Sir Darius the Clairvoyent

30 minutes ago, blue eyed snake said:

I like that

 

one of the reasons of my deep distrust of christians is the way they have razed our native religion to the ground, our holy oaks were chopped down ( and then our warrior have chopped of their heads), our holy places were desecrated, our holy days were ' transformed' to their feasts to lure the simple folks to their churches.

 

Everything from the olden time is gone.

 

later they have hunted down our wise women under the name of witch-hunt under the guidance of the witch-hammer

 

deep mistrust and anger bubbles up when I hear those mealy mouthed persons blabbing about their constructed infertile god.

 

 

Freya

Close your eyes, take a mushroom, weed or beer If youd like. And boom, it is still there.

There is zero controversial. The correct answer is warn shower.

20 minutes ago, blue eyed snake said:

I like that

 

one of the reasons of my deep distrust of christians is the way they have razed our native religion to the ground, our holy oaks were chopped down ( and then our warrior have chopped of their heads), our holy places were desecrated, our holy days were ' transformed' to their feasts to lure the simple folks to their churches.

 

Everything from the olden time is gone.

 

later they have hunted down our wise women under the name of witch-hunt under the guidance of the witch-hammer

 

deep mistrust and anger bubbles up when I hear those mealy mouthed persons blabbing about their constructed infertile god.

 

 

Freya

Yes… but no. He is the ancestor of our people. Nothing can change that. Yes, much is lost, but the fire burns forever. 
 

corny maybe, but it is from the heart. You to scandinavian? I genuinley belive we have a lot more legacy from the pagan days. Check out Sturla Ellingsvåg, please.

18 hours ago, Nungali said:

Its a big club and you ARE in it !    At the base level of the pyramid .

 

If you ain't in it ... you are against it  ; 

 

Light .... Life ..... Love ...... Liberty !

 

Use it or loose it !

 

" LET IT BE KNOWN that there exists, unknown to the great crowd, a very ancient Order of sages, whose object is the amelioration and spiritual evolution of mankind by means of conquering error and aiding men and women in their efforts of attaining the power of recognising the truth. This Order has existed already in the most remote times and it has manifested its activity secretly and openly in the world under different names and in various forms: it has caused social and political revolutions and proved to be the rock of salvation in times of danger and misfortune. It has always upheld the banner of freedom against tyranny in whatever shape this appeared, whether as clerical or political or social despotism or oppression of any kind.

 

"To this “secret order” every wise and spiritually enlightened person belongs by right of his or her nature: because they all, even if they are personally unknown to each other, are one in their purpose and object and they all work under the guidance of the one light of truth. Into this Sacred Society no one can be admitted by another unless he has the power to enter it himself by virtue of his own interior illumination, neither can anyone after he has once entered be expelled unless he should expel himself by becoming unfaithful to his principles and forget again the truths which he has learned by his own experience. "

Could you tell me a little about the pyramid, my friend? Not a lot, just a tiny bit. Is it purley a state of mind, or is it tangible as well?

18 hours ago, Nungali said:

Thoth, Hermes, Mercury, Odin

Under edit.

 

Odin is the only deity that truly ressonates with me. An enigma. A man known under 170 names. His "real" name meaning shamanic fury or something along those lines. God of war, god of kingship, god of magic, god of poetry, god of the hanged. King of the gods, first king of my people. Leader of the wild hunt and the beserkers. Responsible for shaping the universe. Breathing life into Ash and Elm. On a constant search for wisdom, willing to sacrifice whatever is necessary in the process. I like to believe that he did it, ultimately, for the good of his people.

 

I know this sounds weird, and that this rant is sort of out of place.

 

However, I found it intriguing that you mentioned him in relation to Hermes, Mercury and Toth. Hermes and Mercury are the closest links I have found, although I have struggled finding a true paralelle.  Toth I know nothing about.

 

Tell me please, does he play any role in your tradition?

 

 

 

I have posted this a few times before, forgive me. But Nungali, do you see the same thing I see in the text, an initiation ritual? 

From the song of the high one:

 

I know that I hung on a windy tree
nine long nights,
wounded with a spear, dedicated to Odin,
myself to myself,
on that tree of which no man knows from where its roots run.

No bread did they give me nor a drink from a horn,
downwards I peered;
I took up the runes,
screaming I took them,
then I fell back from there.^[10]

 

^{And after that, he learns the secrets. As it says in my signature:} 

 

^{From a word to a word I was led to a word,
From a work to a work I was led to a work.}

^Havamal

 

 

 

 

 

^{Sorry folks for derailing the thread.} 

1 hour ago, ChiDragon said:

Thank you for your advice. No body is wrong here. They are just have different knowledge about things here. Those who are always against me are acting the same way here. It seems to me that the majority here are acting pretty fairly. That is what I have expected. It is human nature.  I am not upset with anyone here. They have all the rights the reject my ideas. Please don't forget we have an ignore option here for people to choose.

I have nothing against you, just some jokes my friend

@silent thunderhow dear you 😡😡

@ChiDragon
we have teased you enough by now. Now it is time for some genuine advice. If you feel people are downvoting you unfairly, you should try telling them that it is toxic and that they are wrong. I think that is the best solution

One thing that makes me sick to the stomach, is policing of language. I mean, it is literally Orwellian.

'Fact-checking bothers me a little bit. I want uncensored debate and have trust that people are capable of making up their own mind.

 

From an article on fact checking I read today:
 

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"Recently, VG, NRK, the Norwegian Journalist Association, Faktisk.no, the Redaktørforeningen and the Media Companies National Association launched a proposal for a new center for source criticism.

The center will "fight disinformation and strengthen people's resilience against fake news" and estimates an operating budget of NOK 70-100 million."

 

 Allright... but the thing is, the organizations mentioned here, that push for this, are literally 95% of Norwegian media. Who are they going to fact check? Themself? Each other? I kind of took it for granted that they already did, but...

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"Besides, Satter believes, no one is capable of fact-checking fast enough to keep up with their lies and misrepresentations. The lies are designed to appeal to people who are non-factual, on an emotional level.

That is why they need good information, he believes. And if we are not able to give them good information, then you cannot be surprised if the Russians succeed in their propaganda."

 

A much more sensible approach I think.

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"With too great ambitions, fact-checkers are also in danger of smoking more than it grows. It is an impossible task, and one almost certainly gets bogged down in endless whining that one is out to silence dissenting voices.

Such so-called "meta-debates" can quickly go in the "knee-jerk" favour, because many people out there react on autopilot, against "censorship" and better-informed people. Not because it is like that, but because it is experienced and, not least, feels like that.

Some will probably think that the center will become a kind of ministry of truth, with the implication that freedom of expression is once again under attack.

Don't bite it.

It is not, and has never been, an attack on freedom of expression to be critical and make quality requirements for verifiability."

 

What? Nobody is skeptical of verifiability. We love it. We are skeptical of you asking us to believe you on blind faith. A center that controls what information that reaches the people has never been an attack on freedom of expression???

 

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"Of course, we should not fall into the Swedish trap either, where all debate about immigration was chased out of the "opinion corridor". It is, to put it somewhat banally, about behaving maturely and responsibly."

Very reasonable. Only worry I have, is if "behaving maturely" is code for "behave as I want you to." If not, I am good.

 

 

This caricature is from the article:

 

One term I remember the media introduced when Russia invaded Ukraine, was "angrepskrig." Translates to attacking war. I mean... what else is a war? "peace keeping operation?"

10 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

" The meek shall inherit the earth "

 

(after they are dead   ) 

Haha yess, and blessed are tho who giveth to the temple. The gods will reward thy manifold. 

Good day to you!

 

This website is noticebly slower to load than any other I use. When ever I click on something, it takes approx 10 sec. On other websites, it happens instantly. Any idea what might be behind this?

 

Thanks.

Feedback appreciated. So many interresting possibilites to explore. The mysteries, the nature of the gods, relationship with nature, values, after life... 

 

Hope it is of interest for some of you as well!

1. One of humanities largest, oldest, and most influential traditions

2000 years ago, a set of closely related spiritual traditions existed in the northern plains of India, the Persian empire, central Asia, and practically all of Europe. It was the native faith of the Roman Empire and the Greeks, and when they encountered their neighbors to the north, they realized that they were worshipping the very same gods.

This is what Tacitus had to say about the gods of the germanic people: Of all the Gods, Mercury is he whom they worship most. To him on certain stated days it is lawful to offer even human victims. Hercules and Mars they appease with beasts usually allowed for sacrifice. Some of the Suevians make likewise immolations to Isis.

A likely interpretation is that Mercury refers to Odin, Hercules to Thor, and Mars to Tyr.

Pliney the Elder (historia naturalis, ca. 66 ad) made another fascinating connection. He connected the word druid to the Greek word dru, meaning oak. The Celtic cognate would've been draur. Both these would again been derived from the proto indo european word deru - the root word for both the English words tree and true. Originally it seems to have meant firm, solid and steadfast, but also tree or wood (3). In all likelihood, Pliney the Elder was correct. While dru meant oak, the second half of the word, id, might come from vid, essentially meaning deep knowledge. Druid can therefore be interpreted as "those with deep knowledge of the oak." Oak likewise has importance in norse, greek and slavic mythology. There is so much that could be said about the indo europeans relationship to the oak, to evergreen plants and trees, and I might come back to this, but for now, the point was to illustrate a common tradition in Europe that the Europeans themself recognized and wrote about.

The question of the origin of these beliefs is naturally a hard nut to crack. There are truly loads of striking similarities. Although I believe most of these stems from a common root, there have certainly been instances of borrowing as well. Another issue is dating these beliefs. A little silly undertaking in my opinion, as these are organically developed folk beliefs: a totally different beast than the religions of the book. In my opinion, you can not date ideas: they do not appear in a vacuum, but build upon older ones. I belive the safest and most accurate way to date these is to look at where and when this spectrum of closely related people once roamed. This would've been the proto-indo-europeans (by definition). The question is not fully settled, but we can say with a fair amount of confidence that they lived on the Pontic-Caspian steppe around 6,400–3,500 BC +-.

Extraordinary successful as they were, half the world now speaks an indo european language as their mother tongue, making it the largest language family by a long shot.

So what can we say about the beliefs of these people? Very much as well as very little. There are several things to consider here. One of them being their oral nature. Indo european poetry has certain characteristics, such as (1) Use of Fixed Phrases and Epithets, (2) Metaphorical and Symbolic Language, (3) Hero Cult and Concepts of Honor, (4) Oral Transmission and Collective Memory, (5) Distinct Poetic Forms and Rhythms. When you find poetry/epics/myths containing many or all these techniques and structure, you have found something truly indo-european. Being the largest culture on the planet by a long shot, both in terms of geography but also number of people, there are naturally countless examples of these. To mention some of them, we have the Iliad and odyssey, the Mahabharata, Ramayana, and the Eddas.

 

2. Thou shalt have no other gods before me

 

While the chosen people supposedly were walking the desert in search of the promised land, they grew anxious that Moses would not return. To pass the time and calm their nerves, they constructed a golden calf and made sacrifices to it. But as we all know, Moses did return. He returned with the law of the self-proclaimed angry and jealous god. The first three commandments goes like this:

 

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.

2. You shall not make idols.

3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.

 

The phillistines were in all likelihood a Greek people who settled in the holy land. The Israelites called their god, possibly Zeus, Ba'al-Zebub (this form is used in 2 Kings 1:2). It translates to "lord of the flies," likely referring to flies flying around the filthy people not chosen by LORD Yahwe. In the new testament, it is written as Beelzeboul, literally "lord of shit." Beelzebub is also used to refer to the devil. David desired to marry the kings daughter. The brideprice was set at 200 pieces of philistine foreskin. David murdered a couple of hundred philistines, mutilated them and gave their foreskin to the king in exchange for his daughter (1 Samuel 18:27).

Why am I telling you this? It is important to be very clear here. I am doing it for the following reasons:

1. To demonstrate judaisms and Christianities hatred and intolerance for anyone of a different faith.

2. To show how so many deities have been demonized.

3. The militant nature of the faith

 

The Devil' is, historically, the God of any people that one personally dislikes…
Aleister Crowley

 

3. The twilight of the gods

The old tree sighs
when the giant shakes it—
Yggdrasil still stands,
but it trembles.

 

Fenrir howls terribly
before the doors to Hel;
the wolf will break its bonds
and run.

I know much wisdom,
I see deep in the future,
all the way to Ragnarok,
a dark day for the gods.

 

Excerpt from Völuspá, translated by Dr. Jackson Crawford

 

With the help of legislation outlawing the native faith of a people, persecution, mass execution, burning of literature, destruction of temples, pressure, the burning of "witches" and centuries of indoctrination, the Abrahamic religions did everything in their power to utterly destroy any native wisdom tradition of not only Europe, but everywhere they went.

"And so she opens her book with a potent description of black-robed zealots from 16 centuries ago taking iron bars to the beautiful statue of Athena in the sanctuary of Palmyra, located in modern-day Syria. Intellectuals in Antioch (in ancient Syria) were tortured and beheaded, as were the statues around them. The contemporary parallels glare. The early medieval author known as Pseudo-Jerome wrote of Christian extremists: "Because they love the name martyr and because they desire human praise more than divine charity, they kill themselves." He would have found shocking familiarity in the news of the 21st century.
Nixey closes her book with the description of another Athena, in the city of her name, being decapitated around A.D. 529, her defiled body used as a steppingstone into what was once a world-renowned school of philosophy. Athena was the deity of wisdom. The words "wisdom" and "historian" have a common ancestor, a proto-Indo-European word meaning to see things clearly. Nixey delivers this ballista-bolt of a book with her eyes wide open and in an attempt to bring light as well as heat to the sad story of intellectual monoculture and religious intolerance. Her sympathy, corruscatingly, compellingly, is with the Roman orator Symmachus: "We see the same stars, the sky is shared by all, the same world surrounds us. What does it matter what wisdom a person uses to seek for the truth?"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html

To demonstrate with a concrete example:
St. Lucia is celebrated at 13th desember in Italy, and in… Scandinavia, and nowhere in between. Lucia comes from latin lux, meaning light. The scandinavian word for light is lys or variations of it. In the Julian calendar, the 13th december was belived to be the darkest night of the year. Legends of women going around checking If people have prepared for christmas, and either showering them with gifts or punishing them If they fail to do so, are found all across Europe (frau holda, lussi, baba yaga). Notice the similarity between Lussi and Lucia by the way. She takes one of two forms: either demonic, ugly, devil-like, child eating witch, or a friendly women dressed in white carrying a light.

(Lussi, demonized version)

 

Saint Lucias day in a scandinavian elementary school, clearly illustrating the evil nature of the pagan ritual involving children celebrating the return of the sun.

 

Ending words
I am not sure whether I should write a disclaimer or not. I do not want appear apologetic for talking about the native traditions of Europe, and the fanatics who tried to erradicate them in the most gruesome way imaginable. On the other hand, I do not want to attack jews, christians and muslims. I have no problem with you whatsoever. So now, what do I want to communicate?
…

I want to communicate that the image we have of the European, pagan tradition is as twisted as can be. I want to show how the most innocent of practices got persecuted by the people who viewed themself as righteous. I want to keep the fire alive. In upcoming essays, I will focus solely on the beliefs, practices, legacy, and wisdom of the Indo Europeans themself.

To be continued!

2 hours ago, Dedicated said:

 

An other way to look at your musing is, we all need to eat to avoid suffering hunger, so why not turn this necessity into a shared joy.

Beautifull.

4 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Please don't! I am only following the principles of the TTC. That's all.

And thats fine. Personally, I do mot follow any doctrine as of yet. I pick and mix.

Just now, ChiDragon said:

Yes, it is. We do have a clash of culture in TDB. People come to study Taoism but not accepting the idealism of Taoism.

I am open minded. I just like to make up my own opinion as well. Dont expect me to take every word you say as gospel.

1 minute ago, Nungali said:

 

Yet in many  cases the 'soul' is considered 'feminine' 

 

This is our 'soul'   trying to have relationship with our body       :

 

https://www.theoi.com/Ouranios/Psykhe.html

 

( someone is always going to try to interfere , aren't they . )

Jupp, same here. Fylgja. I know english dont have grammatical gender, but it is very easy to tell in those that do.

3 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

My astrological makeup is strongly Cancerian and Neptunian , symbols of the feminine  and the mystical , also associated with Luna ; the occult, mystical, unconscious, etc .  That can easily go out of balance but fortunately I have a well placed Mercurial regulator  ( again 'androgynous' energy with Mercury  but from the male 'form' .

Could you tell me a little about mercury energy, what it entails and where it comes from?

Just now, ChiDragon said:

Well, IMHO. It was a very hostile behavior just with a tap on the icon. It generates a hidden uncomfortable feeling between two members.

Yeah maybe. Putting a led on your truth does as well, imo

4 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Now, a child becomes an adult. Unfortunately, perhaps it is a necessity to do some cultivation to subdue our childish behavior.

I think this is a clash of culture. Here were i live, not being able to speak ones mind, be honest, protect people and fight back is considered weakness, not virtue. Isnt it curious that some philosopher dont want you to ve rebelious? A little too convenient?

9 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Well, is there a need to show one's anger?

When I was a child, my mother used to tell me that we have a troll in our stomach. When we ignore it, it grows and grows. But when you recognize it, it explodes. Sun (truth) turns the troll (chaos) to stone (kills it).

2 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Yes, that is applied to the things, in general, with the yin-yang concept in Yijing. However, when it was applied to human behavior, it is about peace and harmony only. That is what Laozi advocates in the TTC.

So where do you hide away your more animalistic tendencies?

4 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Taoism is about peace and harmony. Whether someone likes it or not, just let it be without any adverse effect on either side of the party. Let nature take its course without interruption. 

Is it also not about how light implies dark, and visa versa?

Okay than my Friend, ill give you a couple of hearts

Isnt taoism about the ☯️ tho?