Sir Darius the Clairvoyent

Well, Jesuses platonic/monist view of God stands in stark contrast to the jewish god, Yahwe.

Agree 100%. But much of his none violence teachings i belive is historical, as this was written in a time where the jews constantly rebeled against the romans, and the romans slaughtered them in return. That led to some adopting a pascifist attitude, as a way to rebel without getting killed

I think i can, espacially considering it in how it goes against the jewish tradition he grew up in: Gnostic gospel of Thomas compared with the canonical once: https://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Fac/Suydam/Reln225/GospelThomas.htm on the trinity/monism «i and the father is one» «I am the alpha and omega» «Holiness, as taught in the Scriptures, is not based upon knowledge on our part. Rather, it is based upon the resurrected Christ in-dwelling us and changing us into His likeness» A.W. Tozer «In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God» (NB: replace the word «word» with logos, witch is what was used in the original gospel. It translates to Word or speech, yes, but has a whole different meaning as well: some sort of universal reason/nature. Sermon of the mount: matthew 5 and 6 John 8: his last words on the cross: father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. And cor 3:14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.

Back to Jesus. Jesus in India? I doubt it. But that the Jesus Persona was influenced by myths like that of Mithras for example, i think an indirect connection is not to far fetched

Btw, i was TOLD once by a Norwegian hindu, that the best way to understand norse Paganism was by getting familiar with hinduism, as in their earlier forms they would have been fairly closely connected, all euro pagan tradition have been exterminated and the few sources we have from the late medival. swatzika, the wheel etc was common symbolism in both cultures. Jul is what we call the winter solstice for example, whitch means wheel. The word for wheel are cognates in every single indo-euro language. Trundholm sun chariot, 1500-1300 bce: further more we have a good amount do evidence of europeans in south and central Asia, and when you look at heraclits philosophy i think it is pretty buddhist, and they would have been around at the exact same time.

It is at least very likley that the pre Christian and muslim populations of Persia and Europe enganged in it. The Sufis, for example. Some ambient structures that seem to be made for the ambience and making mantras. And for many, prayer is a form for meditations as well. Greagorian chants could maybe also be considered mediatqtion? Or maybe just sitting alone on a mountain top, watching the landscape in silence, witch is a very popular activity in my part of the world. And findings like the osaberg Buddha: Found in the osaberg ship burial from the 8th century i belive (Norway). One of the more famous works from the roman times, is the diary of emperor Aurialies. It was given the tittle meditations when discovered and published. Reason being that "Meditation" means inner reflection or thought. Maybe not the exact same as the eastern version, but i see similarities.

You got two pages of polite explanation, and you respond to none of it. I probally shouldnt bother getting involved in this, as nothing could change your mind, but If a text says curses the jews nine times you can fairly conclude that they dont have the friendliest attitude towards the people they are cursing, right. I understand that there are a long history and political situation that might make this a hot-topic, but come on… it is clear that you dont ever change your mind, and are not acctually having an open attitude and a willingness to learn. I think you should apologies to Vanja, but i know you wont… youll just keep on wasting others time with word salads

You are doing a great job, @Vajra Mind. It i not often you see these topics discussed openly by people with understanding of the faith. I belive that the lack of open discussion is a way bigger danger then any text or religion itself.

Listen, point is, that yes violence is undeniable. So is the evils commited by the church. But trying to compare the message of christ to that of the torah or Muhammed, is dishonest to the point of being funny. Humans are capable of evil, no doubt. Christians as, of course. Jews and muslims can be 100% cool and chill, but the values of the faith are pretty much total opposites of that of christ.

I do not belive the teachings of christ are violent, on the contrary acctually. Human history is bloody no doubt, but Jesus… a really chill fellow

I agree, i genuinley belives he has a good hearth, but constantly being told to educate yourself and being in complete denial on certain topics, does Get frustating

6) accuses everyone of bias but never admits to being wrong 7) triggered by Buddha

I dont doubt that for a second

Guess it depends on what culture and millenia you are from. From most of the modern worlds perspective it is pretty fed up to order a man to sacrifice his child, kill animal because Yahwe finds it funny or tax infidiels until you can convert them by sword. Chosen people, gentiles and destroying everyone when you feel like it is pretty nazi as welll. It is really not. I am not going to pretend that i dont find the torah and quran very untastefull, but im not used to people basing their identity around… well, stories

You just qouted me about of intolerant and hatefull and primitive verses from the torah yourself (it is a reason it is called the old testament). I am not even Christian, but i dont see why Your go to response to murder snd jizra would be: but we are even more hatefull.

Thats the point, two very intolerant religions

They also assert that the only even somewhat tolarable disbislivers are the christisns so… I do not understand why you go to such length trying to defend the most anti jewish religion in history. And: but then again, judaism and islam is quite similar, so maybe thats why

okay, this is just a short selection, but it gives you are pretty good sense of christianities view on the jewish faith. Sorry, but it is what it is:

You could say that «the sorces are bad,» and acadenics doesnt allways know what they are talking about. And that is true, but that goes for jews aswell

Well, he did reject loads of aspects of judaism for one thing… basically put it upside down… and we have more of his teaching then any jewish prophet so..

In her book by that very name, Francesca Stavrakopoulu argues that the biblical God is very much a flesh and blood human, some sort of a king-priest. Gen 18:1-2 is a good example: Or Gen 1:26-27, showing that either God is man like or man is God like: Even more direct: «a likeness with the appearance of a man” (Ezekiel 1:26). Later on, editors and translates would clean up the language, making (what she claims is) straight forward physical descriptions sounds more like metaphors. «Walking with God» for example, means in her opinion, exactly what it says. Yahwe would, according to her, would be one of many in the region, and each time a city or people fell or got conquered their god would be «dethroned.» I am no expert, and i will not do her book, or the bible, any justice. She covers body part by body part in her book. 800bc, Sinai, Kuntillet Ajrud Belived to depict Yahwe, his staff and wife, the godess Ashera. https://www.amazon.com/God-Anatomy-Francesca-Stavrakopoulou/dp/0525520457

Daniel, my honest impression is that people here like you, but to be a little direct: you do have a tendecy to take thing personally and unwillingness to move on. Im sorry, but that is my impression. Early on we had a good tone, and im honestly gratefull for the responses you gave me. I have nothing against you and i hope it is mutual.

What is an immortal in this setting?

This turned in to some spiritual warfare stuff