Sir Darius the Clairvoyent

Let me start by a disclaimer: this is very tinfoil! BUT a page or two ago, I reccomended a video to Nungali. In that video, they mention how Herodotus had zero knowledge of the jews… they speculate that proto jews might be mentioned, tho: Herodotus, 8.3.1-3 Theory goes, somekind of hellenistic seapeople who got relocated after the defeat to Egypt, mixed with the local tribes and… that than became the jews. But again, crackpot theory. Also, you mention how Mecca was prob not a muslim center at the beginning, I think you right: I belive most modern scholars think it was actually Petra.

Damn, looks superior to Whats available at my closest grocery store.

This might border on bigotry, but I legit sometimes ponder how enviorments like these would affect culture and religion. Today it rained 189mm in my city… how could I possibly imagine the dessert. Competition was probally quite a bit fiercer. On the pluss side tho, I feel time somehow «moves more slowly» there, and they are less probe to get caught up by all the silly things we wonder about. Instead, my perception (which is based on literally nothing but prejudige) is that they spent more time focusing on the larger questions, like mans role in the universe.

No not at all. If it didnt happen, they did not eat anything. They had no more need for food than Casper the friendly ghost. But maybe you could check Out beduin diet? If it did happen, I guess it would be something like that.

There is literally zero evidence of the exodus. And I mean zero. Not even an indication that it did happen… other then the book of exodus ofc. Circle.

This I like. As for a doctrine being «necesarry» for developing virtue (reffering to your first 4-6 paragraphs), I think I have heard similar refferences in other religions. That is: for the masses practise and «dogma» is neccesary, but when/if you come to realize the more esoteric teachings, they are no longer of use? Sort of being a gateway, in a way?

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What a scientific and open minded approach, haha..

@Nungali I know you are a little sceptical to YouTube, but I think youll actually might enjoy this: It is about how judaism (or at the very least, OT) is either a persian or hellenistic construct (or both), based on research by the school of copenhagen. One argument I found really compelling, is the almost, if not complete, lack of historians mentioning Israel prior to the hellenistic era. Think about the areas Herodotus mentioned: phoenicians, assyrians, and egyptians (all their neighboors), and even far away people such as the arabs, India, Ethiopia and hyperborrea. Despite this, he seems to have no idea that jews existed. I am considering checking out some of the books they refference. no pressure

Apoligies, I know this is a little lazy, but I come from Europe and know basically nothing about this philosophy (is it a philosophy?). Would anyone mind giving me a quick insight of the essence of it?

How can you say this so casually haha

Sorry, I thought it was a documentary of exodus. No, seouriosly Daniel, it was just an assosiation for the laughs.

Very good post my Friend. On this part, I was just thinking about how the light bringer, in a very literal sense, was regarded in comparison to another light bringer, in a more metaphorical sense. you know, the fruit and the serpent and the fire and all that.

Just as an thought experiment. One late october night under the influence of a funny mushroom, my friend told me about his conviction of the excistence of God. I very much agree, but that is beyond the point. I then asked him: why did god create us. He went in to deep thought. After a while he said everyone want someone to take care of, to be responsible for. Beautifull, isnt? My suggestion was that maybe god is playing music. Creativity is… well, it is that whitch creates. And it is great fun. Then we have this point of view from Alan Watts: So, dear bums, magicians and beautifull apes, why are we here?

First of all, let me say that I know way to little about your philosophy/tradition/religion/system. I hope you'll forgive any potential misunderstanding of your faith. I find a lot of beauty and wisdom in your system. One thing I am a little uncertain about tho, is the focus on suffering, and all the energy that goes into avoiding it. That suffering is part of life is absolutely undeniable. However, I wonder, if this perspective possibly hinders your from experiencing all the beauty of life? Again, I might be totally misunderstanding your way of life, and would really appreciate if someone could clarify.

For those who dont know what I am talking about, they are the only independent jewish state since Judah and Israel about 500bc, I think, and the modern state of Israel. They have a very curious location however, just north of the black sea. How did this come to happen? @Daniel, you know something?

I did notice it, and I belive you (or rather, your source)… but it is still so mindblowing that it was THAT late, considering what we teach our 8-9 year olds at school..

I dont know. Lets make it easy: how old is the earliest examplare of the old testament.

So… when about do we have the first, actual example of the torah?

This is a fun one: 6.2.3 || 3. That Existence decided: ‘I shall be many. I shall be born.’ He then created fire. That fire also decided: ‘I shall be many. I shall be born.’ Then fire produced water. That is why whenever or wherever a person mourns or perspires, he produces water. https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/chandogya-upanishad-english/d/doc239262.html In norse tradition, humans are sort of the middle point between the gods and the forces of chaos, their job being to fight against chaos, If you will allow a very speculative interpertation. @Nungali what went down in zoroastrian myth? Also… and this is yet another subject I know nothing about, but in enuma elish, man is created to be… slaves, basically? Part of me feels this is social engineering on another level, but no comment. The biblical version is kind of like prometheus but in reverse, is it not?

Ive lost count on how many things you have said you will come back to before starting an entirely new conversation