Sir Darius the Clairvoyent

9 hours ago, Salvijus said:

 

A video about orgasm for my fellow orgasm lovers here

I thought eastern traditions was about semen retention and abstinence. But i an shamefully(lessy?) ignorant, as ive probally demonstrated.

On 1.11.2023 at 10:37 PM, Nungali said:

Some might find the  central idea about  ' Dune '  and the 'Freman'  ( free man ) interesting in this regard  .

lets see If the symbolism is gets clearer this time. And dont snob Out on me about reading the book. I can read english academic texts, but fiction, no chance. I think it is because when i read fiction, my mind is in «relaxed mode» and i need it in my native tongue.

i have a copy of the alchemist aswell, maybe i should give it a go

@Nungali regarding the zoroastrian principles you qouted, would you like to share some on your journey to getting less angrimanu and ahura Mazda (forgive my spelling)

4 hours ago, Taomeow said:

For anyone interested, it's still there.) 

🙋‍♂️ link?

1 hour ago, wandelaar said:

Besides not all forms of Christianity are equally bad, seeing Jesus as an inspiring figure doesn't automatically make one into an idiot. And there are also some other christian figures who are worthy of respect. It's mainly the fundamentalist believers who are the problem, because they often (but not always) want to force their own intolerant norms, rules and idea's on others.

I appreciate this. Even tho i see him as mostly a mythological being, i think his sayings are beautifull and the narrative of forgiveness, sacrifice and ressuraction as powerfull. I also belive in God as in a singualar, transcendent deity. The trinity is a good concept aswell.
If that makes me Christian i do not know. I think it is undeniable that the church is a hoax and all that, and all my knowledge of the bible is just what i have picked up naturally by living in a traditional western country. When it comes to the more lulu part of scripture i just throw them in the bin.  But in the bigger picture, how can you hate a guy who said (well, he probally did not, but at least it is attributed to him,) said stuff like this:

I know barley anything about judaism or islam tho. This might just be my perfection, but i get the sense they are often reluctant to talk about their faith with outsider.

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and by all means, no pressure, If you intend this to be a eastern forum that is of course fully up to you.

From a historic point of view, i think its influence can not be undetstated. You can not talk about «the western mind» without mentioning christianity, even If the person is not a beliver personally. Same goes for islam in the mid east and, i assume, for judaism and eastern belief. 
«I am the alpha and omega»

edit: speaking for my self, i grew up in a nation where only 30% belive in god and had zero dogma pushed down my throat, but the Christ narrative is still ingrained in me.

I was searching a bit, and found someone saying that this «thing» or maybe «lack of thing» that daoism is, can not be described. Fair enough, putting reality in to concepts and words is reductive, but how can i, as an outsider, get a sense of something that can not be named, described or defined? 
I will take a look at the links at a later date, but will be busy for a while 🤓

4 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Why do people masturbate. To orgasm and expand and experience love

Say that to Yahwe or Kellogs

12 hours ago, Nungali said:

have a good life

But that leads to a further, but maybe more fruitfull question, what does that consist of? I feel «happiness» is to hollow and fleeting to be the answer. 
 

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But I get your point ... I remeber as a kid sitting through all that school and 

 

" What the hell am I doing here ? " 

I study economics right, and i dont know why it took me so long to realize that i hate 80% of it. I think i just liked the sense of «going somewhere,» but now i would choose a meaningfull job with 30k over «white-snip» one with 100k. 
 

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It just ..... IS  .   Enjoy    

 

Why are you here ?   Well, where else you going to be ? 

 

if you mean 'purpose'  what is our purpose in being here , my answer is  to be the ears eyes and body of '  the Gods', to experience , for them,  the material world and all its lessons and potential for development and advancement .

Could i have a word with him? Ah im complaining, it goes up and down i guess. 
 

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I think the argument for free will i rather weak, so in a way i think we are just observeres. Even observing «descisions.» I listened to a podcast with Elon Musk, where he said that the reason for a simulation would be that «the creator» didnt know what would happen.

6 minutes ago, Maddie said:

 

Probably not which is specifically why I used the word objective.

 

Life can absolutely have subjective meaning but of course that would be the meaning that we give it ourselves.

Considering that everything is precievied, analyzed and interperted in our own mind, is anything at all objective, or is it just a dream?

meaning

/ˈmiːnɪŋ/

noun

what is meant by a word, text, concept, or action.

Edit:

purpose

/ˈpəːpəs/

noun

1. 

the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists.

"the purpose of the meeting is to appoint a trustee"

45 minutes ago, Maddie said:

What if life has no objective meaning?

Can a  sense of meaning ever be objective?

Come to think about it, im not sure i really understand what meaning acctually means. Like, from the perspective of man fish and deer are put in the «human food-categori.» 
I doubt fish and deer agree.

edit: fixing my uenglush (autocorrect messes it up somethime)

7 minutes ago, Maddie said:

What if life has no objective meaning?

Strong postbiity, but then we are left with nihilism, and im not sure im strong enough to handle that. The few times ive truly felt a «purpose» is in romantic relationships. After my period of sickness however, i am more isolated then ever before.

@Nungali is beehive the meaning of Life?

Could the meaning of life be discovered in silence and mindfullness? Does anyone here feel that they have found it, or are we just flying on a rock in a massive universe?

So, Jung said it was in the darkest period you discover you purpose. I feel i am in one of my Harder periods now. I feel lost. To Jung, the meaning of life was finding something youd be willing to sacrifice you life for, and becomning who you are (individuation). Like oak «seed» is supposed to evolve into a magnificent oak. 

2 hours ago, dwai said:

I’m not personally interested in Abrahamic religions per se, but would like to find out more about Kabbalah for instance. 

I think this is a good point of view. On surface level they seem dogmatic, boring, even insane, but i do think gnosticism, sufism, mystical jewish traditions are interresting. It is not that important to me personally, just thought about it since all other major traditions are represented.

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

Above we have an image of the three Gunas  ; 

 

 

read it ... you will see how  the 3 : 4  'thing' is a universal principle .  ie; 3 things come together to form an 'ideal'  (non material , but 'real ) form or pattern and from this emerges , or they result in, a 4th material , or 'further towards material' product .   Its basic  '4 element' theory ; fire water air ... earth 'solid material reality stuff ' .

 

4 principles each in 3 modes  with a 'quintessential'  'apart from that'  origin .

 

(  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintessence )

 

I postulate it came from the pattern of the human hand  ; four fingers in 3 parts and a thumb  ... or the pattern is just so universal that it works good for a hand  < shrug > .

 

The 4 powers of physics ; electo-magnetic force, strong force, weak force,  ( which can all be 'unified' )  and Gravity .  They cant fit gravity into the 'Unified field' theory as it , according to this concept, is 'out side' ... or a 'result of' the other three .

 

There is an old thread around somewhere  where we played with moving  the G constant  to the other side of the accepted  formulae ... ie  AFTER  the = sign  and not before it .

 

The other addition to the 3:4  pattern is often  a 7  based system , which I think was based on the observation of the 7 'heavenly wanderers ' .

 

 

The Principles

 Mysterious Energy, triform, mysterious Matter, in fourfold and sevenfold division, the interplay of which things weave the dance of the Veil of Life upon the Face of the Spirit ...

I will sir, but right now i need to hammer Out 50 Pages in ten days, so… priorites. But i do appreicate it.

5 minutes ago, steve said:

Buddhism has the trinity of the three kayas - 

the enlightened body, speech, and mind (dharmakaya, sambhogakaya, and nirmianakaya)

 

Reminds me of the etymology of Wotan, Villi and Ve (Odin and his brothers, creator of mankind), which translates to shamanic fury, the will and the sacred.

Thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis. It works for loads of stuff, and it makes sense. I should probally post this in @Nungalis thread, but i havent got around to reading it yet. But i will.

Makes sense tho. How we start as one ocean, duality arises from a induviduated observer, a wave in the ocean, and a trinitarian unity is what we are left with when we combine duality and «all is one».

And yes, @Cobie, after a Google search it is clear that it is overwhelmingley considered a fraud, and i understand your concern about confirnation bias

1 hour ago, Cobie said:

Bias in the question.
You would need to balance that out with asking chatgdp for some of the reasons it might not be real. 

 

 

Do you have a brain? The points 1. to 5. are all ridiculous.
#1 we modern Dutch people can fantasise very well, thank you!

#2 it was never intended as a ‘forgery’, it was a practical joke.

#3 it was written in a made up language.

#4 and #5  lol, now something is true because some people believe it?

 

 

Indeed it was very easy - read my above post, first 2 quotes.

But then there never is any convincing of ‘true believers’ with facts.

 

This was my last ever reply to you.

Firstly, you seem to be unable to think, see above 1. to 5.
Secondly, more importantly, the stuff in the OLB is extremely racist and ultra right wing.
Seems to me you like that stuff, so I say to you “bye bye”.

 

 

Dont worry, no reason to say good bye. Just thought it included some historical events that wouldnt have been known at the time (Bronze age collapse) and that the language was older. And i did Ask the opposite question aswell, and admitted that it seems you are correct. 

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

The Oera Linda book is considered to have been written as a practical joke.

 

- The language is not actually Old Frisian.
It also contains Dutch, German, French, English, ‘Modern Frisian’ and ‘Town Frisian’ words and the syntax is that of modern Dutch and German.

- A translation key was added to enable reading the so-called ‘runic script’.

 

- The suspected authors are three Dutch people: Over de Linden, who published it; Eelco Verwijs, a linguist specialised in Dutch language; and François HaverSchmidt, aka Piet Paaltjens, a minister and very famous writer.

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oera_Linda 

 

The Oera Linda Book is 19th century literature.

https://www.academia.edu/619669/Het_Oera_Linda_boek_facsimile_transcriptie_vertaling_Goffe_Jensma_editor_Hilversum_Verloren_2006_  

 

 

There are some intruging aspects of it though, all tho as you correctly point out, most mainstream academics are sceptical today. I asked chatgdp for some of the reasons it might be real:

Certainly, here's the translation of the arguments that suggest the "Oera Linda Book" might be authentic, into English:

1. **Detailed Narratives:** Some proponents claim that the book's detailed and complex narratives are too sophisticated to be purely fictional, especially considering the time of its first presentation. These narratives could indicate a deeper knowledge of history or culture that was unknown at that time.

2. **Lack of Motive for Forgery:** Those arguing for the book's authenticity suggest there was no clear motive for forgery, particularly since there was no apparent financial or personal gain for the author.

3. **Linguistic Characteristics:** Some linguists and researchers have pointed out unique aspects of the language used in the book, which they claim could indicate an origin earlier than the 19th century.

4. **Cultural Resonance:** The fact that the book has had some cultural and historical impact, especially among certain groups in the Netherlands and among some neopagan or nationalist movements, has been used to argue for its significance, if not its authenticity.

5. **Mystique and Occult Interest:** The interest in the book within esoteric and occult circles has sometimes been used as evidence of its unique nature or hidden truths.

It's important to note that these arguments are not widely accepted in the scientific community, and most historians and linguists still consider the "Oera Linda Book" to be a forgery. The evidence and methodologies used to support its authenticity have often been criticized as inadequate or flawed. The overwhelming scientific consensus is that the book is a product of the 19th century, rather than an authentic ancient text.

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shouldnt it be fairly easy to test when a book was written?

9 minutes ago, Apech said:

I thought I had explained this already.

Possibly, ill take a look at the previous posts.

9 minutes ago, Nungali said:

yeah ... possibly .  I am not keen on the  'ours is the only real right opinion '   trip .

 

Then again , I am not clear on what an 'Abrahamic' definition is  ?

Neither am i. I have the sense that christianity is mainly a greek invention, and that both jewdaism and Islam has heavy pagan origin. So does Christianity to be fair, but that seems to be more european pagansism and mithras.

Also, from what i have gathered from the quran, they are really not aware of Christian and jewish scripture, and yeah… abrahamic is not a good description, but as a sub-forum i figured it could work.