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I would like to start a topic on this fascinating (to me) lineage. I discovered Steve only recently, and started consuming his videos not being aware he had already passed, and luckily was able to check out his websites before they got shut down. The practice he taught seemed solid to me, and had a uniqueness to other forms. I'm almost certain his approach rubbed lots the wrong way, but I like his no BS attitude, even though I don't see him as infallible, or his forms the one true way (which, to be honest, what lineage doesn't profess to be) I'd like to know any more insights about the man and the system from anybody who knows, maybe a student that went to study in person with him. I'd also be very curious if he left behind any teachings beyond the level 8 video of his teach he post. His YT: ( https://youtube.com/@TienShanTaoistInternalArts?si=WFfApZrskba47Tzw)

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I hope my inevitable destruction under the weight of Rudi's elite, electric lawyer forces will at least show SOME people the type of person he actually is.

Rudi is off to desperately practice his lie detector passing skills. I for one believe he can lie with the best of them already. Sweet dreams!

I think you should actually learn how law works before you try and threaten me with it. What's this obsession with a lie detector, when you can just get up and move some pieces of paper around showing you don't have a machine? Much easier no? Hahaha.

Niceties fell away when you involved my wife without even realizing it. Again blurting out your fantasies as facts. Just get lost mate, you are starting to sound like someone trying to prove how clever he is to hide his insecurities. Actually, you need to prove that you knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that I used some sort of machine or trickery to do my demos, you also need to prove you knew for a fact that I was in Ukraine for the sex trade. Both impossible to do. I don't need to do any demo's or prove anything funny enough. But I can take a lie detector test without the slightest worry that I will fail. Have you ever used a machine to falsify a demonstration or any of the demonstrations that you posted online? NO Have you ever used some sort of trickery or slight of hand or magic act or hypnotism to convey having an the ability to project "what you call qi" and generate an electric current in a person of a negative field to affect inanimate pieces of paper? NO Have you in any of your videos posted been aware of any sort of trickery or slide of hand happening to facilitate the unusual effects happening? NO Quite frankly, you can change the wording to whatever you want, I still will not fail a lie detector test because I have never faked a demonstration in my life. But if you are so certain, speed things along and DM your details, we will get things moving forward. Don't worry, I will show you. Seems like you've done this before! Also note how this very nice, spiritual guy is acting right now that his money is threatened and he has no reply. Ofcourse he doesn't actually want to prove what he can supposedly do. He thinks a lie detector will be enough, which are inadmissible in court, but good luck. Maybe once you are proven to be a fraud, people who you ripped off can sue you for their money back.

I was very reasonable and open minded, up until I saw the "masters" at work, and then followed the thread of nonsense. If it's not obvious to you these guys are frauds, that's a you issue. If you feel "trolled" by me pointing out the truth, you can always get back at me by spending vast sums of money and time studying with Rudi and his cohort. $5000 was it? That will really show me.

There's nothing reasonable about being skeptical when someone comes up to you, wiggling their thumb in between their fingers saying they got your nose, if they actually got your nose or not. At some point you need to call a spade a spade. Rudi can go ahead an sue me for saying he can't shoot electricity out of his ass, and then his "master" can sue me for saying he can't light things on fire with his eyebrows. It'll be a fun court case.

I look forward to you trying to prove you can shoot electricity out of your ass in court. So the niceties seem to be falling away now that he feels his income stream is being jeopardized, and since he can't actually prove his abilities, now it's down to threats and censorship. Typical.

Because their whole system is lead by frauds, the only thing to conclude is he is also a fraud. What he showed already look fraudulent, but seeing the "masters" at the top pretty much made it blatant that he is using "assistance" to achieve the effect. Again, the effect is identical to how the static machine works. It is THE effect. It might not be the same machine, because people even built these themselves, but that's what's going on. As for hypnosis, that's exactly what many people believe, and even after being hypnotised their logical mind will justify it in some way as them deciding to do it. This is both true and not at the end of the day, and if you want to learn about hypnosis I recommend doing a course in it, but it does say something about the human minds capacity to justify our choices and beliefs to the contrary of all the evidence out there.

Well your judgment of character is off because he is a fraud, he does deceive people. Since the whole system is fraudulent at some point he did strap a device to himself and filmed that video of moving physical objects around. And stop talking about getting zapped. HE MOVED PHYSICAL OBJECTS WITH HIS "ENERGY". Focus on that, and not a subjective feeling you might experience. The skill isn't useful, because there's nothing there to achieve. It's fake. This isn't a debate about it being possible, it's a conclusion that these guys can't do it. Also FYI, the only reason people go to Ukraine is for the sex tourism. Not gonna judge on this one, but you might get a little pissed off since he was doing it on your dime. He was such a nice guy after all, so he deserves your money I guess.

It seems like sooner or later you might have signed up to this guy. Is your mind not changed a little after seeing what I showed? At least I hope you will be encouraged to do a bit of your own research about the background of this teaching and the "masters" involved before dedicating your money and time to them. These guys have been around for a while, and I just did a casual internet browse. If I had full blown autism, who knows how deep the rabbit hole goes. They seem to be involved in selling some kind of products, importing them from China, maybe to Italy and the roid guy. That would be interesting to look into.

Forget about feeling. Feelings are subjective. What Rudi demonstrates is influencing physical objects with his "energy". I can guarantee you will never be able to achieve this following their system without "assistance". There was a time to do this, but again, once you see magic tricks a child can see through, it's impossible not to just laugh at these frauds. And don't forget about the people they scammed. They deserve no civility. They ARE trash, and that's putting it lightly.

They seem to be chums with this roided up, Italian Anthony Robinson here. I know if I reached the peak of spiritual cultivation, doing motivational seminars with a douche bag is where it's at. Funny how these guys are happy to shill products, and break bricks on their head, but haven't used any of their supernatural abilities, to, I don't know, beat a world record or two under controlled circumstances. It's almost like they want to be just famous enough for people to buy all their crap, but not too famous so people don't look very close. If I spoke Italian, I'm sure it would show some interesting stuff.

That would be expected because the only way the people teaching this system can achieve it is through magic tricks. They show you the cool stuff so you sign up, and then it becomes all about how this isn't the real goal of the practice, and how you need more subtle energy right now. The real reason is to be a magician you need a bit of set up, so you can't be expected to perform all the magic tricks at all times. (too draining on the chi) So in the end you pay through the nose for some mediocre diet and health advice, and some mediocre Qi Gong practice that was probably copied from somewhere. At best. The worst part, is you are giving that money away to shitty, fraudulent people.

Frauds deserve to be attacked, shamed and ridiculed. I was still on the fence until I saw the "masters" of the system in action. But at some point it's just so blatant that there's just no argument. Remind me what you said that I found asinine? Maybe it deserved it maybe not.

I don't really care, how people who care about my regard for blatant frauds feel about my etiquette. The people I care about have seen what I said and will reach the right conclusions. I don't even understand. My attitude has nothing to do with reality. Rudi may be the nicest, soft spoken, proper spelling person, but he's still a piece of shit fraudster wasting people's time and money, so I'd recommend expanding your ideas about judging someone's character. If you look at interviews about psychopaths, they often talk about how well mannered and proper they were. Just saying. This just seems like a lame attempt to shut me up. I'll stop discussing things when I decide to. There is a nice rabbit whole forming here with this thing, so who knows where it will lead to.

It's got nothing to do with actual Reiki. I just used the word Reiki to mean "subtle" energy, or basically anything that doesn't involve set up. They can't be expected to demonstrate their "electric Qi" at any time now, can they?

I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. I'm just observing the inner workings of the scam now through his videos. So they do the big show demonstrations a few times to convince people, then once they hook someone, they probably don't want to have the gimmick on their body constantly, or constantly be pumping electricity through themselves. So they probably tell their new student something along the lines of, well, for your stage of progress you require a more subtle energy etc. etc. some other BS. Are you getting it, or not yet? I'm deducting how they most likely process the people they hook in.

My point doesn't have anything to do with reiki. By reiki I just mean they aren't showing you the magic trick demonstrations that need set up, so their bread and butter energy work is nothing spectacular.

Just going through Andrea's videos, and it seems pretty sad. I believe he is a genuine seeker that just got conned, because he speaks so honestly about things without a filter. In this video he gives away that most of the "energy" demonstrations these fakes use is just your typical reiki type stuff: It's most likely because they can't be bothered to wear the device all the time, and risk getting caught with it, so most of the time they only do the "subtle" energy on the people they defraud, and leave the "shocking" demonstrations for "special" occasions (when they have all their equipment ready)

They are just lying again. The practice is described here: https://acupuncturetoday.com/article/32826-electric-qigong-an-ancient-therapy-evolves So you literally pump electricity through your body and then into the patient, and from what Andrea describes, it is also given as an "advanced" practice to electrocute yourself (what fun) I'll just take a moment here and remind everyone that being able to electrocute yourself hasn't been around for that long. it isn't some ancient system of Daoism. On Andrea's site you can read all about the "masters" and probably go on an even deeper dive if you are so inclined into their history: https://www.neiqigongjiaoshiandrea.com/masters You can see they are all connected. Just a bunch of con men working together, sharing tricks and ideas, and propping each other up.

How do you know what it is, where it was made, how it's been treated. There are countless ways to fake brake stones, but by all means, for anybody thinking of wasting your time and money on these "gurus", go out and get some proper granite and have them break it, but I predict when you offer it, their chi will be off, or they will show you another demonstration that they have prepared. As for the second video, it is what Rudi shows also, and is exactly how the machine that I ordered works. At around the 1:15 min mark:

It's shameful to associate these frauds with other Daoist practices. These scammers are an embarrassment to genuine school, with dedicated practitioners. Why not ask these frauds and scammers what they are doing on a spiritual and philosophical forum, apart from trying to defraud and scam people. This trash is leading people away from genuine schools. It's leaving a bitter taste in the mouth of people towards all Daoist practices once they realize they have been scammed, if they are lucky enough to realize it. Rudi is still here lying through his teeth, because lying is all these people have, and they certainly don't have any shame, so they deserve no civility. I bought the machine for my own amusement, and had my eye on it for a while, but the more you post, the more you are coming across as a shill for these people rather than someone who just did a seminar or two. Now I have no idea if you are a shill, or just a puppet account of Rudi's, since anything is possible on the internet, but if you are a true believer, it's fascinating, and scary, how you bought into what I see as a blatant fraud. His video was sus, but I could keep an open mind about it, but the moment I saw the "master" doing well known magic tricks (poorly) it wasn't even a question in my mind anymore as the fish rots from the head. I sincerely hope you don't represent all of Daoism, and that there are people with more level heads. Actually, I know for a fact there are people like that, thankfully.

This is the type of thing that I do, but can you honestly not tell the difference between me and them? Like the fact that I'm not lying out of my ass about how the phenomena is achieved. And if one day I do teach any of this, anyone I teach will be able to create the phenomena right away, and not after many years flailing their arms around in some made up ancient "system" these guys probably came up with between bowel movements. I give zero shits about what Rudi thinks right now. Like I said, I'll keep an open mind until a CHILD can see someone is fooling them. I'm sorry for you if you are still skeptical in any way about what's going on after seeing all of it, but it's a YOU problem now. By all means, throw more money at them and waste more of your time. It doesn't effect me in any way.