Sir Darius the Clairvoyent

A little random, @Nungali, but I’d like to hear your thoughts on this. All cultures have concepts of spirits or supernatural beings, no? Angels, jinns, dwarves and elves and gnomes, zombies, big foot, whatever. Today we have a lore about aliens. To what degree this is a myth or not, I am not sure, but two things about the first encounter between the Spanish and Indians fascinates me. It is claimed that the Indians simply couldn’t see the ship. Also, that they interpret men riding horses as one creature: half man, half horse. IF this is indeed true, you’d think it is because they simply had no framework to understand what they were looking at, no, so they «saw» it the way that made the most sense to them? I wonder, do you think all these might be different cultural interpretations of the same… phenomema? That is, something that we can’t quite comprehend, so it sort of manifests in accordance to the culture and time? If you are chistian, you encounter angels. If you live in the Forrest of Northern Europe, you see elves. If you live in the modern, technological, space and future orienented era, you see aliens.

Yes, it is extremely intriguing. I have watched some Graham Hancock, and I know many consider him a loon. I’ll tell you why he appeal to me tho: he doesn’t say this is how it happened, but points out inconsistencies about the mainstream narrative, and urges us to at least consider alternative models. Some of the things he shows, is undoubtedly hard to fit with the narrative of 6.000 years ago people in the Fertile Crescent 🌙 invented this amazing technology of harvesting grains. This gave people free time, that they used to make art and do math and write literature, and ever since then civilization have progressed and given the savages access to the fruits of civilsations, like hot dogs and freedom of religion, and know we are at the peak. The peak of course being 21th century white people.

😂 good lord, it’s like the office

I certainly don’t hope so. It is an scientific and widespread symbols. I don’t see how any reasonable person can blame some one living thousands of years ago for useing a symbol asscociated with antisemitism. It is a thousands of old years, Eurasian symbol. I mean, I wouldn’t advice putting on boots, growing a mustache and wawing around it, but pointing out that it was an extremely popular, widespread, ancient and positive symbol historically, how can that be wrong? That’s just fact. Anyway, I am willing to take the fall for you:

Oneness Gospel of Thomas (3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty." Hymn to Zeus (Note: I have it in print. Translated from Ancient Greek to Norwegian. There are versions of it on English online, but I think they are really bad. I decided to let software translate the Norwegian translation. That might have been a mistake, but anyway) Supreme God with many names, You are eternal, almighty. You govern the world by Your law, the sovereign of nature. Mortal humans You granted the right to turn to You, Zeus, for we are of Your kin, bearing a faint echo of Your voice, we who live our brief day and harvest upon the earth. Always my song rises to You, my hymn praises Your power. The earth is Yours, and the vast vault of the heavens surrounding it, willingly they obey You and follow wherever You lead. In Your hands, invincible, You lift the weapon, the flaming power of lightning, the ever-burning primordial fire. When it strikes, all of nature freezes in terror. Through its might, Your law is upheld, common to all, running through everything, shining in the sunlight, glimmering in the stars, reflecting even in the smallest being. Therefore, You are the highest King, all through all. Nothing happens on our earth without You, our God and Ruler, nothing in the high vault of heaven, nothing in the sea, except for the evil deeds of humans – they know no better. But their evil You take and turn to good, creating law from lawlessness, embracing the unlovable with love. You unite the good and the bad in harmony, everything must align with the law that eternally governs all. The law he seeks to escape, miserable and wretched, he who inwardly longs for a treasure, the possession of goodness. Yet he cannot see or hear the law of all things. Happy would he live if only he followed it. Without aim or reason, he is driven far from what is good. At times, it is honor that entices him—what shameful strife he endures for it, at other times, his heart turns to wealth, gathered by wicked means. Laziness captures one, another is ruled by lust, driven by many desires and torn apart by restlessness of soul. Empty is all their striving, and their entire life meaningless. Zeus, giver of all gifts, who hurls the lightning from the clouds, save us mortal children from all blindness and foolishness. Cleanse our souls of evil, grant us a share of Your wisdom, which governs all, the foundation and cause of Your justice, so that we may be honored by You and honor You in return, that our songs may praise Your work. This alone is worthy of us who are created to die. For this is the most beautiful gift gods and humans share: to honor the law of the cosmos. CLEANTHES Born 331/30, died 232/31 BCE. After Zeno, the founder of Stoicism, Cleanthes led the school for 32 years. Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 10, Verse 20 I am the Self, O Gudakesa, seated in the hearts of all creatures. I am the beginning, the middle and the end of all beings. Isha Upanishad, 16 Invocatory Verse by Swami Dayananda The whole (Brahman) is all that is invisible. The whole (Brahman) is all that is visible. The whole (Hiranyagarbha) was born out of the whole (Brahman). When the whole (the Universe) is absorbed into the whole (Brahman) the whole alone (Brahman) remains. Tawhid (the oneness of God): “Say, ‘He is Allah, [who is] One, Allah, the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent.’” — (Surah Al-Ikhlas, 112:1-4) Aristophanes’ speech in The Symposium, Plato In the beginning, humans were different from what they are now. The original human nature was not like the present one, but rather there were three sexes then, not two as now, male and female. In addition to these, there was a third sex, which was a combination of the other two. This combination was called androgynous, as it shared in both male and female characteristics. Each human being was originally round, with back and sides forming a circle; they had four hands, four legs, and two faces on a single head, facing opposite directions. These beings could walk upright like us, but they could also roll over and move quickly using all eight limbs. Their strength and power were immense, and their arrogance caused them to challenge the gods. In punishment, Zeus decided to weaken them by splitting them in two. After they were split, each half longed for its other half. They would embrace and try to become one again, so much so that they often neglected their basic needs and died of hunger or inactivity. To solve this, Zeus moved their genitals to the front of their bodies, enabling reproduction and giving them a way to find some satisfaction in their longing for unity. This, then, is the origin of our desire for love: it is the pursuit of wholeness, the desire to be reunited with our other half and restored to our original nature. Commentary: Possibly my fav myth. The text speaks for itself, so I’ll keep it short. It is from here we get the concept of «soul mates» and «other half.» That is, two separate people sharing the same soul. Also the hermaphroditistic aspect is a recognized aspect of the reconstroctued proto indo European cosmos. It is found in the story below to, in Ymir. Norse myth This turned into a little bit of a ramble. Reason being is that this is speculation, based on legit texts, but the text doesn’t spell it out: so we have to rely on speculation, symbolism, etymology etc. And to be frank, I kind of forced it in here due to it being one of my favorite topics. in the future, there are a couple of other concepts id like to explore. Possibly solar religions or symbolism, the dying and rising god, the world tree, axis mundi, war between classes of gods, use of funny substances, sacrifice, burials, order and chaos… my god, there is an endless amount of topics to choose from here. I hope this is of interest to you as well, and feedback, your own theories etc are very welcomed. Id like to summon @Nungali @Apech we have not spoken a lot, but we seem to share an interest in myth and you seem quite knowledgeable about aspects of it? (Check the Norse myth section, and the numbers and images in the spoiler below will make sense)

Day 1. 03:49 cet: good night! day 2. 12:48, gm Intention: Took a beer with a friend yesterday. He is tik tok generation uknow. I am very much smart phone gen as well, but got exposed to it at a little older age. Anyway, we talked about how our ability to focus is comparable to a gold fish, due to dopamine overdose. He told me to stop scrolling and only watch/listen/read long format media. It would do wonders, he said, and I believe him. Advice taken. (to be continued. Hopefully, some of you might contribute)

Maybe Ill get there in time. Or possibly, I am already there 🤔

To me, it is a paradox.

@Daniel I know I am on your ignore list. Despite of this, I also know you read every single comment of mine. Genuine question. What is your motivation for being here?

I think I find emu grasp the concept. I understand oneness. Yet, at the same time, I am obviously not a coffee cup. This is what I think, at least. Is it correct? @stirling was good help in this

Apperantly not.

Sometimes I get the sense that a few so called spiritual people, are less spiritual than regular people. At times it looks like it some sort of competition. A way to distance yourself from the mindless peasents. This is not a critique against genuine searchers, but an observation about a sub segment.

Ye life’s pretty good at the moment. Good music, good company, good drinks. What more can you ask for

What in the heavens is going on there? I do have a theory, but that should not be voiced publicly. Anyone here got any theories?

I mean, I am honestly lost for words. I do not won’t you to feel hurt, but I have no intention of apologizing, as I don’t accept that I have done you any wrong. If you don’t want to speak to, no problem. I kinda seems like you do tho, considering you’ve made countless posts and comments both about and to me. And with all due respect, I am not going to go out of my way to access your profound knowledge. There are plenty of people who have been greatly helpful and compassionate towards me. They have thought me stuff, but they have not lectured me. Your words are not gospel (pun intended).

Is this part of the reason esoteric communities are structured as they are?

The jewish perspective*

But back to topic: why is it that the Ethiopian church is alone in consideting scripture, do you reckon?

@DanielJust to be clear, I hope you don’t take it personally. I wish you no ill and hope you are doing good. Just some banter

Yes. I’d asked you if it was the case. You said it is, but it is anti semitic, ergo it is not the case. Strange. If you asked me if Norse pagans practiced human sacrifice, I’d answer yes they did. I would not lable you anti-Germanic.

@stirling @Nungali I think you’ll enjoy this. It is from foreword of Meditations, written by Viggo Johannesen: So let's ask the question: Is there anything to being a human being? Some might say no to that as well, arguing that being human is purely a socially constructed phenomenon. Regardless of what you believe personally, remember that science cannot help you here. On this point, science is as helpless as faith, it can only believe. Science assumes that man is a material phenomenon in a material world. Which is a decent assumption, but only an assumption. Even a metaphysical assumption. Completely without scientific evidence. As we all know, humans are conscious beings, and since science only recognises material phenomena as real, it is forced to assume that consciousness is something material. Humanity's wisdom traditions, on the other hand, have always spoken of spirit. Spirit is beyond time; it refers to that in man which belongs to eternity. This cannot be proven scientifically either, so we are left with ourselves and our own experience as the only witness to the truth. Is it something to be a human being? Where do you stand on this perhaps most fundamental question of them all? Have you made up your mind, and if so, on what basis? Translated with DeepL (https://www.deepl.com/app/?utm_source=ios&utm_medium=app&utm_campaign=share-translation)

Hmm it is intriguing. I am not sure I agree that it is the intended message of the text, but the nuclear analogy seems reasonable.