Sir Darius the Clairvoyent
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20 hours ago, NaturaNaturans said:Think water/baptism has similar symbolism
somewhat related to this, according to «the immortality key» blood refers to the wine of dionysys, drinken in various greek and near eastern mystery traditions.A little off topic, I know, but If i got the right sense of you, you wouldnt mind some trivia.
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1 hour ago, Apotheose said:Mirror mirror, what should be my next step?
I want to be a wise man!
“Listen, do not overstep…
A wise man you can become,
But first you need to be a Bum”bum1
/bʌm/
noun
INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
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a vagrant.
"bums had been known to wander up to their door and ask for a sandwich"
I have mastered being a bum, now wisdom awaits
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23 hours ago, Apotheose said:What is your interpretation of John 3:3?
John 3:3 - “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again”
Is “birth” here metaphorical or literal?
I feel 100% certain that birth is metaphorical. You are born again when you find christ. Think water/baptism has similar symbolism. How can you literally be born again?
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QuoteSo now that you have clarified that you mean mind-matter this is less relevant, but this passage about one of the absolute earliest western thinkers on record might be worth a read:
QuoteAnother of Heraclitus' famous sayings highlights the idea that the unity of opposites is also a conflict of opposites: "War is father of all and king of all; and some he manifested as gods, some as men; some he made slaves, some free"; war is a creative tension that brings things into existence.
When it comes to mind matter, I would conclude that one has to come from the other in order to interract.We even have a fancy latin term for that, primera materia. But best I stop there before i butcher yet another tradition, but alchemy has to touch on this mind-matter issue, no?
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@Zhongyongdaoist you made a statement about the exact topic I was thinking about: can we say that dualism is wrong or less valid? I do not think so
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On 29.1.2024 at 12:16 PM, S:C said:Does anyone have an idea, where the first traces of dualistic thought originated in western thinking?
I remember Manichäism (Augustinus of Hippo) but it must have been way earlier. Kind of ‘fall of men’ like… serpent, Adam and Eve, own moral judgements etc?
I think we can go way, way back. At least 6000 years:
QuoteTrito is a significant figure in Proto-Indo-European mythology, representing the first warrior and acting as a culture hero.[1] He is connected to other prominent characters, such as Manu and Yemo,[1] and is recognized as the protagonist of the myth of the warrior function,[1]establishing the model for all later men of arms.[1] In the legend, Trito is offered cattle as a divine gift by celestial gods,[2] which is later stolen by a three-headed serpent named *H₂n̥gʷʰis('serpent').[2][3][4] Despite initial defeat, Trito, fortified by an intoxicating drink and aided by the Sky-Father,[2][4][5] or alternatively the Storm-God or *H₂nḗr, 'Man',[4][6] together they go to a cave or a mountain, and the hero overcomes the monster and returns the recovered cattle to a priest for it to be properly sacrificed.[2][4][5] He is now the first warrior, maintaining through his heroic deeds the cycle of mutual giving between gods and mortals.[1][4] Scholars have interpreted the story of Trito either as a cosmic conflict between the heavenly hero and the earthly serpent or as an Indo-European victory over non-Indo-European people, with the monster symbolizing the aboriginal thief or usurper.[7]Trito's character served as a model for later cattle raiding epic myths and was seen as providing moral justification for cattle raiding.[1]The legend of Trito is generally accepted among scholars and is recognized as an essential part of Proto-Indo-European mythology, although not to the level of Manu and Yemo.[8]
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Nothing ground breaking, just a piece of history: archaeology.org/issues/540-2401/letter-from/11968-rome-jewish-catacombs
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Giving this a follow, as I do love reading but hate reading (If that makes sense, witch is does not). I did like this one quite a bit, it feels like a walk in the park with a wise man, reminding you of your excistence being part of a long line and not just a feather in the wind. Ancestors by Neil Oliver, who you might recognize from tv.
It is mostly flow of conciousness «philosophyfing» with some fun facts sprinkled in. Like how the german word for the stone gneis the is the ancestor of english nice, witch gives a rich history to an everyday word, imagining stone age people beating rocks together for that Life saving spark. And the word human meaning earthly being. Also some less fun events, like an aboriginal tribe that went downhil quick with the introduction of new drugs.
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Lets bring out the scape goat and the peace pipe for Europes last indigenous reindeer population instead.
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Just now, snowymountains said:That's lucid dreaming
Thought it was the same, but i guess not
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I have done it twice. Apologies If its allready mentioned, but what I did, was making a habit of knocking on doors, walls etc. When the door didnt feel like a door, i knew I was dreaming, and could take controll.
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How could I forget the legend:
«Thrilled to meet the famous thinker, Alexander asked if there was any favor he might do for him. To that, Diogenes replied:
“Move a little to the right; you are blocking my sun.”
Alexander then declared, “If I were not Alexander, then I should wish to be Diogenes.” This famous anecdote is known across the world.»
https://greekreporter.com/2023/10/18/alexander-great-diogenes-philosophy/
Btw, what does the tittle mean?
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On 30.1.2024 at 8:02 AM, Apotheose said:Have you ever noticed that Great Mystics have purposely deprived themselves from having comfortable conditions? Like resigning wealth and embracing poverty etc... By 'privation inoculum' I mean 'induced privation' - the act of depriving oneself of certain conditions. In your perspective, which would be the purposes of such practices?
I know that I hung on a windy tree
nine long nights,
wounded with a spear, dedicated to Odin,
myself to myself,
on that tree of which no man knows from where its roots run.No bread did they give me nor a drink from a horn,
downwards I peered;
I took up the runes,
screaming I took them,
then I fell back from there-
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On 29.1.2024 at 3:28 PM, Daniel said:We were chosen and singled out for punishment... among other things. That's why traditional jewish music is often melancholy, bitter-sweet in the tonal arrangement. "Chosen" is not all champaign and roses.
But thats just even sadder in my view, the idea that you are born «wrong» or deserving of punishment.
edit: in fairness this is present in christianity as well, in the fall and the redemption arch. Original sin, no? The term in my language would translate to «inherited sin»… not a fan
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On 29.1.2024 at 3:50 PM, Daniel said:It's a mystery.
The first challenge is to accurately define judaism. Maybe start there.
I think you are in a better position to do that. Followers of the Torah, is that fair?
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On 29.1.2024 at 11:21 PM, Apotheose said:
Not so familiar, thanks for sharing.I find it interesting that very distinct traditions share common myths and beliefs. Like the Great Flood, the sacrifices etc. Very intriguing.
One of the things I find intriguing about myths and religions, are how unbelivably old they are, and have been passed down for thouasands of thouasands of years. Homer recorded his epics in what, 900 bc? Yet versions of Oedipus can be found as far as way as the americas… i love old stuff
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20 hours ago, Apotheose said:Maybe @Nungali, @NaturaNaturans and @snowymountains would want to give their perspectives on this.
I’m sure you’d add much to the discussion.
Not to much sir, but a little.
On happiness: I have heard that we all have a baseline. Events can draw us down or lift us up, but only for a while; sooner or later we return to our «natural state.» I had a dream about this, now i wish i remember it.
On spolitude or leaving the tribe: this one is pretty universal, I think. We have shamans going to the wildernes before returning, initiation/comming of age rituals, the koryos (indo-european in origin, but found in many decended cultures), monks, Jesus in the desert… I am sure Nungalina knows of a million others.
Interrestingly, depressed people aslo find a need for solitude (nedlesset to say: no medical advice here), and i have also heard that the dreadfull, sterile enviorment in hospitals are designed that way for a reason: because a low stimuli enviorment have a healing effect.
So maybe it is a way to fine, or get in tune, with our true self (not the persona)?
If we can live in bliss all the time? My western mind says no, day is defined by night, but then again, there certainly seem to be a few gems out there who are able to achieve both higher and longer periods of bliss.
SpoilerAn American investment banker was at the pier of a small coastal Mexican village when a small boat with just one fisherman docked. Inside the small boat were several large yellowfin tuna. The American complimented the Mexican on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took to catch them.
The Mexican replied, “only a little while. The American then asked why didn’t he stay out longer and catch more fish? The Mexican said he had enough to support his family’s immediate needs. The American then asked, “but what do you do with the rest of your time?”
The Mexican fisherman said, “I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, take siestas with my wife, Maria, stroll into the village each evening where I sip wine, and play guitar with my amigos. I have a full and busy life.” The American scoffed, “I am a Harvard MBA and could help you. You should spend more time fishing and with the proceeds, buy a bigger boat. With the proceeds from the bigger boat, you could buy several boats, eventually you would have a fleet of fishing boats. Instead of selling your catch to a middleman you would sell directly to the processor, eventually opening your own cannery. You would control the product, processing, and distribution. You would need to leave this small coastal fishing village and move to Mexico City, then LA and eventually New York City, where you will run your expanding enterprise.”
The Mexican fisherman asked, “But, how long will this all take?”
To which the American replied, “15 – 20 years.”
“But what then?” Asked the Mexican.
The American laughed and said, “That’s the best part. When the time is right you would announce an IPO and sell your company stock to the public and become very rich, you would make millions!”
“Millions – then what?”
The American said, “Then you would retire. Move to a small coastal fishing village where you would sleep late, fish a little, play with your kids, take siestas with your wife, stroll to the village in the evenings where you could sip wine and play your guitar with your amigos.”
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@Apoostrophe are you familiar with (the reconstructed) proto-indo-european creation myth?
from wiki:
Cosmic sacrifice
The first man Manu and his giant twin Yemo are crossing the cosmos, accompanied by a primordial cow. To create the world, Manu sacrifices his brother and, with the help of heavenly deities (the Sky-Father, the Storm-Godand the Divine Twins),[4][13] forges both the natural elements and human beings from his twin's remains.[14][5]
Manu thus becomes the first priest after initiating sacrifice as the primordial condition for the world order. His deceased brother Yemo turns into the first king as social classes emerge from his anatomy (priesthood from his head, the warrior class from his breast and arms, and the commoners from his sexual organs and legs).[14]
and then i add the old norse creation myth, just because i am a little etnocentric and i find it beautifull:
(English bottom right)
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1 hour ago, Nungali said:What is this 'mental immune system ' ?
A metaphor, likening our mental strength or health with that of the bodies immune system. Like how you are quicker to anger with less sleep.
Cure? Maybe not, but there Are strategies to become healthier, think more clearly.
A minatour? No, something much worse: myself haha
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First off, i am not interrested in theology, scripture or doctrine in this thread. I want to learn from what culture the faith developed and was influenced by, the cannonization of it, what sciences like archeology, linguistics etc. can tell us.
I hope you can accept that in this thread.
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3 hours ago, Daniel said:Can you refer me to ANY pagan texts which do not describe divine forces in conflict?
Wouldnt «any pagan text» mean literally anything that is not in the bible or quran, witch is… all the texts in the world minus the bible and quran?
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Wasnt what jews consider scripture… just a bunch of texts put together by pagan greeks? Septuniga?
and on the term pagan… well, i am starting to love it just because it is used as a slur by people i do not want to asscociate with.
But the real meaning of it is anyone who belives in polytheistic or etnic religions, is it not?
If so, the irony is next level. My take, we would be better of without calling people gentiles or infidels. -
15 hours ago, Apotheose said:And hence Man resigned his/her responsibility to having both of them inside their minds. The time devil tempted Jesus is, in my view, not a story, but a ‘lesson’ about the principles you referred to.
If youd like to, id love to hear more about this. I lack the knowledge of these various spiritual traditions, but much of what you say here ressonates with me
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John 3:3
in Abrahamic Religions Discussion
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Fascinating stuff, will look deeper into it!
I know you are not a lexucion, but there is something about this excerpt from havamal (Words of the high one), that very much seems like an initiation ritual in my opinion. Mithraic maybe, they where present from Irland to Iran, so does seen plausible to me. I wanted to Ask you, do you have any thoughts on this:
I know that I hung on a windy tree
nine long nights,
wounded with a spear, dedicated to Odin,
myself to myself,
on that tree of which no man knows from where its roots run.
No bread did they give me nor a drink from a horn,
downwards I peered;
I took up the runes,
screaming I took them,
then I fell back from there.