Sir Darius the Clairvoyent
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23 minutes ago, Nungali said:Me : " Nope ! ... Dont teach your kids that shit ! "
It is not «teaching kids that shit.» As I see it, it is, well, welcoming a lost son back. It is not like the son started living like that because he knew he would be forgiven, the shame is proof of the contrary. He simply got, well, lost, witch can happen to the best of us. My stand point is that… well, it is mercy and love, not a get out of jail card. It is not a story about a kid who stole candy, but a youth who dug himself into a deep Hole, swallowed his pride and repended. How would you react, if it was Your family?
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Balder's Dream is a poem from the Poetic Edda that tells the story of the death of the Norse god Balder. Balder, known for his goodness and righteousness, begins to have dreams about his own death, which greatly worries the gods. To understand the dreams and their significance, Odin travels to the realm of the dead to consult a dead seeress, who confirms that Balder will die and that this will have great consequences.
To protect Balder, his mother, Frigg, makes everything in the world swear not to harm him. However, she overlooks the mistletoe, an apparently insignificant plant, because it seems harmless. This shows how even the most insignificant things can have great importance if overlooked, and how small details can have large consequences.
Loki, the cunning god, discovers that the mistletoe was not included in the oath. He makes an arrow from this plant and manipulates Balder's blind brother, Hod, to shoot it at Balder. Because Hod is blind, he does not know what he is doing, which also illustrates the irony and tragedy of the situation – that Balder is killed by someone completely unaware of his action.
Balder symbolizes the good and pure in the world. His death metaphorically represents how the good can be destroyed by insignificant or overlooked forces, as well as by blindness and ignorance. A quote from Gylfaginning in Snorri's Edda describes Balder as follows:
"Balder is one, and he is Odin's second son, and it is good to say of him. He is so beautiful in appearance and light that it shines from him, and a grass is so white that it is compared with Balder's eyebrows; it is the whitest of all grass, and thus you can measure his beauty in both hair and body. He is wise and speaks little and is powerful, yet he does not have the nature that he does not need help. He lives in a place called Breidablik; it is in heaven. In that place, nothing impure can exist."
Balder’s death triggers a chain of events that lead to Ragnarok, the end of the world in Norse mythology. This tragic event marks the beginning of the end for the gods and the world as they know it. All the gods and the creatures of the world grieve deeply over Balder’s death, both because he was so loved and because they understand that this is the beginning of the end. This sorrow underscores the inevitability of fate and the catastrophic consequences of seemingly small or insignificant oversights.
Balder’s death, caused by an insignificant plant and a blind god, shows how fate can work in unexpected ways and how even the smallest details can have large and unforeseen consequences. This theme of unavoidable fate and the consequences of seemingly minor actions is central to Norse mythology, and Balder's death as a symbol of the fall of goodness amplifies the tragedy and drama of the story.
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4 minutes ago, Maddie said:Honestly I think this story is messed up because it shows that if you do what you are supposed to do you get nothing for it, but if you goof off it pays.
Well, to me it shows mercy, love, forgiveness, humility… list goes on
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I dont know about you, but I love these nuggets of beauty. Therefore, I decided to make a thread where we can share what ressonates strongly with ourselves. Ill begin with one of the better known parables of the bible:
Luke 15:11-32
New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition
The Parable of the Prodigal and His Brother
11 Then Jesus[a] said, “There was a man who had two sons. 12 The younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of the wealth that will belong to me.’ So he divided his assets between them. 13 A few days later the younger son gathered all he had and traveled to a distant region, and there he squandered his wealth in dissolute living. 14 When he had spent everything, a severe famine took place throughout that region, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that region, who sent him to his fields to feed the pigs. 16 He would gladly have filled his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, and no one gave him anything. 17 But when he came to his senses he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired hands have bread enough and to spare, but here I am dying of hunger! 18 I will get up and go to my father, and I will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you; 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; treat me like one of your hired hands.” ’ 20 So he set off and went to his father. But while he was still far off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion; he ran and put his arms around him and kissed him.21 Then the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’[c] 22 But the father said to his slaves, ‘Quickly, bring out a robe—the best one—and put it on him; put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 And get the fatted calf and kill it, and let us eat and celebrate,
24 for this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found!’ And they began to celebrate.
25 “Now his elder son was in the field, and as he came and approached the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 He called one of the slaves and asked what was going on. 27 He replied, ‘Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fatted calf because he has got him back safe and sound.’ 28 Then he became angry and refused to go in. His father came out and began to plead with him. 29 But he answered his father, ‘Listen! For all these years I have been working like a slave for you, and I have never disobeyed your command, yet you have never given me even a young goat so that I might celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours came back, who has devoured your assets with prostitutes, you killed the fatted calf for him!’ 31 Then the father[d] said to him, ‘Son, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and rejoice, because this brother of yours was dead and has come to life; he was lost and has been found.’ ”
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But by all means, you are correct in that there was a shift in cosmology. Right know im reading this paper on bronze age religion: https://www.academia.edu/5698976/Religion_and_society_in_the_Bronze_Age
Here is an excerpt:
QuoteHE NEW GODS OF THE BRONZE AGE AND THEIR ATTRIBUTES A small pantheon of early gods shares their names within the Indo-European languages and hence goes back to the Proto-Indo-European period (West 2007: ch. 4). Language thus testiies to the existence of a small pantheon of gods before and during the early period of expansion of Indo-European languages and social formations in the early third millennium bce. Presiding over them is the sky god with his club or rather hammer axe. his would correspond very well with the western expansion of Indo-European speaking societies during the early third millennium bce, where males are oten buried with an axe made of precious stone or copper. Figure 10.3 Relationship between material culture and oral/written culture. © Kristian Kristiansen.
not for reproduction or distribution RELIGION AND SOCIETY IN THE BRONZE AGE 83 Ater 2000 bce, texts from the Near East and India present the second and third gener- ations of gods, and among them the “Divine Twins” are the most interesting and important also from an archaeological point of view. heir archaeological history and their attributes will therefore be the focus of this contribution. hey persist until the end of the Bronze Age, when new gods mark their arrival in many Indo-European speaking societies, not least in central and northern Europe, in the form of the Æsir gods, which corresponds to the decline of the dominant Bronze Age gods. We ind no archaeological parallels to this change until the beginning of the Iron Age, when some rock art panels are carved over by a gigantic spear-holding igure, which could count as a proto-Odin, but otherwise the most likely arrival of this new layer of gods can be archaeologically identiied and dated to the ith and sixth centuries ce (Hedeager 2007). he main gods of the Bronze Age are the sun, its god and goddess, and their helpers: the Divine Twins. A myriad of rock art panels in Scandinavia and a thousand bronzes with solar symbolism attest to this (R. Bradley 2006; Kristiansen 2010). It is also clear from this archaeological evidence that the solar journey is a shared myth throughout Europe (Sprockhof 1954; Pasztor 2008; Vianello 2008), just as the twin symbolism linked to the helpers of the sun: the Divine Twins. here are most certainly other shared myths that can be identiied in archaeological iconography, but so far little work has been done in these areas of research (but see Kristiansen & Larsson 2005: ig. 152; Fredell 2006). Bronze Age texts and Bronze Age rock art are dominated by male gods, or rather their earthly representatives, the priest chiefs, mostly armed and with a huge phallus. In a quantitative study of gender in rock art in Østfold in Norway it could be demonstrated that non-phallic males rarely had weapons, while among the phallic males more than half carried a sword. Figures with horned helmets, lur blowers, and igures with bird masks, or rather eagle heads or masks, are always phallic (Skogstrand 2006: igs 16–20). he warrior ethos is strong, and is linked to an ideology of sexual strength and penetration, which is echoed in Indo-European texts as well.
Ill get back to you if I stumble over something interresting (only read about 1/3), but so far I can reccomend it.
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14 hours ago, Nungali said:our quote seems to support what I said 'Aeon of Isis' - 'Old Europe' ; " characterized as peaceful, matristic, and possessing a goddess-centered religion."
And the 'Aeon of Osiris' - " she characterizes the later Indo-European influences as warlike, nomadic, and patrilineal"
Thats write, that qoute was from the old Europe link and was not meant to illustrate my point. Imprecise communication on my part. Consider this however:
Violence in neolithic Europe (before IE. invasion):
SpoilerDiscussions on interpersonal violence and conflict in Neolithic Europe have shifted from past assumptions on the generally peaceful nature of the period (e.g., refs. (1) and (2)) to a recognition of physical violence as a widespread feature that was not limited to one-off violent events (3–5).
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In norway, the number of violent deaths were 20% (read in a recent norwegian book)https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2209481119
Kindred, patriarchal nobility in neolithic Europe:
SpoilerSIGNIFICANCE
A new phenomenon of constructing distinctive funerary monuments, collectively known as megalithic tombs, emerged around 4500 BCE along the Atlantic façade. The megalithic phenomenon has attracted interest and speculation since medieval times. In particular, the origin, dispersal dynamics, and the role of these constructions within the societies that built them have been debated. We generate genome sequence data from 24 individuals buried in five megaliths and investigate the population history and social dynamics of the groups that buried their dead in megalithic monuments across northwestern Europe in the fourth millennium BCE. Our results show kin relations among the buried individuals and an overrepresentation of males, suggesting that at least some of these funerary monuments were used by patrilineal societies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6511028/
Inbred god kings behind megalithic culture in Europe:
SpoilerThe nature and distribution of political power in Europe during the Neolithic era remains poorly understood1. During this period, many societies began to invest heavily in building monuments, which suggests an increase in social organization. The scale and sophistication of megalithic architecture along the Atlantic seaboard, culminating in the great passage tomb complexes, is particularly impressive2. Although co-operative ideology has often been emphasised as a driver of megalith construction1, the human expenditure required to erect the largest monuments has led some researchers to emphasize hierarchy3—of which the most extreme case is a small elite marshalling the labour of the masses. Here we present evidence that a social stratum of this type was established during the Neolithic period in Ireland. We sampled 44 whole genomes, among which we identify the adult son of a first-degree incestuous union from remains that were discovered within the most elaborate recess of the Newgrange passage tomb. Socially sanctioned matings of this nature are very rare, and are documented almost exclusively among politico-religious elites4—specifically within polygynous and patrilineal royal families that are headed by god-kings5,6. We identify relatives of this individual within two other major complexes of passage tombs 150 km to the west of Newgrange, as well as dietary differences and fine-scale haplotypic structure (which is unprecedented in resolution for a prehistoric population) between passage tomb samples and the larger dataset, which together imply hierarchy. This elite emerged against a backdrop of rapid maritime colonization that displaced a unique Mesolithic isolate population, although we also detected rare Irish hunter-gatherer introgression within the Neolithic population.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7116870/
The "genocide" of danish hunter gatherers:
SpoilerNeolithic people with genetic ancestry from the Middle East replaced the original hunter-gatherer cultures throughout Europe, and genome analysis shows massive migration, which resulted in population mixing in some places and population turnover elsewhere.
Denmark underwent population turnover, but the DNA combined with the radiocarbon dating of the 100 skeletons reveals that the Neolithic immigration from the south happened 1,000 years later in Denmark. The hunter-gatherers in Denmark were therefore able to keep Neolithic people at bay for 1,000 years longer than in central Europe.
With the arrival of this new population from the south, its genetics eventually ended up lightening people’s skin, and once these migrants had established themselves in Denmark, the original hunter-gatherers were rapidly replaced, leaving only very minor genetic traces in the new population.
“Denmark may have had the most rapid transition from hunter-gatherers to the Neolithic Age in Europe. This was a dramatic transition with rapid turnover and involving far less genetic integration between the original population and the migrants than in southern Europe,”
https://sciencenews.dk/en/100-ancient-skeletons-reveal-dramatic-turnover-of-denmarks-population
15 hours ago, Nungali said:The Aeon of Osiris is supposedly characterised by 'the Dying God' motif . Jesus is the classic .
But who is the new classic / icon / 'Microcosmic Man ' ? I read a good discourse on it being Faust ; he sold his soul , which he lost , to the Devil, for material greed, goods and pleasures . The writer saw 'The Devil' as materialism / scientism .
But then again, that's just Marlowe's ending , Goethe has a different ending to Faust ...... maybe we can choose ?
Beautifully written. Love the imagery and the Faust "choice" you provide : )
15 hours ago, Nungali said:Seriously ? You are going to cite chat GPT ? ... whatever .
It wasnt just Crowley that thought " The transition from one Aeon to another reflects shifts in human consciousness and spiritual evolution. " Exopsychology does as well , and links them to shifts in human social evolution .
A lot of Crowley isn't original , he is just writing about stuff in a new and different way ( for the times ) .
Ask your chat GPG , in relation to the answer it gave ; " Are you sure about that ? "
You know, I just finished school, and my god youd be shocked by how muched the software is used. They have even been credited in research publications... It is a brilliant tool, if you source it, fact check and rewrite it. I didnt do that, so for that, I take critisisim.
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Finnish fire ❤️🔥🇫🇮
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Do you guys think it is possible to truly grasp an «alien» tradition? At least without having intimate knowledge of the culture and language?
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ChatGPT summary on aeons:
QuoteAleister Crowley, an influential figure in the occult world, introduced the concept of Aeons in his works. According to Crowley, an Aeon is a large time period dominated by a particular spiritual paradigm. He identified three main Aeons in human spiritual history:
1. **The Aeon of Isis**: This is the first Aeon, characterized by matriarchy and the worship of the Great Mother. It represents a time when nature, fertility, and the goddess were the central focus of spirituality.
2. **The Aeon of Osiris**: This is the second Aeon, marked by patriarchy and the worship of the dying-and-rising god. It corresponds to a period dominated by the themes of sacrifice, death, and resurrection. This Aeon is linked to the religions that emphasize salvation and suffering, such as Christianity and other similar religions.
3. **The Aeon of Horus**: Crowley believed humanity had entered this third Aeon, marked by the rise of individualism, the breakdown of old religious structures, and the emergence of new spiritual understandings. Horus, the child god, symbolizes self-actualization, freedom, and the conscious realization of one's true will.
Crowley's Aeons are closely tied to his teachings in Thelema, a spiritual philosophy he founded, which emphasizes discovering and following one's True Will. The transition from one Aeon to another reflects shifts in human consciousness and spiritual evolution.
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2 hours ago, Nungali said:Aeon of Isis ;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Europe_(archaeology)
Aeon of Osiris ;
early
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_migrations
middle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire
late ;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution
Aeon of Horus;
Early ;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War
WW I & II
and , well , constant war ever since ;
" Thou shalt have danger and trouble , Ra-Hoor-Khu is with thee . "
Middle;
Hmm… on Isis, I think «Old Europe» is kind of outdated. Sure, they had a unique culture, but the neolitic farmers was not shy for extreme hierachy and violence and patriarchy. You prob know this. Ive written a little on it at historium as well, so I can dig that ho for you If interrested.
wiki old Europe:
QuoteMarija Gimbutas studied the Neolithic period in order to understand cultural developments in settled village culture in the southern Balkans, which she characterized as peaceful, matristic, and possessing a goddess-centered religion.[7] In contrast, she characterizes the later Indo-European influences as warlike, nomadic, and patrilineal.[7] Using evidence from pottery and sculpture, and combining the tools of archaeology, comparative mythology, linguistics, and, most controversially, folkloristics, Gimbutas invented a new interdisciplinary field, archaeomythology.
OsirisEarly
well, yeah, I to belive it was bordering on genocidal. Here is an excerpt from an article that might interrest you:
QuoteThe entire population living in what is now Denmark was replaced twice prehistorically by people arriving from outside Scandinavia. A major study now reveals how this turnover took place and what it means for how ethnic Danes now look, live their lives and what they eat.
https://sciencenews.dk/en/100-ancient-skeletons-reveal-dramatic-turnover-of-denmarks-population
https://english.elpais.com/elpais/2018/10/03/inenglish/1538568010_930565.html?outputType=amp#
The combination of steppe pastorialists and horse riders seems to create a special breed, as seen many times and in many culture. All tho like all cultures, it comes with its good and bad.
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well, Rome was not shy for violence. In a way they still seem very IE (glory, korios, honour, patrarchy, heroism, Pantheon…)
Late
I only know the basics of the revolusjon. Was it the end of Osiris?
Horus
“war that will end war,” which later morphed into “the war to end all wars»…
In one way it is true, as know we only do just millitary intervantion and violent peace keeping mission for the good of the human race :))
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1 hour ago, Maddie said:For those who question if a child can know if they're trans this should be seen.
Apologies, I didnt Watch, but If you dont mind me asking:
1. So lets assume that kids can know that they are born in the wrong body. Still, would you agree that some could be manipulated to belive it, as well?
2. how do you feel about irreversible biological change to kids?
3. why not wait anyway? I mean, this is a far more serious choice then most we are allowed to take before reaching adulthood?
4. I think youd agree that some ones Life would be ruined by this (and some improved). How do you balance these up against each other?
Have you seen «what is a woman?» by Matt Walsh? Thoughts?
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1 hour ago, Maddie said:For those who question if a child can know if they're trans this should be seen.
Apologies, I didnt Watch, but If you dont mind me asking:
1. So lets assume that kids can know that they are born in the wrong body. Still, would you agree that some could be manipulated to belive it, as well?
2. how do you feel about irreversible biological change to kids?
3. why not wait anyway? I mean, this is a far more serious choice then most we are allowed to take before reaching adulthood?
4. I think youd agree that some ones Life would be ruined by this (and some improved). How do you balance these up against each other?
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is this peak daoist thinking?
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On 7.6.2024 at 8:07 PM, Paradoxal said:Within the last two thousand years, the West has repeatedly proven itself to be 'self-focused,' so I would argue that this is nothing new
Idk, is european culture more individualistic than eastern? For sure. And yes, this have deep roots (notoins of herious, glory, individual sovereignity and so), however, to me this is not bad Nor self obsession. These traits are in a weird way altruisitc, towards the in group at least. Self-obsession, like in the myth of Narcissius for instance, I agree with @Nungali: a product of lagre settlements and escp the industrial revolution and capitalism?
Care to elaborate?
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On 7.6.2024 at 2:52 AM, Sanity Check said:Darwin's theory of evolution & capitalism being near to the same thing.
I would question whether its possible to be a true supporter of evolution science while bashing capitalism.
If evolution is defined in terms of millions of years of competition between organisms.
Can we propose to transform that observed precedent into another system or reduced or controlled competition?
If millions of years of competition is our origins story, then we might assume we will all be forced to compete at some point.
Which may mean the logical approach is to focus on developing ourselves & those around us to better compete.
Rather than expend time and energy attempting to make others less competitive.
As it may be impossible to devise a system which bucks the evolutionary trend of competition between organisms as a prime directive.
To eliminate competition between businesses and organisms, might require eliminating evolution itself.
Those who bash capitalism and seek its end may be waging a war against evolution and its mandates of competition between living things.
Which may be an interesting prospect to think about.
How can you be against (or for) evolution? What would the opposite of natural selection be? Unnatural selection? What even is that?
@Nungali we cant turn back the clock, but we can take a look at the man in the mirror (HEE-HEE)The aeons stuff, idk.
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We know mind can hallusinate non-material things (think psychosis for instance). We do not know If material stuff can great conciousness. From that I draw the conclusion that everything is mind and mind is everything.
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Sorry for my lazy comment, and I havent propelly read the thread, but to me, the mind is the single biggest mystery and im tempted to say it debunks materialism. How does a collection of uncouncious atoms become sentinent?
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My guess would be capitalism: it makes money of supreme value, encourages competition, provides you with intentionally addicting tech and bombards you with marketing. And yeah, the death of god and a materalistic world view.
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To me, it feels like people (myself included) has become radically more self focused in the past few decades/centuries. Maybe in the west especially. Do you share this notion? How did it come about, and how can we return to a more outwards looking world view?
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On 16.5.2024 at 1:14 AM, Apech said:- there is a supreme being who created the universe
- this being impregnated a virgin
- the child grew up to perform miracles and so on
- he was crucified, died and then rose from the dead
1. a supreme, singular creator is what makes the Most sense for me.
2. Common mythological theme in western Eurasia. Also, dont think of it as the creator penetrering Mary, it is figurative. «Our heavenly father.» Trinity - tree in one - the father, the son(s) and the holy spirit
3. Again, I think it is symbolism. Much of it is lost on me tho. He is in many ways «the perfect man incarneted.» The ideal. Christians means followers of Christ. As far as I am concerned, the only requirement to being a Christian is attempting to follow his example.
4. Another common mythological theme in west Eurasia. One theory I like is that its Linked to the solar cicle. The sun «dies» at the winter solstice before being «reforn.» I dont think this birthday being set to christmas is a coincidence.
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Not sure how relevant (or correct or relevant) this text is, but i wrote the following on another forum:
I wrote a little text inspired by two books ive read, "antikken på trikken" and "meditations" by Aurelius. It concerns various approaches to knowledge and life. I am, as usual, out of my depth, so feedback, corrections and criticism is always welcomed. Anyway:
In small, tight-knit groups, there is no need for laws. Norms, rituals, reciprocity, taboos, and more are sufficient to keep order. With the emergence of the first cities, novel problems arose—problems that tradition had no obvious answer to, such as ownership. In many cases, we see the emergence of stark hierarchies where the citizens are nothing more than the property of their rulers. They alone hold the power and are the judge, jury, and executioner. They claim their authority from the heavens. Think Hammurabi and Moses. To them, the laws were literally and figuratively written in stone. They were above questioning, eternal, and got their authority from above.
But with the Greeks, things seemed to change. Naturally, they too had laws, rulers, and gods. Thunder was the result of Zeus's anger, just as with Thor. The rainbow, Iris, was the messenger of the gods. For the Norse, the rainbow (Bifrost) was the bridge to Asgard. But then a fellow by the name of Anaximenes (528 BC) appeared with ideas that today sound banal but were revolutionary, world-changing, and ingenious.
We see the emergence of democracy (rule by the people) and philosophy (friend of wisdom). They questioned the established order and instead asked themselves how an ideal society should be organized, using reason. According to Anaximenes, the rainbow was not a connector to the heavenly realms but simply the result of sunlight failing to penetrate thick clouds. Wrong as it might be, it is irrelevant. What matters here is his approach: science. With him, we went from explaining natural phenomena with gods to reason. This is the shift from mythos to logos.
"The sea is the source of water and the source of wind; for neither would blasts of wind arise in the clouds and blow out from within them, except for the great sea, nor would the streams of rivers nor the rain-water in the sky exist but for the sea; but the great sea is the begetter of clouds and winds and rivers." - Empedocles
From the quote, we can see a naturalistic approach to the world. A belief in logos and harmony between the elements. An explanation of the forces of nature without resorting to Poseidon or water nymphs. A lot of good can be said about the scientific method, but it has its limits. Let me quote myself (paraphrasing Viggo Johansen's foreword to Meditations by Marcus Aurelius):
In the foreword, he raises the following question: how can a book written by the most powerful person on the planet, 1800 years ago, be relevant for us today? He writes: "… every evening he (Aurelius) sits down to write, in order to remember who he is - a human. Not an emperor, but a human."
For this reason, Stoicism can appeal to the emperor himself, the slave Epictetus, and us. Our shells and roles are vastly different, but we are united in being human and feel the same love, anger, desire to live authentically, attempt to live morally, and face mortality. Since the will is free, we are free as well. We can be forced to act a certain way, but no one but ourselves controls our will, reactions, and thoughts. What does it mean to be human? Science cannot help us here. Science assumes that man and nature are purely material, but Viggo points out that this is just an assumption, and nothing more. A plausible assumption, but an assumption nonetheless. Wise men and traditions have, however, always talked about spirit and soul.
Things can never touch the soul, but stand inert outside it, so that disquiet can arise only from fancies within.
Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
This book remains among the absolute greatest I've read__________
edit: i guess the point is that stories speak to us at a deeper level then ideas alone. Kind of how maths can seem unintutive compared to art at times.-
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Thank you, I very much agree with you. Even fictional stories are in one sense more «real,» then sterile facts or word salats of philosophy (I am NOT attacking any tradition here, they mean a lot to so, so many people and have done a lot of good), but stories are the essence of life. It is how we see the world. If you asked me what I did today, you wouldnt want to hear a retelling of how i woke up 08.00, brushed my teath and jada jada jada, but the parts that stood out and was meaningfull.
Think how immortal stories like the Odysseus, the fall and cain and able are. They tell us a lot of what it means to be human, and have inspired countless people. Books like Harry Potter series was literally my childhood.
Let me share some stories that touch me:
In Greek mythology, Sisyphus or Sisyphos(/ˈsɪsɪfəs/; Ancient Greek: Σίσυφος Sísyphos) was the founder and king of Ephyra (now known as Corinth). He was a devious tyrant who killed visitors to show off his power. This violation of the sacred hospitality tradition greatly angered the gods. They punished him for trickery of others, including his cheating death twice. The gods forced him to roll an immense boulder up a hill only for it to roll back down every time it neared the top, repeating this action for eternity. Through the classical influence on modern culture, tasks that are both laborious and futile are therefore described as Sisyphean (/sɪsɪˈfiːən/).[2]
Spoiler
QuoteThe Disciple
When Narcissus died, the pool of his pleasure changed from a cup of sweet waters into a cup of salt tears, and the Oreads came weeping through the woodland that they might sing to the pool and give it comfort.
And when they saw that the pool had changed from a cup of sweet water into a cup of salt tears, they loosened the green tresses of their hair and said,
“We do not wonder that you should mourn in this manner for Narcissus, so beautiful was he.”
“But was Narcissus beautiful ?” said the pool.
“Who should know better than you ?” asked the Oreads. "Us did he ever pass by, but you sought he for, and would lie on your banks and look down at you, and in the mirror of your waters he would mirror his own beauty.”
And the pool answered,
“But I loved Narcissus because, as he lay on my banks and looked down at me, in the mirror of his eyes I saw ever my own beauty mirrored.”
– Oscar Wilde
Quote“My topic today is loneliness,” Christensen said, beginning his presentation. He described loneliness as more than just the feeling of being alone and wishing you had someone there. It is the experience of being alien and unable to understand others. For many, the solution to loneliness is the soul mate, someone with whom one can relate to perfectly and vice versa, as if one person.
Plato addressed the idea of two people coming from one. In Plato’s Symposium, Aristophanes tells the story of how Zeus – fearing that the powerful and physically perfect humans would rise against him – split human beings in half, creating the distinct male and female counterparts. According to Aristophanes, that is why people talk about looking for their “second half” and equate falling in love with “feeling whole.”
Within the play, Plato objects to Aristophanes’ account of the origin of the genders and the idea that one person can be half of a whole. “According to Plato, you can’t truly love something, whether half or whole, unless it is truly good. You can never be satisfied with something that is less than perfection,” explained Christensen.
QuoteAbout easter, witch in pre-christian times was dedicated to the end of winter/spring and the god Baldur is derived from norse Baldr, meaning bold. He is said to be the most beloved and beautiful of all the gods. When Odin started having dreams (prophecies in a sense) about his son death, his wife Freya (fertility, beauty, lady, seidr/magic/shamanism/fate/volva/seer) went around the world and asked all beings, threes, rocks, rivers, metals, you name it, to promise not to harm Balder. They all agreed.
As Baldr now had become immortal, the gods made a game out of throwing things at him. Loki (trickster and a jotun, but never the less a god) disguised himself, as tricksters do, and asked Freya: did everything promise not to harm him? To witch she responded yes, everything but the mistletoe, but why worry about something so small and insignificant?
Loki, still in disguise, approached the blind god Hothr and gave him an arrow with the tip of a mistletoe, and invited him to join the game. The blind god fired his bow, and Baldr died. All beings where in great distress, because they knew that the death of baldr, marked the (beginning) of the end, ragnarrok. Fimbulvinter (the great winter, lasting for three seasons) set in. The sun disappears, laws and morals falls away. The struggle of survival. Men starve, brothers fight brothers. The forces of utgard march against the Asgard, and mankind joins the battle as well. The midgard serpent and Thor fights each other, leaving both dead. Fenrir swallows Odin and his men, the einherjar (those who died in battle and went to valhalla). All giants, gods and men die in this battle. The world is submerged in water.
Baldr, now in the underworld ruled by Lokis daughter Hel, promised to realise him on the condition that the whole world.
Lif and Lifthrasir, destined to survive Ragnarrok, ventured out in time and went on to populate the earth. They worshipped Balder as their main god.
Now, there are various accounts, a lot of unknown elements and also errors in my retteling of it, but i think its pretty cool. The brave god of beauty, associated with spring, dies on the hands of a blind men, tricked by a Loki and killed by an overlooked/insignificant plant. When the god of easter dies, the long winter sets in, and all hell breaks loose. The world cries, hell sets loose and both the forces of evil and good is killed. Two humans remain, life, and their main deity is the god of beauty and spring himself, Baldur…-
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Id like to change my username to Darius Sourdough III. Would that be doable? : )
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32 minutes ago, Nungali said:On what , specifically ?
Hmm, the confidence and self respect to be who you Are and worry less about not being good enough.
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Well, I am not to invested in the bible. I see it as stories, and dont elevate it over other wisdom literature. Much of it disgust me tbh. but there are some nuggets here. I would say that the person you spoke to was intellectually challenged. Try to read the parable by itself, with out putting it in a Christian context. Do you find beauty in it?
@Maddie feel free to answer as well, it is relevant to your objection. I just happened to qoute our Friend nungali