about national attention, not some attention. Let's say Max goes to a scientist and they see his golden dragon body, runs tests, publishes it. Proves to be true. Are you so naive to know what kind of public upheaveal this would cause? Yes, yes, and yes. As I said before, if you want perfect scientific evidence, go ahead. (By the way, the scientific world is not so definitive as you might believe, much of their findings rely on assumptions and indefinite conclusions.) Wait for them. As for me, I'm going to take the honest words of fellow practitioners, the alchemical texts, and teachings of past masters to be true before humanity finds a way to "measure" them.

If you are filled with Shen, you don't sleep. It's a natural alchemical progression from jing, chi, to shen...

Cool!

Ok, now your just projecting your age old distress over people showcasing abilities...so -O- has posted an example below. Astral Anima's post actually had some nice examples of practitioners displaying abilities. The point that I made was that the purpose of Kunlun is not abilities means exactly that, demonstrations isn't the point. Do you think people after having attained these abilities will now just go around playing with them or display them as basketball players do their fit bodies? You demand scientific verification, which requires one to subject one's life and body to an institution and possible media attention. That's asking for a lot of sacrifice. It CAN be done. Ok? If you want to wait for humanity to catch up, go ahead. Professional athlete and someone showing that he can suddenly make his body transparent are completely different type of exposure.

Do you think that a person in that state feels the coffee cup as an objective reality? Ok, then you can wait until a spiritual practitioner after having attained access to infinite realms and abilities comes to a local laboratory to prove that he is special and this somehow proves to humanity that people can turn into light. I don't doubt that this will happen in the future. So if you want to wait, I guess that's your choice. You know what, I guess you are right. I don't speak for the Kunlun people, I just through all that crap wasn't really constructive to my practice in anyway. The P.R. team that introduced Kunlun had their fair share of problems, so in a way their effort to draw attention had its pros and cons. But there's a difference between showing pictures and having in the book a list of possible side effects (which it also says you should never display or cling to). BTW Max has more crazy photos of aliens and spirits he hasn't shown to the public. My sister jokes that he is a photoshop master . So you think an immortal being of light can do anything he wishes and control everyone? :lol: In my perspective it's perfectly the opposite. You let go of all control, you let go your sense of self, you are in perfect union and harmony with the universe. According to Tibetan traditions, which the rainbow body is based on, the reason birth and creation takes place is ego clinging onto a self and self-entity. The release of that attachment brings one to a primordial creative form, which is the light body. That state is one of constant letting go, constant self-liberation, oneness with the naturalness of the Tao. The Mahasiddhas realize this perfection and the low level siddhis are a byproduct of such realization. When you are in such an open state, your being is open to all those around you, and I speak from experience that you can literally feel the pain of those who are emotionally drained as plainly as if someone touched you on the arm. So unless one has an incredible bodhisattva's dedication to connect to all beings, revealing yourself will take serious balls. You are projecting assumptions of what it means to progress on the spiritual path.

Healing, abilities, energetic manipulation is not the point of my practice nor do I think it is the point of Kunlun. I guess I need to clarify where I'm coming from. I use Kunlun to deepen non-dual emptiness insight, and objectifying experience during such cultivation is detrimental. There is a direct relation during practice between grasping/objectifying and letting go. Kan was already an advanced practitioner before he met Max, and it still took him 7 years. The practice has been out for only a little over 3 years...people are not going to be walking through walls anytime soon .

It's only been three, four years since the system has become public. Give it some time. The system is not earth shatteringly big deal, it just fits today's generation of practitioners. The rainbow body can be attained through non-dual insight meditation. There is a picture of Karmapa in such a state online. So I explained WHY people, at least for me, don't like to write about experiences. They are very difficult to formulate through words in the first place because they are very abstract. The entire phenomena of bliss awareness arises because of one's ungrasping mentality, of letting go, so asking someone in that state to describe it is actually detrimental to that experience itself. Hence people don't describe it or say it's indescribable. I believe that Kan, Max, Diana are not liars or are out there to deceive people that they can turn into light. It simply isn't necessary because the practice already offers so much. I also believe in the Daoist anecdotes of immortals and the sufi mystics, and the Mahasiddha with their miracles. I believe in the non-inherence of reality and so my experience is open to limitless possibilities. Yes. Even on this very forum, Darin Hamel went through the alchemical process outlined in the secrets of the golden flower, a text written thousands of years ago. Read through Taomeow's personal experiences. Read through Winpro's, cats or any of the advanced practitioners on this site. Their experiences match what's been written in the ancient texts and those texts also speak about the supernatural, ascension, etc. If your belief is materialist, as in you believe reality to be purely based on the reality of objects, then that will be the limits of your experience. Your mind must open to possibilities. You have to take those down when it becomes a topic of obsession. It's one thing to show them as sources of inspiration, but it can also conjure desires to become supernatural/superhuman from people attached to those states. Right, and then you'll get media attention. People will become scared of you, some will worship you. Scientists will want to pick you apart and government will censor you. Smart strategy. As I've said again and again, when your body begins to open, you are in direct contact with those around you. So if you are revealing yourself to the world, you better be ready to handle all the energetic attention bestowed on you. This is why yogins go into seclusion for practice.

Guru yoga demands perfect surrender to the guru. Have you done that?

What have you realized? I don't need to know you or your practices. Seeing your posts here the past years is enough to know that whatever your spiritual discipline is you haven't realized it. You surely haven't realized rigpa. If you truly believed in your realization you wouldn't even type in a phrase like "you don't know me or what my practices are." Because that wasn't even the topic at hand. A bit insecure aren't ya?

Actually all those posts were speculations and in the end, Max's claims proved true. Ralis just added fuel to the fire. I had a thread a while back of certain bodily and energetic changes I went through. The bliss is nothing compared to your normal bodily capacity of feeling. You become aware to the point that you cannot sleep. You have enough energy to not eat for days without getting tired, just hydrating yourself is enough. You breathe differently, like at a rate of one-two breaths a minute. You see everything in a field of light, the non-dual awareness that arises extinguishes any feelings of self or other, sense of time and space dissolves. Everything is within the present, there is bliss in every movement. These experiences come and go, but what remains is a newer awareness of life, an effortless awareness. Also Winpro has posted lengthy threads in the past about his experiences, some of which included heat from his hands dissolving his clothes. You have to be aware that practitioners DO NOT LIKE, at least for me, to write about experiences because then the mind objectifies it and attaches onto it, and inevitably seeks it. The non-attachment, the abstract state of mind is what brings about these changes in the first place. All practices are mind based. If you think this can be achieved with only a few years of practice you are expecting a bit too much. Alchemical work takes years and lifetimes. 9 years of penetrating the void...Also everyone's progress is different because their energetic configurations and degree of attachments hinder them. So exactly what kind of "proof" do you demand? Do you want them to contact qualified scientists and ask them to examine them? Because Max does show MRI's of his brain and x rays of his body. According to him, he has gone through medical examination. Those pictures used to be up online until everyone started blabbering nonsense about them, calling the fakes, etc. No real constructive discussion there. Yeah? And how the hell would you gather evidence that your body turned into light?

Then you have no clue what true Guru yoga entails. Max is not a guru, look over my post I made in response to Astral a few pages back.

Kunlun is mostly done on your own. It's not like Max demands people to be in workshops all the time.

Yes, I took long breaks too because the practice just heightened my sense of resistance to certain attachments I had. .

Kan went transparent and those photos were posted online. Everyone thought they were fake. During seminars people have reported Max controlling people's movements and energies. Everyone think they are NLP techniques. So there you go, display of powers. Is that not enough to show the irrelevance of displaying powers?

Yeah? and what do you know about those lineages? What do you know about his teachers? What do you know anything really about his history besides mere internet speculations based on other speculations? The efficacy of the systems everyone who has practiced them has shown to be true. I vow for their efficacy. They give you nightmares? Good! It just shows how much crap you have piled up in your unconscious. Max has mastered the techniques or not? What a great question. Why don't you go ask him since you know, it's his system and all. Or are you going to say to him, oh no I don't think you've mastered it and I know this because.... Oh Ralis, you are so silly.

Good for you. Go on go on. I'm sure you have so much more clues and gifts to offer to others. This is what you are doing.

Ok, then don't practice a spiritual system. No teaching in any field produces perfect results. Such nice critiques..."it's not perfect!"

It's not mental rhetoric. It's the only way our existence makes observable sense. If you believe that you are a material product, then I suggest you seriously reconsider how you view this life, but moreover the worthiness of living this life out that way.

My comment didn't have anything to do with your mother if you took it that way. I wish her the best.

We are projecting together. All suffering is due to oneself. Just as this body is the mind's formulation, so is its creation, suffering and death. Clinging to it as a caused material entity is the foundation for all of its sufferings and illnesses.