Sir Darius the Clairvoyent

Yes, because dutch is what i had in mind when I said «my own language» of «eastern language»

@Cobie but good lord, you cant just throw Out stats like that an assume it is due to christianity. Are you familiar with statistics at all? sorry, but this is just dumb

Apperantley some eastern languages has loads of terms for conciousness? Mine have only one.

F it, allow me to share one more. This one kind of blows my mind. Two creation stories, one recorded in India 1200 bc and one in Iceland 1200 ad. Rigveda 10:129 (trans. Doniger): There was neither non-existence nor existence then there was neither the realm of space nor the sky which is beyond... There was neither death nor immortality then. There was no distinguishing sign of night nor of day Völuspá(trans. Bellows): Sea nor cool waves nor sand there were Earth had not been, nor heaven above, But a yawning gap, and grass nowhere Listen to it in old norse here, english translation bottom right:

And another one. The words for wheel and horse are cognates in every single indo european language, and there are 450 of them!

On a slightly related related note (drugs and herbs and drinks asscociated with indo europeans): - coffe addiction - spread and use of weed https://www.newscientist.com/article/2096440-founders-of-western-civilisation-were-prehistoric-dope-dealers/ (Credit nungali) - «the elixir of life» - warrior drug (Haoma, mead of poetry, soma, henbane among others) In the Rig Veda, Indra is guardian of the weather and victory in battle earning the title sahasra-mushka, 'the one with a thousand testicles' (Rig Veda 6.45.3),Ref. for violent speed freak : Rig Veda (4.42.1-6), Indra ; "Men who ride swiftly, having good horses, call on me when surrounded in battle. I, the bountiful Indra, provoke strife. I whirl up the dust, my strength is overwhelming... . No godlike power can check me - I who am unassailable. When draughts of Soma, when songs have made me frenzied, then both the unbounded regions are filled with fear." (Again, credit @Nungali) and listen to this, from the eddas and the vedas respectivley: (Off-topic, I know, but kind of fun)

The cha route. My favoirite tea is chai tea (no joke, thats what we call it). this one!

Good luck trying to draw a cautation between decline of christianity in Europe to increased crime. I somehow feel there might be other factors at play.

The various terms for soul in germanic languages like wise come from ocean.

Nah, I prefer the spoken word.

No, to rich for that shit 😎;) »how close are you to sweden» identical. Norway, sweden and denmark decided to unite but germany threathened war, so we backed down. 1800s something. Scandinavianism it is called. Gold you say? Scandinavia is overflowing with sacrifised gold pieces and weapons. Like this one, depicting Odin sacrifising his eye for wisdom: (all the germanic tribes originate here, so when they returned from rome they brought it back here. And thew it in the ocean haha). i like native americans as well. Been in a relationship with one as well as lived with a tribe in the Amazon. boat burials, funeral fires and burial mounds? All over the place, but long ago now. Google osaberg ship burial for one of the more spectacular one. The osaberg Buddha is also very curious.

Haha it is so alien to me. I didnt react because i couldnt decide between 😂 and ❤️. I guess its both haha edit: the japanese person told me that Norway and Japan was very similar, only that Japan took it to the extreme. I think it has to do with how we behave in public etc. trust and so on., cleanliness..

Possibly. It is hard to hate on christ. I am looking forward to taking a deeper look into gnosticism.

@Thrice Daily Another curious thing to consider. What happened when the anglo saxons arrived in England? They abbandonded Christ in a heart beat in favour for the old gods. Something similar happened when the Vikings arrived in Ireland. Curiously, the most remote part of Europe didnt accept Christ until they were burned on alive somewhere in the 15/1600s. Arguebly not even then. Åsatro (Ås = aesir/gods, tro = faith) remains the largest faith in Iceland to this very day. Wonder why.

Arent we all? Or maybe we are already great, just have to wash away the layers of dirt… on another note, did you know that christmas was banned in England somewhere in the 1600s for being to pagan? funny how men dressed in the colour of the red and white mushroom, the goat and the evergreen plants keep popping up… «Funny the Chinese, I like them almost as much as the French. As perculiar as they may seem to us Brits, I like them all the same…» I spent some time with this japanese girl this summer. She showed me this: With every step we take, Kyoto to the bay Strollin' so casually We're different and the same, gave you another name Switch up the batteries

Tell me people, here in Norway, for basically every appropiated pagan holyday, we light a huge bond fire. It strikes me as very pagan. Is this the custom in your countries too? not to mention how we were taught in elementary school that the christmas tree was an invention in 1800s germany… good lord we have been brain washed.

You seem like a good guy, Ill give you that.

Here is how it happened in Orkney: According to the Orkneyinga saga, the Northern Isles had been Christianised by King Olaf Tryggvasson in 995 when he stopped at South Walls on his way from Ireland to Norway. The King summoned jarl Sigurd and said "I order you and all your subjects to be baptised. If you refuse, I'll have you killed on the spot and I swear I will ravage every island with fire and steel." Unsurprisingly, Sigurd agreed and the islands became Christian at a stroke.[42]However, when the sagas were written down Orkney had been Christian for 200 years or more[43] and the conversion tale itself has been described as "blatantly unhistorical".[44]Some have argued that when the Norse arrived in the Northern Isles they would have found organised Christianity already thriving there, although there is no mention of this at all in the sagas.[44] As I am not an historian, I should probally refrain from commentig on the the second half, but I do not buy it. Paganism survived a long time after the offical (read: kings) conversation. Additional note: the version of christ that was sold to the germanic people was not the Christ of the bible. It was more akin to some warrior god… «white-christ.»

Before you speak badly about indulgence, id like to invite you to a jul/christmas here in the far north. Drink and eat all you want, the finest qaulity food, friends and family and gift giving. Whats not to like? Kind of reminds me of Valhalla in a way, the hall were the mead and meat never ends. but that is for celebration. Watching porn seven times a day is probally not very healthy. « There is so much mixed in. From the old tribal points of the Germanic and Nordic peoples of old,,, how did the children feel when they looked at the spoils of war return. Bag upon bag of blood spattered gold? Can you imagine seeing the flickering flames of a fire reflecting back of a burnished ornament of Gold, as a teenage boy listening to the cheer of the men that Heroically made it back alive. Can you imagine the thought processes there?» Very much so. The sagas are full of them. How that relates to christianity tho, I do not comprehend. In fact, sounds very, very pagan to me. The kings who converted didnt acctually belive all that jass, that much is clear. They did it for power, money or under force.

About as much as these guys: https://youtu.be/UDxRad4yZjM?si=Bhfc1rnYWSNYsK7p

Yes, about as much as the... nvm. But the answer is no haha.

It is just a playfull name apech, dont take it to serious

Much love

@Thrice Daily I do not want to ignore you. As @blue eyed snake said, you seem genuine and passionate. But in order to respond to you, I need some help: what exactly do you want my input on?

Lets take a look at four different societies. Three of them described in Graeber and Wengrows "dawn of everything," and one theory put forward in "12.000 med norsk historie." 1. Heroic societies: ("dawn of everything", chapter 8. "IN WHICH WE DESCRIBE HOW (WRITTEN) HISTORY, ANDPROBABLY (ORAL) EPIC TOO, BEGAN: WITH BIG COUNCILSIN THE CITIES, AND SMALL KINGDOMS IN THE HILLS") 2. Indus valley IN WHICH WE CONSIDER WHETHER THE INDUS CIVILIZATION WAS AN EXAMPLE OF CASTE BEFORE KINGSHIP 3. The Indigenous Critique: native Americans as a mirror to European society «I have spent six years reflecting on the state of European society and I still can't think of a single way they act that is not inhuman, and I genuinely think this can only be the case as long as you stick to your distinctions of 'mine' and 'thine'. To imagine one can live in the country of money and preserve one's soul is like imagining one could preserve one's life at the bottom of a lake.»Kondiaronk, Huron chief, 1600s https://www.shortform.com/blog/indigenous-critique/ So, all the above is from "the dawn of everything by Wengrow and Graeber. The central thesis is that there is no "state of nature." Societies are not predetermined to develop a certain way, they are built consciously and vary greatly. Truth be told, the book as attracted some criticism, but make up your own mind. 4. Scandianavian trust based societies Alright, now I am entering etnocentric and politically iucorrect territory. but fact is, the Scandinavian countries do have the highest amount of social trust of all nations on the plant. Sturla Ellingsvåg, who is a genetics and historian who have done research with Max Planc institute, David Reich lab at harward and Kristian Kristiansen at the university of Copenhagen (all this to say, he knows what he is talking about), put the high degree of trust down to genetic heritage from the Scandinavian hunter gatherers. There were simply no way to survive in an environment like Scandinavia with out it. Edit: continuation: it is also interresting how he argues for the Aesir being the indo euro invaders, vanir the early european farmers and jotuns the scandinavian hunter gatherers. The aesir are certainly a so called heroic society, the vanir asscociated with fertility and probally more egalitarian. edit two: ill refrain from making any value judgement. To me, they are all just different expressions of culture, each with their pros and cons. I do not want to be a slave in Mesopotamia, nor do I want to be invaded by the indo europeans. Allthough… the hunther gatherer life style strikes me as quite romantic.