Sir Darius the Clairvoyent

@Nungali I would never tell you what to do, but dont you think it is time to… well, let put it this way: no amount of reason, Logic or arguments is going to Get trough.

In certian areas of the capital of Norway, it is going in the same direction.

I could answer you, but I wont. I think you and I both know why this is the case. Here we call it «svenske tilstander.» translates to swedish conditions.

So, this is something I have pondered about. I think this is in large part while I struggle to understand the philosophy of the far east: that our languages differs so radically. Here is a list of the world largest families: World language families Indo-European. 2.562 billion. 44.78% Sino-Tibetan. 1.276 billion. 22.28% Niger-Congo. 358 million. 6.26% Afro-Asiatic. 340 million. 5.93% Austronesian. 312 million. 5.45% Dravidian. 222 million. 3.87% Altaic. 145 million. 2.53% Japanese. 123 million. 2.16% In the case of this forum, I assume the overwhelming majority belong to either indo-european or Sino-tibetan. In fact, 66% of the world does. What I want to discuss here, is how this forms our understanding of reality. As the only chinese word I know is Nǐ hǎo (I am not excagerariring, it really is) I will limit myself to talking about some indo european words and its realtion to spirituality. I hope, however, anyone familiar with other languages can share some of their knowledge. So lets look into some indo european concepts: breath and spirit All the following word has or had the double meaning of breath and spirit: - Ånd or varations of it (scandinavia) - spiritus, mens, animus or anima (latin) - Pneuma (greek) - Geist (german) - spirit or mind (english) - Espirit (french) - Atman (sanskrit) Here comes the juiciest part, in my opinion. Atman is a direct cognate to ånd (mentioned above) as well as old english ǽþm and eþian, from where the modern english word breath comes from. Sacrifice «In the creation myth, the first man Manu and his giant twin Yemo are crossing the cosmos, accompanied by the primordial cow. To create the world, Manu sacrifices his brother and, with the help of heavenly deities (the Sky-Father, the Storm-God and the Divine Twins),[43][47] forges both the natural elements and human beings from his remains. Manu thus becomes the first priest after initiating sacrifice as the primordial condition for the world order, and his deceased brother Yemo the first king as social classes emerge from his anatomy (priesthood from his head, the warrior class from his breast and arms, and the commoners from his sexual organs and legs).» So, what we see here is that the world is shaped by a sacrifise. Trough ritual sacrifice to the gods the world is kept in order. Cosmic order and universal reason Wall of text (An interresting note here is that both the term darma as well as karma is derived from rta. Same concept, in other words. Logos is another famous example). Hospitality and reciprocity In proto indo european the words for to give and take was the same word. Likewise for host and guest. This implies a culture of reciprocity (which we also see in sacrifise mentioned above). In ancient greece as well as norse society it was a crime/taboo to not let a wandering stranger stay the night and feed him. We find refferences to this in havamal as well as other places. In Norway it was literal law until somewhere in the 1800s. Tacitus, in his work Germania, likewise remarks on how the germanics both give and take without any guilt, and how the concept of rent is foreign to them. Relationship between mankind and the gods The PIE word for god meant celestial. The word for man meant earthly. You see this reflected in latin homo and humus as well as english (t)human. Another distinction is made, as in Homer for instance, between the imortal gods and mortal men. However, trough acts of superhuman courage, some men could ascend, become gods, achieve everlasting glory. This is what happened to Ceasar for instance. From Havamal (sayings of the high one, aka Odin): 77. Cattle die, | and kinsmen die, And so one dies one's self; But a noble name | will never die, If good renown one gets. 78. Cattle die, | and kinsmen die, And so one dies one's self; One thing now | that never dies, The fame of a dead man's deeds. The serpent slaying myth Long story short: cattle is stolen, Trito (the warrior) goes to a cave and fights a serpent (the word for serpent is negation) or some kind of monster (read: aboriginal), slays the serpent and retrive the cattle. Cattle was to them what money is to us, basically. So Trito is the archetypical warrior. It means, as you can probally tell, third, and has been used as ephitets to both Zeus and Odin. A more mystical interpertation: «According to Martin L. West, the Proto-Indo-European name *Trito('Third') may have been a "poetic or hieratic code-name, fully comprehensible only with specialized knowledge".[33]« Paradise The PIE imagined the afterlife/paradise as a green field/steppe. Not suprisingly, considering they were steppe people Before this, all has been sourced. From here on tho, this is pure speculation. The word eden (paradise) from the bible is borrowed from sumerian. In sumerian, the very same word means steppe. Any connection, do you think? final remarks This thread was suppoused to be about how languages shapes our world view. However, it turned into a monologue on the proto indo europeans, both because I lovd the topic and because I am a rambler… However … I would highly appreciate if some of you could share some concepts from your own language, that would be difficult for a non native to comprehend! ❤️‍🔥

I havent had the pleasure to see it my self, but my god is old Egypt awe inspiring.

How about dragons, eagles and ravens? Is there a deeper meaning to this?

O mi Iesu, dimitte nobis debita nostra, salva nos ab igne inferni, perduc in caelum omnes animas, praesertim eas, quae misericordiae tuae maxime indigent.

This is some thing I know nothing about. I know a fair bit about the origins of germanics, celts and latins, but zero on Europes largrst etnic group: the slavs. Can you enlighten me, please?

Allow me to take on my tinfoil hat, but does it relate to babtism in anyway?

Yes, because dutch is what i had in mind when I said «my own language» of «eastern language»

@Cobie but good lord, you cant just throw Out stats like that an assume it is due to christianity. Are you familiar with statistics at all? sorry, but this is just dumb

Apperantley some eastern languages has loads of terms for conciousness? Mine have only one.

F it, allow me to share one more. This one kind of blows my mind. Two creation stories, one recorded in India 1200 bc and one in Iceland 1200 ad. Rigveda 10:129 (trans. Doniger): There was neither non-existence nor existence then there was neither the realm of space nor the sky which is beyond... There was neither death nor immortality then. There was no distinguishing sign of night nor of day Völuspá(trans. Bellows): Sea nor cool waves nor sand there were Earth had not been, nor heaven above, But a yawning gap, and grass nowhere Listen to it in old norse here, english translation bottom right:

And another one. The words for wheel and horse are cognates in every single indo european language, and there are 450 of them!

On a slightly related related note (drugs and herbs and drinks asscociated with indo europeans): - coffe addiction - spread and use of weed https://www.newscientist.com/article/2096440-founders-of-western-civilisation-were-prehistoric-dope-dealers/ (Credit nungali) - «the elixir of life» - warrior drug (Haoma, mead of poetry, soma, henbane among others) In the Rig Veda, Indra is guardian of the weather and victory in battle earning the title sahasra-mushka, 'the one with a thousand testicles' (Rig Veda 6.45.3),Ref. for violent speed freak : Rig Veda (4.42.1-6), Indra ; "Men who ride swiftly, having good horses, call on me when surrounded in battle. I, the bountiful Indra, provoke strife. I whirl up the dust, my strength is overwhelming... . No godlike power can check me - I who am unassailable. When draughts of Soma, when songs have made me frenzied, then both the unbounded regions are filled with fear." (Again, credit @Nungali) and listen to this, from the eddas and the vedas respectivley: (Off-topic, I know, but kind of fun)

The cha route. My favoirite tea is chai tea (no joke, thats what we call it). this one!

Good luck trying to draw a cautation between decline of christianity in Europe to increased crime. I somehow feel there might be other factors at play.

The various terms for soul in germanic languages like wise come from ocean.

Nah, I prefer the spoken word.

No, to rich for that shit 😎;) »how close are you to sweden» identical. Norway, sweden and denmark decided to unite but germany threathened war, so we backed down. 1800s something. Scandinavianism it is called. Gold you say? Scandinavia is overflowing with sacrifised gold pieces and weapons. Like this one, depicting Odin sacrifising his eye for wisdom: (all the germanic tribes originate here, so when they returned from rome they brought it back here. And thew it in the ocean haha). i like native americans as well. Been in a relationship with one as well as lived with a tribe in the Amazon. boat burials, funeral fires and burial mounds? All over the place, but long ago now. Google osaberg ship burial for one of the more spectacular one. The osaberg Buddha is also very curious.

Haha it is so alien to me. I didnt react because i couldnt decide between 😂 and ❤️. I guess its both haha edit: the japanese person told me that Norway and Japan was very similar, only that Japan took it to the extreme. I think it has to do with how we behave in public etc. trust and so on., cleanliness..

Possibly. It is hard to hate on christ. I am looking forward to taking a deeper look into gnosticism.

@Thrice Daily Another curious thing to consider. What happened when the anglo saxons arrived in England? They abbandonded Christ in a heart beat in favour for the old gods. Something similar happened when the Vikings arrived in Ireland. Curiously, the most remote part of Europe didnt accept Christ until they were burned on alive somewhere in the 15/1600s. Arguebly not even then. Åsatro (Ås = aesir/gods, tro = faith) remains the largest faith in Iceland to this very day. Wonder why.

Arent we all? Or maybe we are already great, just have to wash away the layers of dirt… on another note, did you know that christmas was banned in England somewhere in the 1600s for being to pagan? funny how men dressed in the colour of the red and white mushroom, the goat and the evergreen plants keep popping up… «Funny the Chinese, I like them almost as much as the French. As perculiar as they may seem to us Brits, I like them all the same…» I spent some time with this japanese girl this summer. She showed me this: With every step we take, Kyoto to the bay Strollin' so casually We're different and the same, gave you another name Switch up the batteries

Tell me people, here in Norway, for basically every appropiated pagan holyday, we light a huge bond fire. It strikes me as very pagan. Is this the custom in your countries too? not to mention how we were taught in elementary school that the christmas tree was an invention in 1800s germany… good lord we have been brain washed.