Sir Darius the Clairvoyent

Nietzche had a very fiery take on it. I recently read the genealogy of morals. I hesitate to qoute this as it might come off as hatefull, but If nothing else it is interresting and has historical value:

that priestly nation which eventually realised that the one method of effecting satisfaction on its enemies and tyrants was by means of a radical transvaluation of values, which was at the same time an act of the cleverest revenge. Yet the method was only appropriate to a nation of priests, to a nation of the most jealously nursed priestly revengefulness. It was the Jews who, in opposition to the aristocratic equation (good = aristocratic = beautiful = happy = loved by the gods), dared with a terrifying logic to suggest the contrary equation, and indeed to maintain with the teeth of the most profound hatred (the hatred of weakness) this contrary equation, namely, "the wretched are alone the good; the poor, the weak, the lowly, are alone the good; the suffering, the needy, the sick, the loathsome, are the only ones who are pious, the only ones who are blessed, for them alone is salvation—but you, on the other hand, you aristocrats, you men of power, you are to all eternity the evil, the horrible, the covetous, the insatiate, the godless; eternally also shall you be the unblessed, the cursed, the damned!" We know who it was who reaped the heritage of this Jewish transvaluation. In the context of the monstrous and inordinately fateful initiative which the Jews have exhibited in connection with[Pg 31] this most fundamental of all declarations of war, I remember the passage which came to my pen on another occasion (Beyond Good and Evil, Aph. 195)—that it was, in fact, with the Jews that the revolt of the slaves begins in the sphere of morals; that revolt which has behind it a history of two millennia, and which at the present day has only moved out of our sight, because it—has achieved victory.

2 hours ago, Daniel said:

Everyone knows I'm not stupid, Matt.

Fair enough, in terms of IQ i think you are fairly sharp

Maybe academics are too found of terms 🤔

3 hours ago, Cobie said:

Wow brutal, not everyone on this thread is “non-dual” you know.  
 

 

The duality of man

Good night my non-dual friends

These are schools of thoughts that appeal to me. Thing is, that they seem very similar, if not straight out identical to me. Both seems based on the idea that ALL is god. Am i wrong? Could someone clarify?

edit: they seem somewhat similar to aninism and daoism too? Hope I dont come off as an idiot, just curious.

17 hours ago, Nungali said:

comedian Chopper

Haha well it is fun.

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t appears the correct Avestan usage would be asha via arsha, meaning cosmic order and truth . Old Persian contains a derivative term 'arta' .

Good, good, was basically why I was asking. Related terms pop up in many languages, with meanings such as truth, fitting, excelence, order, law.. Wonder how far it goes back. I find the concept attractive.

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Yes, a lot more is known about it .  Another large discussion, yes we can have that but its probably better in a separate thread . 

Sure. 
 

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Another large but different discussion .  Thats a part you might better contribute to ? 

Not to much, other than that these two, waring classes of gods, or higher beings, is a strikingly reaccuring theme. Latin, norse, greek, iranian, vedic… I have a suspicion that whoever the good guys are reflects the dominant people in the area. Kind of like mesopitanian city states destroying each others temple in war..

On 8.8.2024 at 1:43 AM, Nungali said:

Then there was a shit fight and a division that evolved into Hindu and Zoroastrian

Do we know more about this? I have wondered why the devas and asuras are flipped in their respective culture. Is it the same concept as olympians vs titans, or Aesir vs. Vanir?

On 8.8.2024 at 1:36 AM, Nungali said:

*nungali on mantras in zoroastrianism

I see words like justice, truth, order and rightfullness is used a lot. I wonder, was the avestan term arta?

18 minutes ago, Apech said:

Are you familiar with the expression ‘like a pig in shit’?  This is what we must aim for.

Hm, partly, but I also belive we should have one foot in the unknown.

I agree with you. It is the fall from Eden.
What do you think of this:

It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied. And if the fool, or the pig, is of a different opinion, it is only because they only know their own side of the question

Mill

11 hours ago, Cobie said:

Duh everybody knows that, it’s why e.g. Jesus often spoke in parables.  

 

Try putting it in a little story.  

 

«Let him who as ears, hear»

I have a strong sense that stories work much better then facts, when it comes to getting your point accross and foster understanding. I struggle to put into words. Curious If you agree or disagree, and if so, why?

On 16.7.2024 at 12:35 AM, Nungali said:

To understand something in a process that also seems to  give some type of internalized 'light'  and changes the previous 'mind-set' .

Gnosis 😁

@Tommy

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(…) correct me if I am wrong or even if I am off by a mm. (…)

I dont think anyone has the right to do that on a topic like this. I am interrested in your own interpertation of the term. 
You go on to talk about the allegory of the cave. I found that interresting. Would you like to expand on it?

On 16.7.2024 at 10:55 PM, Maddie said:

Enlightenment or obtaining Nirvana is a technical term in Buddhism. It is when one has seen through all delusion and let go of all unskillful attachments and obtained perfect peace. 

Do you think such a state is even theoretically possible? I belive strongly, that as a human, both delusions, illusions and emotion are unexcapable. In a way, even colour is a «delusion,» it only exists in our minds.

On 18.7.2024 at 3:15 AM, Tommy said:

Isn't believing consciousness is eternal. And material is a construct of the mental? Isn't that a flip flop way of saying that life is an illusion because it is not permanent? Cause the mental construct is of this brief life? 6 of something or half a dozen of something? A rose is a rose by any other name? Just saying, ...

I think it is exactly the opposite. Perhaps we have different understandings of the term. I refer to 'life force/awareness/soul' or something similar. My belief in its eternity and fundamentality is based on the idea that we don't understand how something non-conscious can become conscious. By definition, we cannot be 'not aware,' and we know it's possible to 'create' seemingly physical things in our minds, such as hallucinations.

I acctually might 😂

3 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

I used to  do that on purpose ; start a fake argument with my wife about some product or  something and when people stop to listen and pretend to examine the label  of a can  , I turn on them ; " Thats right ! Stand around and listen to my marriage breaking up ! I hope you enjoy it !  "    Then they would scamper off .

 

I dont like it when others annoy me at the supermarket  .... I have a habit of smacking other people's children when they muck up there .

 

Really?

17 minutes ago, Daniel said:

 

wow.  great find.  thank you.  yes.  the eyes produce a very specific, yet almost ineffable, feeling in my heart.  what is that?  betrayal?  but not ordinary betrayal?  what is it?

 

and then, I scroll down.... bam!  that hit me hard.  awesome. love-it.

 

Yeah Id say betrayal as well. Loads of emotions really, great art

Take a look at the eyes of Lusifer in this amazing painting:

Im certain im not alone on this. Anyone got some advice?

Id like to mention the Eddas as well. Here are a few stanzas from Voluspa, the creation story:

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1. Hearing I ask | from the holy races,
From Heimdall's sons, | both high and low;
Thou wilt, Valfather, | that well I relate
Old tales I remember | of men long ago.

2. I remember yet | the giants of yore,
Who gave me bread | in the days gone by;
Nine worlds I knew, | the nine in the tree
With mighty roots | beneath the mold.

3. Of old was the age | when Ymir lived;
Sea nor cool waves | nor sand there were;
Earth had not been, | nor heaven above,
But a yawning gap, | and grass nowhere.

4. Then Bur's sons lifted | the level land,
Mithgarth the mighty | there they made;
The sun from the south | warmed the stones of earth,
And green was the ground | with growing leeks.

5. The sun, the sister | of the moon, from the south
Her right hand cast | over heaven's rim;
No knowledge she had | where her home should be,
The moon knew not | what might was his,
The stars knew not | where their stations were.

Same verses in Old norse, english subs in bottom left corner: