Sir Darius the Clairvoyent

How about this premise: the philosophy of the devil. What would it look like?

I think I get you: when you walk the same path every day, you stop to live conciousley and go by autopilot. So the point is to live conciously, correct? And yess, there are certainly many trying to tell you who you are, where you should go, what you should buy, say, think and feel. Muddying the map a little. If I am a allowed to be a little dramatic; the whole word tries to manipulate you.

So, famously, the greeks considered rationality as the defining feature of humans - what seperates us from animals. i have two cats. They seem to live in constant bliss, without any sense of worry or suffering. Do you agree that animals generally dont suffer, while many humans do? How do explain that the only creature capable of rationality, wisdom and virtue, is the most miserable of them all?

Yes, that was what I had in mind. «There is a frustration though, knowing this has all but died out . Like many elders here ; I am one of the last, I'll be gone , tradition gone , knowledge gone , modern people 'going to hell in a hand basket ' (as they say ) ... sad ? yeah but .... mhe .» I feel like an absolute ass commenting this when you are talking about one of lifes… idk, scariest and biggest question, but why let the religion with no name die?

When, what kind of food, how often etc. l am asking both because ive gained some weight, and because I want to be healthier.

Fucking Spiros One thing I should probally have asked you a long time ago, but that I have not, is this: how do you live in accordance to your true will? What is essential for you?

Id love to hear. Let me clarrify one thing: I do not for a moment doubt animals inner life, personality and emotions. Not for a second, one would have to be completely devoid of empathy to do that. Let me quote you the section I read that inspired the question. The following is quoted (and translated by AI) from the foreword of Epiktets work, by Viggo Johansen: Is it our failure to live in accordance to nature, god, "true will," what have you, that lead to misery? And why do we fail?

So, lets see: 1. meditations by aurelius 2. Children of Ash and Elm Neil Price attempts to write about the norse from the perspective of the norse. Very refreshing considering how much church propaganda, romanticism, nazism and demonisation they have been subject to. 3. Bhagavad Gita I wrote a summary here: 4. embarresed to say so, but Harry Potter series. It literally was my childhood. Hope to hear about What books or texts has been special to you, and more importantly; why.

Grazie, no cuisine like the italian one. i used to live like that to a few years ago. Damn it felt great. But somewhere along the road I turned into a goblin. Working on fixing it now tho!

The principles progress from a pursuit of knowledge (1), to the establishment of independence (2), to the understanding of a universal order (3), and further to applying this understanding in one's own life and environment (4), and then to action and courage in the face of challenges (5). The principles of mortality (6) and beauty (7) put this entire journey into perspective, while the final principle (8) encourages bringing everything together in a process of self-realization and wholeness.

Life's Essence: eight Principles "Every acquisition, every step forward in knowledge is the result of courage, of severity toward oneself, of cleanliness with respect to oneself." Friedrich Nietzsche, Ecce Homo Background I'll be honest: I have dug myself into a deep hole. Life can be pure bliss, but at times it can be a real struggle, perhaps even hell. As it says in the Gospel of Matthew, the gate to damnation is "wide and broad," while the way that leads to life is "narrow, and few find it." Given my current life situation, I have decided to create a short and concise list of the most important principles for a good life. I have pre-determined that I will limit myself to 10 principles, without knowing exactly what they will entail. This is because I want them to be impactful and to the point. Naturally, this is a personal list — my rules for my life, and by no means intended to be universal. However, I am very open to feedback, comments, and your own principles on the path to paradise. Jordan Peterson's 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos The project is clearly inspired by the aforementioned book. I know he is a controversial character, but I don't give a f***. I like him. He argues that life is characterized by order and chaos. It can perhaps be compared to yin and yang; I wouldn't know, as my knowledge of Eastern philosophy is practically nonexistent (unfortunately). Peterson points out that too much order and too much chaos can both be harmful. Too much order can lead to rigidity, stagnation, and even totalitarian tendencies, while too much chaos can result in fear, anxiety, and the disintegration of meaningful structures. Humans need a dynamic balance between these forces to live a rich and meaningful life. Rules, routines, and structures can help us find this balance, without losing the ability to adapt and grow in the face of unpredictability. Here, I will create my own "rules for life." "The scientific world of matter can be reduced, in some sense, to its fundamental constituent elements: molecules, atoms, even quarks. However, the world of experience has primal constituents, as well. These are the necessary elements whose interactions define drama and fiction. One of these is chaos. Another is order. The third (as there are three) is the process that mediates between the two, which appears identical to what modern people call consciousness. It is our eternal subjugation to the first two that makes us doubt the validity of existence — that makes us throw up our hands in despair and fail to care for ourselves properly. It is a proper understanding of the third that allows us the only real way out." ― Jordan Peterson Norse Mythology - Order, Chaos, and Creation In the Norse creation myth, Ymir is the first being, a primordial entity that holds the potential for the entire world within itself. Ymir exists in a chaotic primal state, where all opposites — light and darkness, order and chaos, male and female — exist simultaneously and indivisibly. Through his asexual creation, the giants emerge, making Ymir a symbol of a state of unity where all contrasts are merged. The dualities of the world come into being through the sacrifice of Ymir; his body is divided by the gods to create earth, sea, trees, and mountains. This act of violence marks the transition from unity to diversity, showing how order often arises from chaos. Ymir must die for the world to exist, and his sacrifice makes it possible for opposites such as night and day, land and sea, gods and humans to take form. This illustrates how order and chaos function as complementary forces in creation. Ymir represents chaotic potential that must be shaped, while the gods create order. Creation becomes a process where both forces are necessary; they are not merely opposites but also prerequisites for each other. The world emerges in a tension between these forces, and it is in their interplay that the cosmos finds its form and beauty. This is the backdrop for my ten principles: an understanding of life as a dance between order and chaos, between light and darkness, and how we can find our way through this landscape by embracing both structure and spontaneity. The eight principles 1. Read Great Thinkers This will make more sense as the majority of the "rules" contain quotes from great thinkers. People have pondered over life's great mysteries since practically forever. One of my favorite artworks illustrates this in a spectacular and beautiful way: Lions, Chauvet Cave, France The cave painting is 35,000 years old. No one can convince me that these people did not have as rich an inner life as us. Once in a blue moon, people so profound appear that reading them will enrich your life immeasurably. The older, the better. If it has stood the test of time, there is undoubtedly a reason for it. 2. … but you are the final authority By all means, listen to the wise. Listen to everyone, in fact, because I believe everyone has something to contribute if you give them the chance. However, beware of the conman. "Go alone, my disciples, You too, go now alone. Thus I want it. Go away from me and resist Zarathustra! And even better: be ashamed of him! Perhaps he deceived you… One pays a teacher badly if one always remains nothing but a pupil. And why do you not want to pluck at my wreath? You revere me; but what if your reverence tumbles one day? Beware lest a statue slay you. You say that you believe in Zarathustra? But what matters Zarathustra? You are my believers – but what matter all believers? You had not yet sought yourselves; and you found me. Thus do all believers; therefore all faith amounts to so little. Now I bid you to lose me and find yourselves; and only then when you have all denied me will I return to you… that I may celebrate the great noon with you." ― Nietzsche 3. Logos - Universal Reason According to Herodotus, "Persians educate their boys to ride well, shoot straight, and speak the truth." The Persian word for truth would be asha or arta. This is part of a shared Indo-European notion of cosmic order. The wiki page on Proto-Indo-European mythology says the following: "Linguistic evidence has led scholars to reconstruct the concept of *h₂értus, denoting 'what is fitting, rightly ordered', and ultimately deriving from the verbal root *h₂er-, 'to fit'. Descendant cognates include Hittite āra ('right, proper'); Sanskrit ṛta ('divine/cosmic law, force of truth, or order'); Avestan arəta- ('order'); Greek artús ('arrangement'), possibly arete ('excellence') via the root *h₂erh₁ ('please, satisfy'); Latin artus ('joint'); Tocharian A ārtt- ('to praise, be pleased with'); Armenian ard ('ornament, shape'); Middle High German art ('innate feature, nature, fashion')." This is also where the Hindu concept of karma and dharma stems from. In classical Greek philosophy, particularly in the works of Heraclitus, logos refers to the rational structure that permeates the cosmos. Heraclitus saw logos as the universal law or principle that governs change and order in the universe. He believed that even though the world is in constant flux, everything happens according to an underlying rational order — logos. This is why my username is NaturaNaturans (nature natures). 4. Eudaimonia (term coined by Aristotle, often translated to human flourishing) - nurture your environment "Think of a flower. If you water it, give it enough light, maybe feed it a little, then it will grow and bloom… Human beings can flourish like plants too." ― Nigel Warburton 5. Kill the Dragon - One Foot in the Known, One in the Unknown Science tells us that this is the key to a fulfilling life: finding the balance between order and chaos. Too much order, and life becomes meaningless. Too much chaos, and you become lost and confused, at best. In the Norse universe, the first humans, Ask and Embla, were made of wood. Just as God breathed life into dust, Odin and his brothers breathed life into them. Odin, Vili, and Ve, Woðanaz, Weljon, and Wixan, their names meaning shamanic fury, the will, and the sacred respectively. They gave their creations, humanity, Midgard, a beautiful and magnificent place between the gods' fortress and the great unknown: Utgard, where they would dwell until Ragnarok. To explain this further, I must elaborate on the concept of "gard." Gard means enclosure: a fenced-in and protected place. We have Asgard, the fortress of the Aesir (the divine), Midgard, home of the tribe and the known and protected from Utgard (outside the fence), where giants, enemies of the gods, dwell. Utgard is frightening and exciting. Sometimes necessary to explore, but with great risk, and the potential for everlasting fame. Here's something to note. Firstly, they divide the world into three mental categories: the high and divine, the known and safe, and the wild and unknown. The high, the mundane, the low. Heaven, Earth, Hell. In Voluspa, Odin learns of the fate of the gods and their creations: "The sun turns black, earth sinks in the sea, The hot stars down from heaven are whirled; Fierce grows the steam and the life-feeding flame, Till fire leaps high about heaven itself." Despite this, the knowledge of one's own and others' demise, Odin travels through the different realms in search of wisdom, to prepare for the inevitable end and to challenge fate itself. He takes the bravest warriors with him to Valhalla, where they prepare for the final battle. In the vedic epic of Bhagavad Gita, two rivaling royal families stood ready to battle in the northern plains of India. Arjuna, the rightful heir to the throne, was prepared to fight for his right. But as he looked at his relatives, teachers, and friends on the opposing side, he was overwhelmed by deep sorrow. How could he kill his own kin? It was at this moment that the Supreme Personality of God, Krishna, revealed Himself to Arjuna. In the text, Krishna is described as the source of all existence. Arjuna humbly asked for guidance: "Now I am your disciple, and my soul is surrendered to you. Please instruct me." Krishna/the Supreme Personality of Godhead said: "My dear Arjuna, how have these impurities come upon you? They are not at all befitting a man who knows the value of life. They lead not to higher planets but to infamy. (...) Give up this petty weakness of heart and arise." Trito, from proto indo european mythology, is the archetypical warrior/hero. He would chase down an foreign enemy to retrieve the cattle they had stolen. To do this, he had to face a serpent, three headed monster or something similar. By retrieving the cattle, he was welcomed back as a hero. This is where we get the so called serpent slaying myth, which lives on to this very day. You even find it in Shrek haha. Point is, the greatest treasures is to be found in a dark cave, guarded by a fire-spitting, flying reptile - the ultimate predator. Only by facing him bravely, can you achieve the highest good. 6. Memento mori All the following quotes are from Marcus Aurelius: "Your days are numbered. Use them to throw open the windows of your soul to the sun. If you do not, the sun will soon set, and you with it." "Your days are numbered. Use them to throw open the windows of your soul to the sun. If you do not, the sun will soon set, and you with it." "It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live." "If souls survive death for all eternity, how can the heavens hold them all? Or for that matter, how can the earth hold all the bodies that have been buried in it? The answers are the same. Just as on earth, with the passage of time, decaying and transmogrified corpses make way for the newly dead, so souls released into the heavens, after a season of flight, begin to break up, burn, and be absorbed back into the womb of reason, leaving room for souls just beginning to fly. This is the answer for those who believe that souls survive death." 7. Appreciate beauty "Dwell on the beauty of life. Watch the stars, and see yourself running with them." Aurelius, meditations 8. Become whole https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15pjQRA80bs And at last: "Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be one." Aurelius

How about this beauty: https://youtu.be/W-hrBhA4XkM?si=rRXGWqQ1TncTynUH

I post a scetch appropiate for a wise man who was around 50 years ago: Point is: I like Christ if we separate him from the dogma of biblical Christianity. Happy?

Maybe not universally unpopular (overwhelmingly popular infact), but it will piss our dear Nungali off: I belive Christ has some of the most powerful quotes in excistence.

Here you go, good sir: https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/56160-lifes-essence-eight-principles/

Maybe I am misunderstandint the question. If so, apologies. If not, I would say most definetly yes. Who can say that a break up for instance, did not effect their personality and world view for a good time afterwords?

@Cadcam I just made a thread about «my» philosophy if youre interrested.

«create art»

My «bible(s)»

Thanks all. Apologize for not answering, I am not that active here, but appreciate it.

Read great books. Listen to the wise, but disregard what you dont understand/agree with. Trust yourself. Make things beautifull, create something beautifull. Create a beautifull enviorment to grow into who you supposed to be None of these are really «original,» but at least I havent plagerized something.

Apoligies, I know this is a little lazy, but I come from Europe and know basically nothing about this philosophy (is it a philosophy?). Would anyone mind giving me a quick insight of the essence of it?

Nungali, the walking paradox ❤️

This thread id like to follow. Can I you, @DBT, how have you benefited and how did you Get started? How do you seperate the gold from the dirt?

Nietzche had a very fiery take on it. I recently read the genealogy of morals. I hesitate to qoute this as it might come off as hatefull, but If nothing else it is interresting and has historical value: that priestly nation which eventually realised that the one method of effecting satisfaction on its enemies and tyrants was by means of a radical transvaluation of values, which was at the same time an act of the cleverest revenge. Yet the method was only appropriate to a nation of priests, to a nation of the most jealously nursed priestly revengefulness. It was the Jews who, in opposition to the aristocratic equation (good = aristocratic = beautiful = happy = loved by the gods), dared with a terrifying logic to suggest the contrary equation, and indeed to maintain with the teeth of the most profound hatred (the hatred of weakness) this contrary equation, namely, "the wretched are alone the good; the poor, the weak, the lowly, are alone the good; the suffering, the needy, the sick, the loathsome, are the only ones who are pious, the only ones who are blessed, for them alone is salvation—but you, on the other hand, you aristocrats, you men of power, you are to all eternity the evil, the horrible, the covetous, the insatiate, the godless; eternally also shall you be the unblessed, the cursed, the damned!" We know who it was who reaped the heritage of this Jewish transvaluation. In the context of the monstrous and inordinately fateful initiative which the Jews have exhibited in connection with[Pg 31] this most fundamental of all declarations of war, I remember the passage which came to my pen on another occasion (Beyond Good and Evil, Aph. 195)—that it was, in fact, with the Jews that the revolt of the slaves begins in the sphere of morals; that revolt which has behind it a history of two millennia, and which at the present day has only moved out of our sight, because it—has achieved victory.