Sir Darius the Clairvoyent

2 minutes ago, Daniel said:

 

That's not what it says.  It says that Jesus will "confirm the Torah revealed before".  That means that the thins forbidden are NOT in the Torah which was given before.  The things which were forbidden, are forbidden in error.  But since we don't have Jesus' actual teachings, then we don't actually know what those are.

Well, he did reject loads of aspects of judaism for one thing… basically put it upside down… and we have more of his teaching then any jewish prophet so..

Daniel, my honest impression is that people here like you, but to be a little direct: you do have a tendecy to take thing personally and unwillingness to move on. Im sorry, but that is my impression.

 

Early on we had a good tone, and im honestly gratefull for the responses you gave me. I have nothing against you and i hope it is mutual.

4 minutes ago, ChimpSage said:

You can become an immortal without ever taking a glance at the DDJ IMO

What is an immortal in this setting?

This turned in to some spiritual warfare stuff

 

5 minutes ago, Maddie said:

 

I see. This is my understanding as well, and the reason for that is because as I apply these teachings I see a reduction in suffering. The Buddha said if you apply his teachings you will see a reduction in suffering. This gives me confidence that he knows what he's talking about. 

  Since applying what he has taught has worked so far it gives me reasonable confidence that it is correct and encourages me to continue to apply what the Buddha taught. 

   In regards to conversation, isn't that exactly what we are doing? Aren't we having a conversation about the teachings?

Very fair. Just wonder if termonoligy and concepts like enlightenment for example, my complicate stuff unneccarrily. But by all means, i support that comment and good to hear you find value in it

15 minutes ago, Maddie said:

 

What better method would you propose then?

 

Since I am personally not enlightened and therefore in delusion it is necessary for me to grasp onto the teachings of someone that escaped delusion. If I ever reach Nirvana then I suppose I will be qualified to teach from my personal point of view, but until then I study the teachings of the Buddha. If you know a better method I'd be eager to hear it. 

I mean, im no Christ myself, but the only thing we can talk genuinley about is our understanding, and maybe with conversation we can all learn

39 minutes ago, Maddie said:

 

So you don't want me to discuss Buddhism anymore? But isn't this a forum for such things to be discussed?

 

I've honestly been surprised at the amount of emotional reaction to analyzing the Buddha's teaching on the false sense of self and how it leads to suffering because to me it was a glorious revelation that has drastically improved my quality of life.

I am not judging at all, and have no problem with it. But dont you think that often these things are better discussed without viewing then trough a lense of teachings?

6 minutes ago, Daniel said:

 

This has no connection to the logical truth:

 

If someone is declaring another person deluded they are declaring that they, themself, are NOT deluded.

 

You seem to want me to admit that, in general,  I can be wrong about ... stuff.  Of course I can be wrong about stuff, but, I'm not wrong about this.  I am very happy to hear another persepctive.  Go ahead.  Please, tell me about how a person who is deluded can accurately assess another person's delusion.  I am listening.

 

I am confident about this, because, I have put a lot of thought into it.  I put a lot of thought into everything I post here.   This is a good thing.  That's why people rarely, if ever, refute what I've written.  And the community doesn't like that.  The community wants to see my confidence knocked down.

 

Go ahead.  Knock it down.  I would absolutely love to be proven wrong, and or, to learn sometthing new.  Show me what I'm missing about this.

 

No but Daniel, sincerly, i am not your enemy. In fact i appreciate a lot of what you do. It is not a battle, but a forum for conversation

21 minutes ago, Daniel said:

 

If someone is delusional, how can they accurately assess anyone else's delusion?  Their own conclusions about another individual's delusions could be delusional.

 

If someone knows they, themself are blind, then they would not be able to accurately assess another person's eyesight.

I mean, we are all «not perfect» to put it mildly. It is really easy to recognize these traits in others, but hard in one self. Sometimes you (in general, not as in daniel) need to here from another perspective 

Just now, Daniel said:

 

Um... I never asked you to follow me, and it's quite obvious you don't.  So, what's your point?

That i dont see how that logically follows.

6 minutes ago, Daniel said:

None the less, the one accusing all others as delutional is not, and cannot be including themself

I do not follow Daniel 

15 hours ago, ChimpSage said:

Daoism in its most basic form is simply the way of infinite light and virtue.

 

A Daoist is someone who is on the pathway towards removing all vice and darkness and becoming pure virtue and light.

 

Everything else is not Daoism. May call itself Daoism but it’s not.

 

Similarly, a Daoist may call themselves a Buddhist but if they’re on the way, they’re a Daoist.

 

Just a label that points us to a pathway up the mountain towards embodying divinity. Embracing God rather than animal within us.

Hmmm… i have no clue, but i was under the impression that it was about embracing or at least accepting the… realities of life, and not binary in its approach? ☯️

On 19.11.2023 at 11:54 PM, Nungali said:

Or even have the same root in antiquity .

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I am a newcomer and amateur on the subjects, but i must say that i am impressed both by the qaulity of the contend aswell as the atmophere and the members willingness to help me understand.

Good lord, that toook like to hours trying to Get thw pictures in. Ar least its done, good night all 

from a post i made on another forum:

Went down a little tirade on gift giving shamans flying trough the air in mid winter, gift giving, goats (alot of goats, everywhere), as well as evergreen plants and, you know, The Dark Lord 👹🐐. 
 

Lets go:

Odin travels the realms of the world tree on his Eight legged horse sleipnir, flying in to unseen realms : )

The mead of poetry is a beverage (entirely with Out any psychoactive ingredients of course) that grants who ever tastes it the gift of poetry and knowledge. often associated with Odin the god of 'possession' via berserker rage or poetic inspiration.

 

 

Etymotolgy of Odin:

From Proto-Germanic *Wōdanaz, derived from Proto-Germanic *wōdaz (“rage, manic inspiration, furor poeticus”), from Proto-Indo-European *weh₂t- (“to be excited”). 

 

Depiction of the cloacked, wandering wise shaman, who travelled the skies on his Eight legged horse. Every mid winter he would organize a feast at his «castle.»  Indulgence was something to celebrate back then. He knew each character as well; and awarded them there after.

Here you see a nisse (magical creature) dressed in the color of Coke. Even the mushroom picked a matching attire.

 

 

 

A mistletoe!

 

Evergreen trees symbolosing fertility and rebirth at darkest time of the year? Cool, Jesus of Nazareth approves.

 

No, lets move to the Kalash tribe of India:

These people to decorate with an evergreen plant called Chaumos, every winter solstice. And look, a goat! 

 

The dardic (kalash) goes as follows: the gods and a hunter meet at a mountain, and the gods invites him to a cermony and a feast, where a mountain goat will ve sacrificed in his honour. He is given the meaty tigh bone, witch he devovers. After that, he broke the bone, to reach the marrow.  The gods looked on in horrow and the hunter understood how he had wronged. In a panick he tried to replace the broken bone with a stick, but when the gods revived the goat again, he was limping.

 

This reminds me of something… Lets return to the north for a moment.

 

Thor on his goat driven chariot, travelling trough Asgard. Every night he slaughters them, and ever morning they rise again, good as new.

On one of his journey, he stopped outside a farm to rest. He offered the family living there his goats, but on one condition…. Dont break the marrow!

 

But when the god tried to ressuract his goats, he noticed one of them was limping. He furiously demanded answers, and two of the farmers children admitted it, as true it was. To pay him back they travel with him now.

 

 

 

 

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We seemed to really like goats once up on a time…

Julebukk, a very old and popular decoration in sweden.

 

Painting called old christmas (1833), From Robert Seymour,  The Book of Christmas (1888)

 

Oh look, it is our Friend the devil Pan, playing his flute in the lush forrest. Goat leggs and a creature of Trine. Demonic, truly demonic….

 

Because some how these folkelore motiefs… seems to have morfed a little:

the friendly goat Kranpus. I likes to boil children alive in the alps. Very popular with the locals,  but due to thw reformtion, authorties did little… well.

 

Nobodys home, i promise!

 

Satan himself, also known as Lucifer the morning star, light bringer.

 

well, it was fun looking in to this, hope you enjoyed as well. Dont belive what i way, i am intellectually challenged…. Buuuuut…. I cant help but feel that goats in more nature centered pagan societies had a different feel then the horned one.

 

 

 

double post…

But do Christian themselves consider themselves «abrahami?» i know it is used in academica. But somehow i cant really imagine christians being bothered about the bloodlines and genealogi or religious laws.

 

Important to stress that i grew up in q secular, liberal and traditionally lutheran nation. I am aware that there a loads of churches, so i guews it depends… but for me, christianity has alllways been about the narrative of and trying to follow the teachings of the idealized perfect being, the Christ. We never learned about OT in church and school, it was all about the son of god, and the «sacrifice and ressuraction» symbology.

11 hours ago, Nungali said:

Regardless of what the 'Holy' Books say to their believers

This, i belive, is essential to keep in mind.

So, some sort of marking around these days, is very common around the world, most notable is of course Christmas. 

But with so many traditions accross time and space, i am sure there is a lot of variation between different celebrations. 

I invite you to share how your tradition marks these holiest of days, and merry christmas to all.

thanks for the help so far. I just downloaded the dao de zing as well as «warrior scholar,» as suggested by Trunk. Still have two Audible credits left, so ill see after ive finished these. Promising so far, I might ask a question here or in a seperate thread when im done with these.

 

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I do get a strong sense that Dao is similar to the heraclian and stoic sense of logos as universal law. 
 

from wiki:

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The writing of Heraclitus (c. 535 – c. 475 BC) was the first place where the word logos was given special attention in ancient Greek philosophy,[17]although Heraclitus seems to use the word with a meaning not significantly different from the way in which it was used in ordinary Greek of his time.[18] For Heraclitus, logos provided the link between rational discourse and the world's rational structure.[19]

This logos holds always but humans always prove unable to ever understand it, both before hearing it and when they have first heard it. For though all things come to be in accordance with this logos, humans are like the inexperienced when they experience such words and deeds as I set out, distinguishing each in accordance with its nature and saying how it is. But other people fail to notice what they do when awake, just as they forget what they do while asleep.

— Diels–Kranz, 22B1

For this reason it is necessary to follow what is common. But although the logos is common, most people live as if they had their own private understanding.

— Diels–Kranz, 22B2

Listening not to me but to the logos it is wise to agree that all things are one.

— Diels–Kranz, 22B50[20]

What logos means here is not certain; it may mean "reason" or "explanation" in the sense of an objective cosmic law, or it may signify nothing more than "saying" or "wisdom".[21] Yet, an independent existence of a universal logos was clearly suggested by Heraclitus.[22]

 

 

Any thoughts?

 

Cheers

On 18.12.2023 at 10:06 AM, Chang dao ling said:

Read Eva Wang,Damo Mitchell, Jerry alan Johnson Books

Thank you. Im probally only buying one, what would you reccomend.

 

Also, Tao te ching is available on YouTube i see, that is the «main» text, is it not?

 

edit: is it fair to say daoism is more about «a way of Life,» then a philosophy?

Some background on this Christian mytic:

 

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Meister Eckhart, full name Eckhart von Hochheim, was an influential German theologian, philosopher, and mystic in the late Middle Ages, circa 1260 to 1328. A prominent figure in Christian mysticism, he was renowned for his profound sermons and writings that delved into the nature of God and the relationship between the divine and the human.

A member of the Dominican Order, Eckhart's teachings emphasized a direct, personal experience of God, sometimes articulated through paradoxes and innovative language use. His ideas were controversial, and some of his propositions were even condemned as heretical posthumously.

However, his work has continued to influence Christian mysticism and philosophy, and in modern times, his thoughts have resonated in various spiritual and philosophical contexts. Meister Eckhart is often considered one of the greatest German mystics of the Middle Ages.

His sermons: