Sir Darius the Clairvoyent

This is going to seem random, but i want to share it. What led to a moment that felt like a real, spiritual unity, an experience of the divine, peace… you Get the point, was two thing.

This verse from isha upanishad:

O Sun, sole traveler of the Heavens, controller of all, Surya, son of Prajapati, remove thy rays and gather up thy burning light. I behold thy glorious form; I am he, the Purusha within thee. 
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And Sol invictus:

So @Daniel back to our discourse on the kingdom and flesh. What is Christ and what is flesh?

And about If the writers intention matter:

1. there are several authors of biblical and gnostic texts 

2. i do not think that even the author fully understands what he is saying

3. the only understanding we can ever get, is our own

4. stories work on another level of understanding then reason does

5. the bible contradict itselfs several times, and has been manipulated at a later date

Wrong thread

10 minutes ago, Daniel said:

 

I believe there is a Father, in case that is any comfort to you.

It kind of does

15 hours ago, whocoulditbe? said:

In practice that takes the form of virtue ethics: be decent and kind, improve yourself, develop an appreciation for beautiful things, etc., all the while seeing the purpose of all this as lying outside of life, far beyond this or any other world.

This also strikes me as interesting. 
 

Elaborating: If there is no meaning to life, no «father,» im honestly not sure i can deal with it. The only possible alternative would be as you describe; aiming upwards, nurturing myself and my enviorment and appreciate the beauty.

12 hours ago, whocoulditbe? said:

@NaturaNaturans I just skimmed the thread and noticed you're also arguing for virtue ethics throughout. Do you have any thoughts on the idea that modern rights-based ethics is basically the inversion of virtue ethics? I've come across some interesting writing on this in the context of Confucianism. (link) There's also care ethics, a form of virtue ethics developed by feminists in reaction to the patriarchal nature they percevied in rights-based liberalism. The increasing focus on human rights really worries me because it seems to lack any defined form of accountability when rights fail, and leaves positive ethical activity out of the picture.

 

Edit: Spinoza's Ethics is also good stuff, and nice username!

You know what, that question and the article was crazy interesting. I sat down for a good hour trying to give thoughtfull response, but in the end, I deleted it all because it was simply too big and my knowledge too limited. I think the Orient, continental Europe and the Anglo-sphere live in conceptually very different realities, and that it affects how we view the state, morals, and ideals. I would agree with you on "the idea that modern rights-based ethics is basically the inversion of virtue ethics." 

Both the organization of the state and the concepts of rights stem from views on "the state of nature," so we could have a discussion on that if you'd like.

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Brainfart: maybe the function of life  is a better question then the meaning of life?

On 10.10.2023 at 9:09 PM, Daniel said:

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My only caution when reading these words would be:  "Beware of a false summit.  Keep going."

What i would have given to see the true peak, truly understand god with a capital G. The highest of high. But i think my head will explode trying to get there. It seems impossible, at least trying to approach it with the intellect.

1 hour ago, Daniel said:

 

"will" is the outer dimension of a specific cognitive function.  It's name is "rahtzohn".  It is the outer dimension of "Keser/Keter" which means "crown".  I propose it is part of the whole in spite of its popularity and the misconception that it is supreme and nothing else matters.  The reason it is idealized and idolized is because it is simple.  Just like a light switch, it is on or off.  Just like a crown, it is on or off.  And if everything else is ignored, then, a person can (falsely) justify acting on their desires to do anything they want, to whomever they want, at any time.  Many people love this idea.  It makes them feel like a god.

 

"will" is, naturally, one of the most powerful motivating forces in the human psyche.  But it is not "who we truly are" in total.  Well, excluding the rare extreme psychopath / sociopath.

 

Hmm… i know that there are many different philosophical understanding of the will. My understanding, currently, is that will is «growing in to your potential and nature,» and not inherintley psychopathic, unless you are a psychopath.

1 hour ago, Daniel said:

 

 

Those are my suggestions.  I hope it helps, and if not, I hope this was a fun read none the less.

 

It was absolutley amazing, loved it! Some of the stuff needs a second reading or better understanding in order to comprehend, but it was great. Thank you.

I just postponed my appointment, so i will not be able to share the result in the immediate future, but im happy to continue our conversation on symbolism

37 minutes ago, Taoist Texts said:

what is your point exactly?

not killing nephews  for power goes a long way in that department if you ask me

That it contains symbolism, metaphors, is not black and white and is filled with philosophy. But if you would prefer to be killed by your nephew and abandoning your people, then… well, then i dont even now what to say.  

5 minutes ago, Taoist Texts said:

i am certain you are not deflecting, so any time span. What was any tangible beneficial result ever of the good Pandavas killing their evil cousins  Kauravas as prompted by  "the god of protection, compassion, tenderness, and love'? An expert like you can sure give a straight answer.

I dont think we are getting any further. It is a story, and it has great depth. Let me reverse the question here: what does good, virtue, correct behavior, mean to you?

This maybe. Feels feminine with the northren lights, its my home and its beautifull beyond belief:

Lyrics:

@Nungali

So the will can be said to be (at least partly) discovered (uncovered?) by inspiration (genius, muse), self knowledge, finding/making your imediate enviorment more harmonious and acting in accordance with your… what to call it… your deep felt sense of values? Synchronisity probally also deserves a mention/

And you seemed to be very ‘insisiting’ on useing the term nurturing, can you expand some on that?

edit: i dont think you need to expand on nurturing, cambridge dictionary makes it clear:

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to take care of, feed, and protectsomeone or something, especiallyyoung children or plants, and help him, her, or it to develop

9 hours ago, Nungali said:

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I like my tatts to be specially magically significant , for me .

 

- have you thought bout what tpye of energy you want to invoke and try designing it yourself ?

 

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Hmm… the divine. But also my tattoos are very «masculine» and i was thinking balancing it with something more femine and  zen.. nurture and natur and harmony as welll, maybe… growth, flourishing… kvaharenah

I also like that you mentioned water as a symbol for the unconcious. One of my tattoos are of Poseidon, the sea god, so getting a femine «counterpart,» or maybe «partner,» to that sounds great. Anima/animus.

Also… i wouldnt mind it a little more sexy

4 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

You 'like' it .... or you think  I am disturbed for posting it  ?

 

Maybe the first   .... its the top of a tarot card .... but I would NOT be having that particular card tattooed on me !

 

 

 

 

 

 

I liked it yes. I interpeted it as spirit 🕊️ god 👁️ belzebuup 🐍, but considering Your respobse, i guess im wrong. What does it mean?

26 minutes ago, Nungali said:

You posted this in another thread though, and its pretty sick:

You cant be virtous/benevolent/generous without wealth/power/influence/strength. Or rather, there is nothing noble about non-violence, unless you are capable of violence. Fighting for your cause/tribe, winning and showing your defeated nemesis mercy, however, is admirable.

When it comes to ego and a tribal identity, i dont see anything inherintley bad in that. On the contrary, it brings people together, provides community, identity, culture… No doubt tribal conflicts have caused great evils. But in my corner of the world, a strong national identity has made us stronger, more trusting and willing to help each other. To be fair though, i probally live in what has historically been one of the worlds most homogeneus regions.

As @Daniel said, there are meny level to identity, and you can zoom in and out.

Nature maybe? Nature is often asscociated with the mother. Maybe something like this 

Alright, so i have an apointment this wednesday. I allready have, lets see, six tattoos. They are of mythologicaø themes, a qoute, ceasar and two warriors. Orignially i was thinking to add to it with something like this (attatchment). 
 

But after some delibaration, i think it would be good to balance it Out with more «femine» tattoos. Any suggestions?

Thank you @Trunk!

@Nungali

I havent dug up your old posts, but i think i have a better understanding of true will. We, or anything, are not seperate from nature, right. Nature creates and destroys and transforms. The will is who we truly are, a being, and individuated part of an superorganism, and if we are free from external influences we will be/express ourselves fully and authentically. Just like how a flower flourishes if its left alone in its natural enviorment. What do you think?

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28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

Im not sure what i want, but mat is kind of wack… NaturaNaturans is nice. Could any moderator please help me with this? : )

it translates to «nature naturing» or «nature creating» for those wondering

Deus sive natura - God, or in other words, nature

Spinoza

I apologize in advance, since this is not directly helpfull for your question, but i got to admit: ive never really understood the deal with meditation… its basically just closing your eyes, is it not? I do that every night!
Sure, sometimes i find it helpfull, when i need to «ground» myself, but all in all i think it is kind of boring, i dont have the dicipline for prolonged practice and i cant say it have given me much of value. 
What has it given you people? And do you belive it is possible to reach a state of complete silence/no inner voice?

@kakapso i think that perspective (darwinism, gathering knowledge in order to deal with entropy) is perfectly valid.

I do differ on some aspects tho. That we are wired to reproduce, doesnt automatically make it a virtue or a goal, so to speak. But by all means, reproduction is an essential part of life, and it do provide value. But i think im more on the «qaulity over qauntity» camp. This far, i reason that human (and plant and animal) flourishing is what i value the most, and therefor my personal answer to the «meaning of life.»

Also, when we are talking about the universe, dying stars etc, that is so far out of our controll, understanding, capabilities and time that i dont bother thinking about it. It is not like we are going to do surgery to a dying star.

But maybe im just overthinking. I mean, what is the purpose of a flower?  Meaningless question, isnt it.

edit: does a higher purpose need a belief in God in order to exist?

Edit 2: adding a qoute here from a book i am about to start reading. «Etikk» by Spinoza. This is how it opens:

 After experience had taught me that all the things which regularly occur in ordinary life are empty and futile, and I saw that all the things which were the cause or object of my fear had nothing of good or bad in themselves, except insofar as [my] mind was moved by them, I resolved at last to try to find out whether there was anything which would be the true good, capable of communicating itself, and which alone would affect the mind, all others being rejected—whether there was something which, once found and acquired, would continuously give me the greatest joy, to eternity (TdIE 1).

Edit 3: im only on page 8, foreword by Ragnar Næss, but it seems very relevant: 

He concludes that what can ensure truth, freedom, and happiness is a true starting point that can serve as the basis for further reflection. For "method is nothing but reflective knowledge, or an idea of an idea... a good method is the one that shows how thought can be guided in accordance with the standard provided by true idea."