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The name of my cat... Zen masters used to get their name from the place they were teaching... for example Lin-Ji took his name from Lin-ji temple in Hebei where he taught.

Just sit: shikantaza. Just stay there, no distractions. Just be, and be aware.

> It's often glorified as the ultimate or best teaching by its practitioners. Usually Zen people will say the same. And Mahamudra. And Theravada... And... So... Take the path you find good for you and forget about silly supremacisms Also esoteric buddhism is not superior to non esoteric, it's just that some teachings are kept only to adepts because they can do some harm to non initited if done wrong. So they keep it private. Said that, I found surprising how popular is Dzogchen in the internet community, In Tibet Mahamudra is probably more practiced than Dzogchen. Both are great. I found Mahamudra to be better for me, but that's a personal choice,

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>That is why I assume a realized master should also realize the atomic body eventually at the end of his/her life Dzogchen doesnt affirm that. But usually they say that you can reach Nirvana at the bardo (after death) if you realized rigpa while living >I dont think it is healthy to compare the Bodhisattvas stages/paths to Dzogchen. Dzogchenpas are bodhisatvas, they follow the bhumi stages, even some Nyingma tertons "updated" the model to 13 or 16 bhumis and even more stages... https://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Bhumi > Path of seeing is realizing emptiness not Rigpa. From here: http://studybuddhism.com/en/tibetan-buddhism/tantra/mahamudra-dzogchen/what-is-dzogchen This is rigpa in its aspect of being the “open space” or “cognitive sphere” that allows for the arising of appearances and the cognizing of them, with the latter more prominent. When we recognize and stay focused with this, we attain break-through, a seeing path of mind (path of seeing), the third of the five pathway minds on the way to enlightenment. == Rigpa is the state of presence recognizing the ground of mind as emptiness

>is special feature of Dzogchen Probably they say that, but as you can imagine, there's no special part of the mind that only Dzogchenpas have. This will make no sense. So it's really an universal feature. Remember that's not a creation but a recognition, all of us have it. Now. In fact the recognition is the same in Essence Mahamudra (said by the own tibetan masters, not me). So probably rigpa is the same recognition of the nature of mind seen in Zen (Kensho) and for sure is the same as in Essence Mahamudra. The changes are in the way they explain it and the practices of every lineage. But you can only be sure of your own realization if a lineage master is at hand to confirm it (be it Zen, Mahamudra or Dzogchen). The introduction is a nice effort to make you recognize it using the situation and the capacities of the master. Some Dzogchenpas have the realization outside the introduction, later, and there's no problem at all.

No, the masters know perfectly rigpa. They are not blind. There's a long road from recognizing rigpa to buddhahood, you seem to think they're the same point... So you have: - People before the path of seeing -> Not rigpa recognized. Blind - People after completing the path of seeing, they're at the path of meditation -> Rigpa recognized, not Buddha at all. Some of them are masters. They're Aryas. - Buddhas after completing the path of meditation, at the path of no-more-learning -> Buddhahood realized. They can get rainbow body (or not) Look for the five paths tibetan system. So no blind is leading blind. But dont expect your master to be a Buddha. Maybe s/he is not. But he is not blind.

Hi, I'm Oskar from Barcelona, very happy to join the forum and learn. My field of study is more buddhism than daoism but... my cat is called Tao and I love ZhuangZi or LieZi. And expect to learn a little bit more of daosim here. I have a blog: https://blogdetao.org Best regards

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>It is the "no-way way-of-life". Wu Wei of life (sorry, bad joke)

The book commented ( "The Practice Of Dzogchen" ): the-practice-of-dzogchen.pdf (wordpress.com) Pages 82 to 85

Never heard before, I found very few referencs to that body. Atomic body is achieved through trekcho, the body dissolves into atoms and disappears. Rainbow body is achieved through thogal. You can read more about it in "The Practice Of Dzogchen" pages 82-85 (and before that too). There however atomic body is called rainbow body and rainbow body is called light body. It's from Dharmawheel forum. About your points 1. You can be introduced to rigpa by a master not fully enlightened. Recognizing rigpa is just the begining. 2. I dont know 4. It seems it's very rare even in Dzogchen. I found veeery few references... Noy only rare to happen, but it seems it's not widely tak about. Rainbow body gets a lot of atenttion but not atomic body Also in the same thread: Ordinary people cannot perceive rainbow body.It is called "rainbow body" because the five elements revert to their original nature as the five wisdom lights. But this light is not photons -- it is called "light" but it is not physical light. Rainbow Body and Subtle Atomic BodyIn general, in traditions like the Sakyapa and other traditions, sometime people say, “Oh this is a rainbow body, that is a rainbow body.” Even some practitioners may have their physical bodies disappear and they consider this a rainbow body. But that is not a rainbow body.In the Dzogchen Teaching this is called lü dultren du tengpa (lus rdul phran du dengs pa). That means the physical body is entered into dultren, very, very, very tiny atoms, and we cannot see it. Someone is at a high level of the practice and they can reach the state of the dharmakaya.That is the reason it is becoming that kind of lü dultren du tengpa and rainbow means it is active, something concrete manifests.You see there is a painting of the Guru Padmasambhava and at the center of the Guru Padmasambhava there is a small thigle. From this thigle the lights of five colors come out, bigger and bigger, until the dimension of the Guru Padmasambhava has become filled with this light. Most people like this thanka, or painting, very much. This painting was originally painted by someone in the Sakyapa tradition. But whoever painted this has no knowledge of the rainbow body. The rainbow body isn’t like that. The rainbow body means our physical body, for example, our nose, our face, our front, everything is integrated with the five elements.Some people may have the capacity to see someone who has attained the rainbow body. The nature of our bodies, when they are truly integrated with the five colors or five elements in the rainbow body, appear in just the same way for these people as our bodies would appear in the physical or relative dimension. For example, the rainbow body of Guru Padmasambhava would appear to someone with sufficient capacity just as he is, and without his dimension being filled the five colors. So it is very important you should know that.Nobody knows if some one of you will realize the rainbow body. When the rainbow body manifests, only the hair and nails remain. Everything else disappears. ... So why then do the hair and nails remain? It is because these are the two aspects of our impure physical body. Hair is always growing. We are cutting it again and again, and still it is always growing. The impure aspect of our physical body is like that. It is the same with the finger and toenails. So this is the symbol of the impure.This is very important to understand. If you realize the rainbow body then you have no problems! Ok, now we finish and dedicate merits.Chögyal Namkhai Norbu

Ja, ja, only in Fawlty towers. He looks a lot more like mexican for us.

A bit more of info: Investigating the Rainbow Body - Lions Roar

In Tibet there're also many variations of this kind of tecnichs in tantrism. For example from Chalachakra or from the Six dharmas of Naropa. Usually they focus on chakras, like the one at the Hara, but also the Heart and others. The main difference I see is that the focus here is above the navel and not under it... for the rest is very similar. There's algo some tantric tradition in Japan (Shingon) with similar practices. They usually are a lot more complex, being that just the first steps... Buddhism has esoteric and non-esoteric traditions. Tantrism usually is esoteric (so closed before initiation). Said that, there's some old traditional Manual for the theravada esoteric tradition online: https://ia904708.us.archive.org/4/items/in.ernet.dli.2015.68417/2015.68417.Manual-Of-A-Mystic.pdf

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Hello Vajra mind, you can find some info trying with "rainbow body". But I'm not aware of any case here in Europe or America

No, sorry. But it's mostly about buddhism. Thank you for your welcome, friends.