Jenn

If everything is a foregone conclusion anyway - doesn't that take all the pressure off? Decisions, dilemmas, guilt, worry, blame, failure, outcomes, choices, repercussions, shame, disappointment - if what will happen will happen regardless - you can just be yourself and do what you will. You can't ruin anything because you don't have that level of influence - the weight of the world is not yours to hold. I found that realization very freeing.

originally nothing, strut, fret, a small while, but at end, nothing

As long as you have the persons permission it's fine. I would think carefully about doing it if they do not give you permission though - respecting someone's privacy and wishes is important if you want to be trustworthy. Another way to look at it is, you want to be trusted enough to be trained by these individuals, betraying their trust by sharing their personal details without their consent would be a poor way of repaying the gift you received of being able to contact them in the first place. It would be a shame to manage to find the contact information you want, only to be told no because you proved yourself untrustworthy. They will likely just change their contacts anyway, at their expense and inconvenience. Edit: Maybe I should share in case you have been lucky enough not to encounter some of the types of people who are interested in the internal arts. Lots are great people, but some can become belligerent, threatening, stalking, etc when they are told no or don't get what they want. Many publicly known teachers do not make themselves publicly accessible to avoid dealing with such people, to protect their families, etc. It's not all honest practitioners out there. Sharing contact information for someone who hasn't already made their details public will open them up to people who behave like what I described.

I advise some caution and recommend you don't post the contacts publicly or share with others if you do find them unless you are given express permission from the people involved. There is a reason those individuals have not made their details publicly accessible themselves.

Apologies, I didn't mean to imply you don't have any experience, I assumed since you were asking here instead of within the community that you were new to the system. That is a tricky situation, I think it can be hard to enter a lineage self-taught unless you start back from the beginning with a teacher. But if it is meant to be, you'll find a way

The practices you are interested in won't work for someone who hasn't done the preliminary work, they require a strong foundation. At best they will be ineffective, and some will be harmful. It is unlikely that any teacher will give you advanced practices when they don't know you and you haven't completed any of the foundational work within the lineage (from the link you were given). Likely the only path will be to practice honestly from the beginning within the lineage and work your way up over time until you are accepted as an advanced or "inner door" student. It's probably not the answer you were hoping for, but I honestly think that will give you the best chance of learning them. Unless you have spent years already training with a teacher respected by Wang Liping already who can vouch for you, there probably isn't a way to fast-track (nor should there be, if I am being honest).

No, sorry! I suspect you won't be able to contact him directly - it's very possible he doesn't work with the public or accept new students anymore. Likely just senior students and maybe retreats now that there are seniors to teach new students. That's just my assumption though.

Winterpeg chiming in - can confirm. We are actually quite sunny in winter, but the sun is no match for 2 inches of parka sadly .

You could contact one of his senior students who are publicly teaching like Nathan Brine?

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I probably have a weird answer, but to me the way to transcend transcendence is to stop fixating on the supposed end goals of spirituality / spiritual practices and instead just follow our own paths filled with the curiosity to seek and find the answer ourselves, without any fixed expectation of what is at the end, or whether there even is an "end". Otherwise how would you ever know what you find is authentic versus the mind giving us what we expect to find? Could chasing transcendence (or enlightenment, release from the cycle of rebirth, etc) ultimately become another trap / side path if one clings too dearly to that goal?

At the very least we are our contrived mind, all our identities, and presumably somewhere in there, ourselves. This is an interesting question I've been thinking a lot about lately for a few reasons. One, my family are all narcissists (one clinically diagnosed) - I find it fascinating to experience them now that I am no longer emotionally tangled up in the drama, their behavior is like they are three different people. I think of them as Jekyll, Hyde, and Billy. Glimpses of who they likely truly are shine through sometimes, then out comes the nasty, lying, base instinct, gets-mine-at-all-costs Hyde, but interestingly there is a third, helpless persona / identity that reminds me of helpless children. I can see now why that is such a difficult personality to come to terms with for those who have a narc in their life. Billy brings out your protective / parental instincts and you feel compelled to help them, Jekyll makes them seem kind and human, but then Hyde makes them seem like monsters - yet they are all in one "person" and you end up wrestling with wanting to hate a monster, comfort a child, and care for kindness all in one blurred together go. I think something less extreme happens in all of us, our nature, our contrived mind, our inner child, I don't know, all these identities popping in and out depending on how in control we are in the moment. Like we all have a multiple personality disorder but usually it's not extreme enough to notice since everyone else does the same thing. I also think stress and uncertain times causes people to be less able to maintain their external persona, so we are starting to see more and more of what is going on under the hood. I've certainly noticed a lot more people with unpredictable moods/personalities lately especially in places like work where a certain level of persona is expected.

Might be an interesting time to explore why you need plans and goals. I often feel like aspects of my experiences are like a string on an instrument. Left alone it is still and neutral. If you pull it to one side it vibrates, equally on both sides from where it was still. If your focus or identity is on the future, then it likely is also vibrating in the past and your only briefly experiencing the now as the "string" "passes" side to side. The harder you pull on the future, the louder the past also becomes and harder it is to return to the present. A lot of the negative feelings and hardships in life can be (at least temporarily) forgotten/overcome by hope and a dream for the future. Bigger things to run from, bigger dreams to run to. Losing that, you can start experience all the suffering you've been ignoring without the lifeline you had that will see you through it. Plus side, I found it force me to deal with some of the areas of my life that had been hidden by drive, ceaseless action and aspirations. Although I was pretty grumpy about it at the time (not being able to see a future for myself / a goal to build my life around was like losing who I was), I am coming around to letting what's next be a big unknown. Perhaps it will be a blessing to let go of the future and be surprised by what you find instead? Not to say you will never have goals again, but if you are attaching to them, maybe a forced break from being able to experience that "high" will help you break the attachment and have healthier experiences going forward?

Thanks for the detailed explanation @-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-! Much appreciated

Originally on this post (below), but found a second reference searching for the term to see if I could find more context: