Sir Darius the Clairvoyent

Nah, I prefer the spoken word.

No, to rich for that shit 😎;) »how close are you to sweden» identical. Norway, sweden and denmark decided to unite but germany threathened war, so we backed down. 1800s something. Scandinavianism it is called. Gold you say? Scandinavia is overflowing with sacrifised gold pieces and weapons. Like this one, depicting Odin sacrifising his eye for wisdom: (all the germanic tribes originate here, so when they returned from rome they brought it back here. And thew it in the ocean haha). i like native americans as well. Been in a relationship with one as well as lived with a tribe in the Amazon. boat burials, funeral fires and burial mounds? All over the place, but long ago now. Google osaberg ship burial for one of the more spectacular one. The osaberg Buddha is also very curious.

Haha it is so alien to me. I didnt react because i couldnt decide between 😂 and ❤️. I guess its both haha edit: the japanese person told me that Norway and Japan was very similar, only that Japan took it to the extreme. I think it has to do with how we behave in public etc. trust and so on., cleanliness..

Possibly. It is hard to hate on christ. I am looking forward to taking a deeper look into gnosticism.

@Thrice Daily Another curious thing to consider. What happened when the anglo saxons arrived in England? They abbandonded Christ in a heart beat in favour for the old gods. Something similar happened when the Vikings arrived in Ireland. Curiously, the most remote part of Europe didnt accept Christ until they were burned on alive somewhere in the 15/1600s. Arguebly not even then. Åsatro (Ås = aesir/gods, tro = faith) remains the largest faith in Iceland to this very day. Wonder why.

Arent we all? Or maybe we are already great, just have to wash away the layers of dirt… on another note, did you know that christmas was banned in England somewhere in the 1600s for being to pagan? funny how men dressed in the colour of the red and white mushroom, the goat and the evergreen plants keep popping up… «Funny the Chinese, I like them almost as much as the French. As perculiar as they may seem to us Brits, I like them all the same…» I spent some time with this japanese girl this summer. She showed me this: With every step we take, Kyoto to the bay Strollin' so casually We're different and the same, gave you another name Switch up the batteries

Tell me people, here in Norway, for basically every appropiated pagan holyday, we light a huge bond fire. It strikes me as very pagan. Is this the custom in your countries too? not to mention how we were taught in elementary school that the christmas tree was an invention in 1800s germany… good lord we have been brain washed.

You seem like a good guy, Ill give you that.

Here is how it happened in Orkney: According to the Orkneyinga saga, the Northern Isles had been Christianised by King Olaf Tryggvasson in 995 when he stopped at South Walls on his way from Ireland to Norway. The King summoned jarl Sigurd and said "I order you and all your subjects to be baptised. If you refuse, I'll have you killed on the spot and I swear I will ravage every island with fire and steel." Unsurprisingly, Sigurd agreed and the islands became Christian at a stroke.[42]However, when the sagas were written down Orkney had been Christian for 200 years or more[43] and the conversion tale itself has been described as "blatantly unhistorical".[44]Some have argued that when the Norse arrived in the Northern Isles they would have found organised Christianity already thriving there, although there is no mention of this at all in the sagas.[44] As I am not an historian, I should probally refrain from commentig on the the second half, but I do not buy it. Paganism survived a long time after the offical (read: kings) conversation. Additional note: the version of christ that was sold to the germanic people was not the Christ of the bible. It was more akin to some warrior god… «white-christ.»

Before you speak badly about indulgence, id like to invite you to a jul/christmas here in the far north. Drink and eat all you want, the finest qaulity food, friends and family and gift giving. Whats not to like? Kind of reminds me of Valhalla in a way, the hall were the mead and meat never ends. but that is for celebration. Watching porn seven times a day is probally not very healthy. « There is so much mixed in. From the old tribal points of the Germanic and Nordic peoples of old,,, how did the children feel when they looked at the spoils of war return. Bag upon bag of blood spattered gold? Can you imagine seeing the flickering flames of a fire reflecting back of a burnished ornament of Gold, as a teenage boy listening to the cheer of the men that Heroically made it back alive. Can you imagine the thought processes there?» Very much so. The sagas are full of them. How that relates to christianity tho, I do not comprehend. In fact, sounds very, very pagan to me. The kings who converted didnt acctually belive all that jass, that much is clear. They did it for power, money or under force.

So, this is something I have pondered about. I think this is in large part while I struggle to understand the philosophy of the far east: that our languages differs so radically. Here is a list of the world largest families: World language families Indo-European. 2.562 billion. 44.78% Sino-Tibetan. 1.276 billion. 22.28% Niger-Congo. 358 million. 6.26% Afro-Asiatic. 340 million. 5.93% Austronesian. 312 million. 5.45% Dravidian. 222 million. 3.87% Altaic. 145 million. 2.53% Japanese. 123 million. 2.16% In the case of this forum, I assume the overwhelming majority belong to either indo-european or Sino-tibetan. In fact, 66% of the world does. What I want to discuss here, is how this forms our understanding of reality. As the only chinese word I know is Nǐ hǎo (I am not excagerariring, it really is) I will limit myself to talking about some indo european words and its realtion to spirituality. I hope, however, anyone familiar with other languages can share some of their knowledge. So lets look into some indo european concepts: breath and spirit All the following word has or had the double meaning of breath and spirit: - Ånd or varations of it (scandinavia) - spiritus, mens, animus or anima (latin) - Pneuma (greek) - Geist (german) - spirit or mind (english) - Espirit (french) - Atman (sanskrit) Here comes the juiciest part, in my opinion. Atman is a direct cognate to ånd (mentioned above) as well as old english ǽþm and eþian, from where the modern english word breath comes from. Sacrifice «In the creation myth, the first man Manu and his giant twin Yemo are crossing the cosmos, accompanied by the primordial cow. To create the world, Manu sacrifices his brother and, with the help of heavenly deities (the Sky-Father, the Storm-God and the Divine Twins),[43][47] forges both the natural elements and human beings from his remains. Manu thus becomes the first priest after initiating sacrifice as the primordial condition for the world order, and his deceased brother Yemo the first king as social classes emerge from his anatomy (priesthood from his head, the warrior class from his breast and arms, and the commoners from his sexual organs and legs).» So, what we see here is that the world is shaped by a sacrifise. Trough ritual sacrifice to the gods the world is kept in order. Cosmic order and universal reason Wall of text (An interresting note here is that both the term darma as well as karma is derived from rta. Same concept, in other words. Logos is another famous example). Hospitality and reciprocity In proto indo european the words for to give and take was the same word. Likewise for host and guest. This implies a culture of reciprocity (which we also see in sacrifise mentioned above). In ancient greece as well as norse society it was a crime/taboo to not let a wandering stranger stay the night and feed him. We find refferences to this in havamal as well as other places. In Norway it was literal law until somewhere in the 1800s. Tacitus, in his work Germania, likewise remarks on how the germanics both give and take without any guilt, and how the concept of rent is foreign to them. Relationship between mankind and the gods The PIE word for god meant celestial. The word for man meant earthly. You see this reflected in latin homo and humus as well as english (t)human. Another distinction is made, as in Homer for instance, between the imortal gods and mortal men. However, trough acts of superhuman courage, some men could ascend, become gods, achieve everlasting glory. This is what happened to Ceasar for instance. From Havamal (sayings of the high one, aka Odin): 77. Cattle die, | and kinsmen die, And so one dies one's self; But a noble name | will never die, If good renown one gets. 78. Cattle die, | and kinsmen die, And so one dies one's self; One thing now | that never dies, The fame of a dead man's deeds. The serpent slaying myth Long story short: cattle is stolen, Trito (the warrior) goes to a cave and fights a serpent (the word for serpent is negation) or some kind of monster (read: aboriginal), slays the serpent and retrive the cattle. Cattle was to them what money is to us, basically. So Trito is the archetypical warrior. It means, as you can probally tell, third, and has been used as ephitets to both Zeus and Odin. A more mystical interpertation: «According to Martin L. West, the Proto-Indo-European name *Trito('Third') may have been a "poetic or hieratic code-name, fully comprehensible only with specialized knowledge".[33]« Paradise The PIE imagined the afterlife/paradise as a green field/steppe. Not suprisingly, considering they were steppe people Before this, all has been sourced. From here on tho, this is pure speculation. The word eden (paradise) from the bible is borrowed from sumerian. In sumerian, the very same word means steppe. Any connection, do you think? final remarks This thread was suppoused to be about how languages shapes our world view. However, it turned into a monologue on the proto indo europeans, both because I lovd the topic and because I am a rambler… However … I would highly appreciate if some of you could share some concepts from your own language, that would be difficult for a non native to comprehend! ❤️‍🔥

So, this is something I have pondered about. I think this is in large part while I struggle to understand the philosophy of the far east: that our languages differs so radically. Here is a list of the world largest families: World language families Indo-European. 2.562 billion. 44.78% Sino-Tibetan. 1.276 billion. 22.28% Niger-Congo. 358 million. 6.26% Afro-Asiatic. 340 million. 5.93% Austronesian. 312 million. 5.45% Dravidian. 222 million. 3.87% Altaic. 145 million. 2.53% Japanese. 123 million. 2.16% In the case of this forum, I assume the overwhelming majority belong to either indo-european or Sino-tibetan. In fact, 66% of the world does. What I want to discuss here, is how this forms our understanding of reality. As the only chinese word I know is Nǐ hǎo (I am not excagerariring, it really is) I will limit myself to talking about some indo european words and its realtion to spirituality. I hope, however, anyone familiar with other languages can share some of their knowledge. So lets look into some indo european concepts: breath and spirit All the following word has or had the double meaning of breath and spirit: - Ånd or varations of it (scandinavia) - spiritus, mens, animus or anima (latin) - Pneuma (greek) - Geist (german) - spirit or mind (english) - Espirit (french) - Atman (sanskrit) Here comes the juiciest part, in my opinion. Atman is a direct cognate to ånd (mentioned above) as well as old english ǽþm and eþian, from where the modern english word breath comes from. Sacrifice «In the creation myth, the first man Manu and his giant twin Yemo are crossing the cosmos, accompanied by the primordial cow. To create the world, Manu sacrifices his brother and, with the help of heavenly deities (the Sky-Father, the Storm-God and the Divine Twins),[43][47] forges both the natural elements and human beings from his remains. Manu thus becomes the first priest after initiating sacrifice as the primordial condition for the world order, and his deceased brother Yemo the first king as social classes emerge from his anatomy (priesthood from his head, the warrior class from his breast and arms, and the commoners from his sexual organs and legs).» So, what we see here is that the world is shaped by a sacrifise. Trough ritual sacrifice to the gods the world is kept in order. Cosmic order and universal reason Wall of text (An interresting note here is that both the term darma as well as karma is derived from rta. Same concept, in other words. Logos is another famous example). Hospitality and reciprocity In proto indo european the words for to give and take was the same word. Likewise for host and guest. This implies a culture of reciprocity (which we also see in sacrifise mentioned above). In ancient greece as well as norse society it was a crime/taboo to not let a wandering stranger stay the night and feed him. We find refferences to this in havamal as well as other places. In Norway it was literal law until somewhere in the 1800s. Tacitus, in his work Germania, likewise remarks on how the germanics both give and take without any guilt, and how the concept of rent is foreign to them. Relationship between mankind and the gods The PIE word for god meant celestial. The word for man meant earthly. You see this reflected in latin homo and humus as well as english (t)human. Another distinction is made, as in Homer for instance, between the imortal gods and mortal men. However, trough acts of superhuman courage, some men could ascend, become gods, achieve everlasting glory. This is what happened to Ceasar for instance. From Havamal (sayings of the high one, aka Odin): 77. Cattle die, | and kinsmen die, And so one dies one's self; But a noble name | will never die, If good renown one gets. 78. Cattle die, | and kinsmen die, And so one dies one's self; One thing now | that never dies, The fame of a dead man's deeds. The serpent slaying myth Long story short: cattle is stolen, Trito (the warrior) goes to a cave and fights a serpent (the word for serpent is negation) or some kind of monster (read: aboriginal), slays the serpent and retrive the cattle. Cattle was to them what money is to us, basically. So Trito is the archetypical warrior. It means, as you can probally tell, third, and has been used as ephitets to both Zeus and Odin. A more mystical interpertation: «According to Martin L. West, the Proto-Indo-European name *Trito('Third') may have been a "poetic or hieratic code-name, fully comprehensible only with specialized knowledge".[33]« Paradise The PIE imagined the afterlife/paradise as a green field/steppe. Not suprisingly, considering they were steppe people Before this, all has been sourced. From here on tho, this is pure speculation. The word eden (paradise) from the bible is borrowed from sumerian. In sumerian, the very same word means steppe. Any connection, do you think? final remarks This thread was suppoused to be about how languages shapes our world view. However, it turned into a monologue on the proto indo europeans, both because I lovd the topic and because I am a rambler… However … I would highly appreciate if some of you could share some concepts from your own language, that would be difficult for a non native to comprehend! ❤️‍🔥

So, this is something I have pondered about. I think this is in large part while I struggle to understand the philosophy of the far east: that our languages differs so radically. Here is a list of the world largest families: World language families Indo-European. 2.562 billion. 44.78% Sino-Tibetan. 1.276 billion. 22.28% Niger-Congo. 358 million. 6.26% Afro-Asiatic. 340 million. 5.93% Austronesian. 312 million. 5.45% Dravidian. 222 million. 3.87% Altaic. 145 million. 2.53% Japanese. 123 million. 2.16% In the case of this forum, I assume the overwhelming majority belong to either indo-european or Sino-tibetan. In fact, 66% of the world does. What I want to discuss here, is how this forms our understanding of reality. As the only chinese word I know is Nǐ hǎo (I am not excagerariring, it really is) I will limit myself to talking about some indo european words and its realtion to spirituality. I hope, however, anyone familiar with other languages can share some of their knowledge. So lets look into some indo european concepts: breath and spirit All the following word has or had the double meaning of breath and spirit: - Ånd or varations of it (scandinavia) - spiritus, mens, animus or anima (latin) - Pneuma (greek) - Geist (german) - spirit or mind (english) - Espirit (french) - Atman (sanskrit) Here comes the juiciest part, in my opinion. Atman is a direct cognate to ånd (mentioned above) as well as old english ǽþm and eþian, from where the modern english word breath comes from. Sacrifice «In the creation myth, the first man Manu and his giant twin Yemo are crossing the cosmos, accompanied by the primordial cow. To create the world, Manu sacrifices his brother and, with the help of heavenly deities (the Sky-Father, the Storm-God and the Divine Twins),[43][47] forges both the natural elements and human beings from his remains. Manu thus becomes the first priest after initiating sacrifice as the primordial condition for the world order, and his deceased brother Yemo the first king as social classes emerge from his anatomy (priesthood from his head, the warrior class from his breast and arms, and the commoners from his sexual organs and legs).» So, what we see here is that the world is shaped by a sacrifise. Trough ritual sacrifice to the gods the world is kept in order. Cosmic order and universal reason Wall of text (An interresting note here is that both the term darma as well as karma is derived from rta. Same concept, in other words. Logos is another famous example). Hospitality and reciprocity In proto indo european the words for to give and take was the same word. Likewise for host and guest. This implies a culture of reciprocity (which we also see in sacrifise mentioned above). In ancient greece as well as norse society it was a crime/taboo to not let a wandering stranger stay the night and feed him. We find refferences to this in havamal as well as other places. In Norway it was literal law until somewhere in the 1800s. Tacitus, in his work Germania, likewise remarks on how the germanics both give and take without any guilt, and how the concept of rent is foreign to them. Relationship between mankind and the gods The PIE word for god meant celestial. The word for man meant earthly. You see this reflected in latin homo and humus as well as english (t)human. Another distinction is made, as in Homer for instance, between the imortal gods and mortal men. However, trough acts of superhuman courage, some men could ascend, become gods, achieve everlasting glory. This is what happened to Ceasar for instance. From Havamal (sayings of the high one, aka Odin): 77. Cattle die, | and kinsmen die, And so one dies one's self; But a noble name | will never die, If good renown one gets. 78. Cattle die, | and kinsmen die, And so one dies one's self; One thing now | that never dies, The fame of a dead man's deeds. The serpent slaying myth Long story short: cattle is stolen, Trito (the warrior) goes to a cave and fights a serpent (the word for serpent is negation) or some kind of monster (read: aboriginal), slays the serpent and retrive the cattle. Cattle was to them what money is to us, basically. So Trito is the archetypical warrior. It means, as you can probally tell, third, and has been used as ephitets to both Zeus and Odin. A more mystical interpertation: «According to Martin L. West, the Proto-Indo-European name *Trito('Third') may have been a "poetic or hieratic code-name, fully comprehensible only with specialized knowledge".[33]« Paradise The PIE imagined the afterlife/paradise as a green field/steppe. Not suprisingly, considering they were steppe people Before this, all has been sourced. From here on tho, this is pure speculation. The word eden (paradise) from the bible is borrowed from sumerian. In sumerian, the very same word means steppe. Any connection, do you think? final remarks This thread was suppoused to be about how languages shapes our world view. However, it turned into a monologue on the proto indo europeans, both because I lovd the topic and because I am a rambler… However … I would highly appreciate if some of you could share some concepts from your own language, that would be difficult for a non native to comprehend! ❤️‍🔥

So, this is something I have pondered about. I think this is in large part while I struggle to understand the philosophy of the far east: that our languages differs so radically. Here is a list of the world largest families: World language families Indo-European. 2.562 billion. 44.78% Sino-Tibetan. 1.276 billion. 22.28% Niger-Congo. 358 million. 6.26% Afro-Asiatic. 340 million. 5.93% Austronesian. 312 million. 5.45% Dravidian. 222 million. 3.87% Altaic. 145 million. 2.53% Japanese. 123 million. 2.16% In the case of this forum, I assume the overwhelming majority belong to either indo-european or Sino-tibetan. In fact, 66% of the world does. What I want to discuss here, is how this forms our understanding of reality. As the only chinese word I know is Nǐ hǎo (I am not excagerariring, it really is) I will limit myself to talking about some indo european words and its realtion to spirituality. I hope, however, anyone familiar with other languages can share some of their knowledge. So lets look into some indo european concepts: breath and spirit All the following word has or had the double meaning of breath and spirit: - Ånd or varations of it (scandinavia) - spiritus, mens, animus or anima (latin) - Pneuma (greek) - Geist (german) - spirit or mind (english) - Espirit (french) - Atman (sanskrit) Here comes the juiciest part, in my opinion. Atman is a direct cognate to ånd (mentioned above) as well as old english ǽþm and eþian, from where the modern english word breath comes from. Sacrifice «In the creation myth, the first man Manu and his giant twin Yemo are crossing the cosmos, accompanied by the primordial cow. To create the world, Manu sacrifices his brother and, with the help of heavenly deities (the Sky-Father, the Storm-God and the Divine Twins),[43][47] forges both the natural elements and human beings from his remains. Manu thus becomes the first priest after initiating sacrifice as the primordial condition for the world order, and his deceased brother Yemo the first king as social classes emerge from his anatomy (priesthood from his head, the warrior class from his breast and arms, and the commoners from his sexual organs and legs).» So, what we see here is that the world is shaped by a sacrifise. Trough ritual sacrifice to the gods the world is kept in order. Cosmic order and universal reason Wall of text (An interresting note here is that both the term darma as well as karma is derived from rta. Same concept, in other words. Logos is another famous example). Hospitality and reciprocity In proto indo european the words for to give and take was the same word. Likewise for host and guest. This implies a culture of reciprocity (which we also see in sacrifise mentioned above). In ancient greece as well as norse society it was a crime/taboo to not let a wandering stranger stay the night and feed him. We find refferences to this in havamal as well as other places. In Norway it was literal law until somewhere in the 1800s. Tacitus, in his work Germania, likewise remarks on how the germanics both give and take without any guilt, and how the concept of rent is foreign to them. Relationship between mankind and the gods The PIE word for god meant celestial. The word for man meant earthly. You see this reflected in latin homo and humus as well as english (t)human. Another distinction is made, as in Homer for instance, between the imortal gods and mortal men. However, trough acts of superhuman courage, some men could ascend, become gods, achieve everlasting glory. This is what happened to Ceasar for instance. From Havamal (sayings of the high one, aka Odin): 77. Cattle die, | and kinsmen die, And so one dies one's self; But a noble name | will never die, If good renown one gets. 78. Cattle die, | and kinsmen die, And so one dies one's self; One thing now | that never dies, The fame of a dead man's deeds. The serpent slaying myth Long story short: cattle is stolen, Trito (the warrior) goes to a cave and fights a serpent (the word for serpent is negation) or some kind of monster (read: aboriginal), slays the serpent and retrive the cattle. Cattle was to them what money is to us, basically. So Trito is the archetypical warrior. It means, as you can probally tell, third, and has been used as ephitets to both Zeus and Odin. A more mystical interpertation: «According to Martin L. West, the Proto-Indo-European name *Trito('Third') may have been a "poetic or hieratic code-name, fully comprehensible only with specialized knowledge".[33]« Paradise The PIE imagined the afterlife/paradise as a green field/steppe. Not suprisingly, considering they were steppe people Before this, all has been sourced. From here on tho, this is pure speculation. The word eden (paradise) from the bible is borrowed from sumerian. In sumerian, the very same word means steppe. Any connection, do you think? final remarks This thread was suppoused to be about how languages shapes our world view. However, it turned into a monologue on the proto indo europeans, both because I lovd the topic and because I am a rambler… However … I would highly appreciate if some of you could share some concepts from your own language, that would be difficult for a non native to comprehend! ❤️‍🔥

About as much as these guys: https://youtu.be/UDxRad4yZjM?si=Bhfc1rnYWSNYsK7p

Yes, about as much as the... nvm. But the answer is no haha.

It is just a playfull name apech, dont take it to serious

Much love

@Thrice Daily I do not want to ignore you. As @blue eyed snake said, you seem genuine and passionate. But in order to respond to you, I need some help: what exactly do you want my input on?

Lets take a look at four different societies. Three of them described in Graeber and Wengrows "dawn of everything," and one theory put forward in "12.000 med norsk historie." 1. Heroic societies: ("dawn of everything", chapter 8. "IN WHICH WE DESCRIBE HOW (WRITTEN) HISTORY, ANDPROBABLY (ORAL) EPIC TOO, BEGAN: WITH BIG COUNCILSIN THE CITIES, AND SMALL KINGDOMS IN THE HILLS") 2. Indus valley IN WHICH WE CONSIDER WHETHER THE INDUS CIVILIZATION WAS AN EXAMPLE OF CASTE BEFORE KINGSHIP 3. The Indigenous Critique: native Americans as a mirror to European society «I have spent six years reflecting on the state of European society and I still can't think of a single way they act that is not inhuman, and I genuinely think this can only be the case as long as you stick to your distinctions of 'mine' and 'thine'. To imagine one can live in the country of money and preserve one's soul is like imagining one could preserve one's life at the bottom of a lake.»Kondiaronk, Huron chief, 1600s https://www.shortform.com/blog/indigenous-critique/ So, all the above is from "the dawn of everything by Wengrow and Graeber. The central thesis is that there is no "state of nature." Societies are not predetermined to develop a certain way, they are built consciously and vary greatly. Truth be told, the book as attracted some criticism, but make up your own mind. 4. Scandianavian trust based societies Alright, now I am entering etnocentric and politically iucorrect territory. but fact is, the Scandinavian countries do have the highest amount of social trust of all nations on the plant. Sturla Ellingsvåg, who is a genetics and historian who have done research with Max Planc institute, David Reich lab at harward and Kristian Kristiansen at the university of Copenhagen (all this to say, he knows what he is talking about), put the high degree of trust down to genetic heritage from the Scandinavian hunter gatherers. There were simply no way to survive in an environment like Scandinavia with out it. Edit: continuation: it is also interresting how he argues for the Aesir being the indo euro invaders, vanir the early european farmers and jotuns the scandinavian hunter gatherers. The aesir are certainly a so called heroic society, the vanir asscociated with fertility and probally more egalitarian. edit two: ill refrain from making any value judgement. To me, they are all just different expressions of culture, each with their pros and cons. I do not want to be a slave in Mesopotamia, nor do I want to be invaded by the indo europeans. Allthough… the hunther gatherer life style strikes me as quite romantic.

«Og den som sier disse ord, den er fisens ekte mor»

To be blunt @Thrice Daily, I do not allways follow your train of thoughts.

If not they beat it to death to cleanse IT of THEIR sins, I can't recall. How was it, @Daniel?

First of all, let me say that I know way to little about your philosophy/tradition/religion/system. I hope you'll forgive any potential misunderstanding of your faith. I find a lot of beauty and wisdom in your system. One thing I am a little uncertain about tho, is the focus on suffering, and all the energy that goes into avoiding it. That suffering is part of life is absolutely undeniable. However, I wonder, if this perspective possibly hinders your from experiencing all the beauty of life? Again, I might be totally misunderstanding your way of life, and would really appreciate if someone could clarify.

@Daniel I smell some uncleared air here, may I reccomend leviticus 16 so that we once again can find peace within the community?