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No Sean, David is not a friend of Chang sifu. I'll keep telling you that. He used to be his student for a while, no more. Not a friend of David. David is dying to arrange a meeting between Chang sifu and Jiang because he wants to find a way to go again in Java and see Chang. You are amazing people. Even if Sifu Chang could himself participate to this forum to tell you that he has no more relations with David, you would insist.... You are not into the MoPai anymore, so you don't have the slightest idea of the place that David and all of your bussines holds in Chang's mind. Your ONLY knowledge is what David says to you and you don't listen to other people who are into the MoPai and telling you the truth. Of course Sean you know the truth, but you take your money too for your role in the "gold alchemy/immortality game".... But you should not have an opinion of what is happening in Chang sifu's place, with his students etc. You are not in the position to know. As for Kostas, if you remember in the past in Andrea's forum, he said that you were never was his student in reallity. And you wrote many bad things about him there and for David too. How come you and David became friends, is a very strange thing to consider. The old members of Andrea's forum remember the quarrels of you with David. However, after all that, you took what he offered to you and you changed your mind asking him for forgiveness. So.... Stop telling lies for the MoPai and follow your new teacher without mentioning the MoPai matters, teacher, students etc..... SB ps. the video of Jiang in youtube that ..... "someone" was responsible for the "leaking"...do you want to talk about that open?

Sean and Harry Noone is really attacking David. You speak and advertise him in a thred for some lineage that you are not into. You could do that in another place. I believe that his teachers, or at least some of them really have the goods. I believe that he may be one of the best practisioners out there (I don't believe his is in level 4 though). However, that doesn't give him the excuse to abuse daoism, spirituality etc. Have you ever thought that is you that makes the speculations? That maybe some people here are members of the pai and are personal students of John Chang and can speak from first hand experience about him and his relationship with David? I understant that you want to defent him. But keep in mind that he maybe tells you what he chooses to tell. And I don't think that the continuation of this conversation will do good in their allready bad relationship. Telling that he is a good friend with sifu Chang.....what can I say? He is not. You can believe whatever makes you happy though. About Wang Liping. If he only had 2 tudi in his life (which I don't think is the truth) and one is David who at the same time is the only one who can teach the sen fa of his lineage, so do the maths...That isn't a proof that David is THE man. It only shows that David has the acces to the Westerners, the money etc. It is very logical to give him the wright to teach. More money for him. Wang is a clever one. he knowa that only from the Westerners can make money. If it is so, I don't care about Wang Liping either. This is not about the money. I am not against charging some money at a reasonable cost. I know how things are in life. But spending thousands of euros for reverse breathing and Zhang zhuang along with some "candle daoist hermits".... come on.... You hijacked a thread about something out of your territory only for speaking about david again. This is the realy boring thing and not the other way around. You are so defending about everything that David claims, and you have choose to close your eyes and ears and all of your senses to everything out of your world. This is the meaning of the world "cult" gentlemen and I would be very carefull if I was you..... Keep your eyes open and don't consider David a holy man who speaks the truth and only that..... SB ps1. do you really want to speak for the supposed leaking of Jiang video in youtube? Please.... ps2. How is David a friend with sifu Chang? Have you forgotten what David allready wrote in Andrea's forum and in his? About the quallity of the teachings, if sifu paints his hair black, if he doesn't remember the exercises, that he makes money with other ways etc, that he doesn't have the way to advance in his lineage and many other things about spirits and "into the house matters" that he had no wright to write about?

Thank you very much.

Don't get me wrong I didn't question your knowledge that you took from him, or you in personal. And I don't really care what he teaches or is capable of. I just indicated his views written in books etc, that are not in accordance with the "bullshit" view that he told you... I believe you, that he told you so. Of course everyone after that can make his own conclusions about what anybody says and why. Someone having thousands of students, doesn't give him the wright to say "my teachers are the best and the others sucks" just for marketing purposes.... Anyway It doesn't matter

Frantzis said in an interview in a martial arts magazine, that he can do some things like touching with his hands electric wires with hi voltage etc. In his books he mentions that his teacher could check and manipulate his movements through some small distance. That a teacher from the Yang lineage of Taiji could magnetise a chair with his hands, that Wang Shu Jin could use his chi to heat his students in heavy winters etc. So, what's the truth about his beliefs?

This is a thread about a MoPai student. Nothing more nothing less. If you like to talk about David and his teachings or about immortality, please do it in another thread. On a sidenote, what is happening inside the MoPai it is known only to those who still are into the lineage. People outside the lineage have no knowledge and no authority to speak about. The claim of David as a student of MoPai is not true. You can't be in this lineage and train to other lines too. And you have to respect the teacher if you want to be his student. David's writings in the past about John Chang and all this overexposure about the pai, didn't left any space for David training in MoPai anymore. This is the truth. So, if something is written about the MoPai, Sean you are not in the position to speak like an authority about the Sifu, the teachings, the situation etc. Please stay in your teachings with your teacher and I hope to achieve your goals with the training. Let us respect the original thread and please talk about David in another thread.

Hi Sean I know exactly how things are. Not like that you describe. Life in Java costs nothing for a Westerner. It is very cheap. You just need one or two days there, not 3-4 weeks etc. Chang never charged anything for his teachings and he heals and feeds people for free. Please don't compare different things. I know that this is not the case. Believe me. We'll have to see then. John Chang to China to assist his training to level 5? Ok. Time will show. I'll be here to talk for that again when (if) time comes.... sheng zhen hi In my country the basic salary is 700 euros (of course others are paid with more money) and most of the people work more than 9 hours a day. They have only 15-20 days for vacation. There is a lot of unemployment and most of the people work all day sometimes two jobs to feed their family. Be sure, there is a lot of disipline and hard work for them.... Like David for example? Is he a hard worker? Or should I charge 5.000 euros for zhan zhuang and Taiji? With this way I wouldn't have a trouble too to find money. It is a very good thing that you like your practice so much and that really has some effects in your life. But the measurment of spirituality with money is a completely different animal.... SB

hi to everybody This is my first post. Some things to say... 1)A big thanks to shidoin and to Jim for allowing us to see this film. 2)No. The doors are not open for david's teachings, as previous was written. The doors are open only to wealthy people with lots of money. Not to the average person out there. These teachings has nothing to do with millions of dollars or euro. Nothing. Period. There is no need for excuses about charging someone those big numbers of money... 3)The Greek man's dream was not the same. Sorry. The Greek man never asked for money for his teachings. He just had his own criteria of who could be a part of his teacher's lineage. Plus, his credentials for his titles etc were open to everyone. He had nothing to hide. Now, his book make other people make millions of it, just by "selling" their teachers in rich Westerners in the name of "Magus of Java". Sad.... 4)David is not a student of John Chang anymore. This is common knowledge to everyone in the Mopai. Everything else is just not true. 5)It is very sad everytime that someone writes something about Mopai, etc, David's associates and his "bussines" plans to come to the surface. Neidan is not a copyright of anybody.... The same goes for MoPai. This has nothing to do with David's teachers etc. But you have to know that the "smell" of all these overexposure is not good to most of the serious people and teachers out there.... Once again, thank you Shidoin.

Just to say hi to everyone in this forum . Neijia, daoism and the mystic traditions, are my main interests. You have a very nice place here...