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LOL The 'childlike' attitude Daoism speaks about is a RETURN in which one has to GROW first Otherwise any moron* (stupid) out there would be the perfect daoist ... YM * and suggesting that all viruses are a trivial thing is really a stupid thing ... unless one can proove it

You are either very young or very naive Maybe both YM

Oh yes ! And Mak managed to take a picture of the virus before he distroyed it, you can see the ladies money burned below YM

You are talking theory I am talking practice, so I repeat: can you get an IV of HIV infected blood and show me how HIV virus is trivial to you ? If you can't, all your nice theory is only wishful thinking and nothing else. No matter how good we are, how well we "manipulate qi" - to use your words - there may always be 'energies' (for lack of a better word) better/stronger than us. So any person with a clever mind, daoist or not, would ALWAYS try to avoid risks when they are unnecessary which means that NO VIRUS is trivial in itself. That's an unwise approach, let me tell you. YM

You should enter the "Last Comic Standing" competition, my friend YM

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We did not walk around during Sars simply because density of population in HK is extreme so walking around a few minutes will get you in close contact with LOTS of people. Needless to say, if most people follow this advise the streets are empty and those few moving around are pretty safe ~ taoist protection or not. By the way, just like medicines don't work all the times in all cases there is no perfect protection for anything all the times. So no sane person, daoist or not, would go around looking for troubles. Or else, all daoists in history would have lived a healthy life and died over a 100 ~ while many did not. YM EDIT: if all viruses are a 'trivial' thing, try to get an IV of HIV postive blood and let us know what you do with your daoist practice

funny and very TRUE YM

There are various books on the subject, you may start with this: For Gods, Ghosts and Ancestors The Chinese Tradition of Paper Offerings Janet Lee Scott $30.00s paperback (9780295987187) hardcover not available Published: 2007 Subject Listing: Asian Studies, Anthropology, Religion Bibliographic information: 336 pp., 64 color illus., 6 x 9 in. Territorial rights: Western Hemisphere, UK, Europe Contents Offerings of various kinds - food, incense, paper money, and figures - have been central to Chinese culture for millennia, and as a public, visual display of spiritual belief, they are still evident today in China and in Chinatowns around the world. Using Hong Kong as a case study, Janet Scott looks at paper offerings from every conceivable angle - how they are made, sold, and used. Her comprehensive investigation touches on virtually every aspect of Chinese popular religion as it explores the many forms of these intricate objects, their manufacture, their significance, and their importance in rituals to honor gods, care for ancestors, and contend with ghosts. Throughout For Gods, Ghosts and Ancestors, paper offerings are presented as a vibrant and living tradition expressing worshippers' respect and gratitude for the gods, as well as love and concern for departed family members. Ranging from fake paper money to paper furniture, servant dolls, cigarettes, and toiletries - all multihued and artfully constructed - paper offerings are intended to provide for the needs of those in the spirit world. Readers are introduced to the variety of paper offerings and their uses in worship, in assisting worshippers with personal difficulties, and in rituals directed to gods, ghosts, and ancestors. We learn of the manufacture and sale of paper goods, life in paper shops, the training of those who make paper offerings, and the symbolic and artistic dimensions of the objects. Finally, the book considers the survival of this traditional craft, the importance of flexibility and innovation, and the role of compassion and filial piety in the use of paper offerings. Janet Lee Scott has taught anthropology and sociology at the Chinese University of Hong Kong and Hong Kong Baptist University. She is currently an associate in-research at the Fairbank Center for East Asian Research at Harvard University. "This is the book on practices of making, offering, and consuming ritual paper in the Chinese cultural tradition. . . . the book is a gold mine, providing a wealth of specific information. . . a treasure which will be profitably transformed into intellectual capital by generations of scholars to come." - Journal of Chinese Religions "This is a book that all specialists on Chinese religion, arts, and material culture need to read. For Gods, Ghosts and Ancestors is an excellent source for teaching, both undergraduate and graduate. Scott invested years of research into this project and is the world's leading expert on Chinese paper arts." - James L. Watson, Harvard University

YM

Once Zhuangzi dreamt he was a butterfly, a butterfly flitting and fluttering around, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. He didn't know he was Zhuangzi. Suddenly he woke up and there he was, solid and unmistakable Zhuangzi. But he didn't know if he was Zhuangzi who had dreamt he was a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming he was Zhuangzi. Between Zhuangzi and a butterfly there must be some distinction! This is called the Transformation of Things. Zhuang Zi, tr. Burton Watson 1968

http://www.uni-trier.de/fileadmin/fb2/SIN/...n/toy_thing.pdf YM

I proposed an old and rich lady not for the sex but for the money. This, to use your words, would "speed up the process" YM

Opening a center i.e. setting up a business in a field of one's own interest is of course a legitimate thing. Trying to avoid life responsibilities and doing only what one feels like by way of raising money from donations ("donations" for what, to set up a business ?) to buy lands under one's own name (but wasn't he intersted in meditating ?) and pretending to be a non-profit in buddhist/daoist fields (subjects of which he clearly has no clue) but of course maybe he will get a "Qigong certification" if necessary ... LOL YM

Funny how you openly admit being lazy. Actually more sad than funny ... Move your ass and get yourself a job like everybody else instead of wasting people's time YM PS: as an option, since you seem to be young, find and old and rich lady to marry

Part 1 http://bbs.byscrj.cn/attachment.php?aid=95...mp;t=1239108812 Part 2 http://bbs.byscrj.cn/attachment.php?aid=95...mp;t=1239108812 They are .rar files, let me know if you cannot manage to open them YM

Yes, I am her great-great-grandfather YM

According to Moy's own chart he learned, and became 'lineage holder', under a 12th century person named 'Tien Lung'. And, by the way, there is no 'Tien Lung' (Tian Long) person in the Xiantian Wuji Sect that I know let alone the fact that from the 12th century it's quite a big jump. So the facts are: - Eva Wong claims to be lineage holder of the Xiantian Wuji Sect for her connection to Moy Lin Shin - Moy Lin Shin claimed (in the US) to be lineage holder of that sect because his direct connection to a 12th century 'person' Moy was loosely affiliated with the Yuen Yuen Institute (Xuan Xuan Xue Yuan) here in Hong Kong which is a Quan Zhen / Long Men reformed/lay derivative. Just like our friend Mr. Mak, who claims to be a "celestial master" because some spirits told him so, Moy should have met a 'Tien Lung' in a seance sitting and thus claimed relevant connection to that sect. It is also interesting to note that, apart from all the BS meter these kinds of things raise, the Xiantian Wuji Sect did not exist yet in the 12th century it being a sub-sect of the Xiantian Sect which - this main one - started around that period. But I guess the 'spirit' told him otherwise YM Yes, first of all a FIFTH and not a SECOND generation. Moreover NOT a lineage holder but simply a third generation since NONE of those above her is a lineage holder. Liang Zi Peng is spinning in his grave ... YM

You have to understand that Eva Wong has been claiming the 'Xiantian Wuji" line ever since she was a disciple of the late Moy Lin Shin (of "Taoist Tai Chi" fame). Moy himself had a (very little) connection with a lay Daoist group in Hong Kong but became ipso-facto a great Daoist Master after moving to the US, also claiming to be lineal for the sect in question. So let me attach here a Lineage Chart from the early material of the late Master Moy: Where you can see how he derives his 'Xiantian Wuji" lineage DIRECTLY from a "Tien Lung" (Celestial Dragon of the "13th-14th" century. Does this tell you anything ? YM

AL, I have said more than once that I enjoy Wong's works and I think they are useful and nicely written. But if you tell me that you have a Master Degree from Harvard you have to show me the certification, you cannot expect that I provide you with the whole list of Harvard alumni to disproove it no ? If, then, it seems you have never been to the United States it would seem unlikely that you can have a Harvard Degree, right ? ~ I don't think, for instance, that a "Lineage Holder of the Xiantian Wuji Pai" has ever existed in Hong Kong. So what do you say ? For what Sun Di concerns, one of his masters that I cited (Lee Ying-Arng) was one of my sibak (gongfu uncle) so I am quite sure of what I am saying. If that's not enough I attach here Sun Di's biography from a public source which corroborates what I just told you: YM

AugustLeo, to be "the 19th-generation lineage carrier of Xiantianwujimen" one has be - AT LEAST - disciple of the 18th lineage holder: can we know who would that be ? Moreover, Sun Di NEVER studied Yiquan with its founder but mainly under Liang Zi Peng and, for some time, under Lee Ying-Arng. YM

Or so she claims YM

http://eng.taoism.org.hk/religious-activit...s/pg4-3-1-1.htm http://eng.taoism.org.hk/religious-activit...s/pg4-3-1-2.htm YM

No, WLP doesn't have a website YM

If you feel so, best luck to you YM