ChimpSage

Correct. Cannabis does not build Qi. Based on my understanding the conversion of Jing, Qi, and Shen is just increased. Same with psychedelics. So, they use up Yuan Qi actually. Sometimes the benefit can be worth the detriment though

100% agree. All drugs are medicine in their correct dosages. A skillful alchemist knows the difference between poison and medicine. To remove medicine from the toolkit entirely is a waste imo. Finding methods from a proven lineage is most important. Ask the teacher. All good internal methods can be done without the use of any external chemicals, however that does not mean that they do not have a purpose. I practice Neidan. People will tell you that taking entheogens is a false path that leads nowhere. It’s not true. They can help. I’ve taken 5 MEO malt for awakening experiences and it actually benefited my practice. So open mindedness is most important when it comes to these things. Depletes Yuan Qi but helps in other ways. And if you can replenish it what does it matter. You just take it smartly in the correct way at the correct time. People will tell you all sorts of things about drugs thinking that they know their effects 100%, but unless you know it all yourself you can’t close your mind to other possibilities.

Fair enough! Good talk

Ah, but in qigong, the lower field is quite frankly a sea of qi. You must build the reservoir and fill it. I wouldn’t say they are just names of acu points. I would say the nomenclature points to the purpose of the thing in question. So, each acupoint has a certain label attached to it to give a name to its purpose. This is the same for all things in the material realm. The label points to the purpose. In other words, the truest name is the truest purpose. For the Dantian, the true name is elixir field because that points to its purpose. In qigong or Taichi, the lower field is not used for the Dan, so then we could call it something else. Sea of Qi/Lower Field/ect depending on its purpose

I think your words were very useful. I love the way you speak I just wanted to give clear definitions. One could argue the lower field could be called sea of qi or other such terms as well. In the end, they are just labels pointing to something that has a set purpose

Fusion of refined Yuan Qi and Yuan Shen. Infinite engine of perpetual motion. Spirit of Yang.

All that being said, what is the harm in calling them the lower field, middle field, and upper field? It is only Dantian when it is used to form elixir. That’s my final thought on it. All the stuff you said can be associated with field rather than Dantian. And that’s what they are. Energetic fields.

I suppose, but at the end of the day, there is always a clear and concise definition for every term if you truly understand it. Dantian is the elixir field. If the field is not used to build the elixir, it’s not a dantian. Now, you can keep calling it that if you wish, but it is incorrect to do so. Doesn’t matter to me what other teachers or students do. Accuracy is what is important. Are you using the field to generate the elixir? No? Then why call it Dantian? It is just a field. Being okay with inaccuracies without ever correcting them is how we lose the art

This is correct. Understanding complete truth of Yi Jing would be a complete understanding of Dao. Daoism is the mountain towards infinite light and infinite virtue. It cannot be realized without practice. The practices are the different paths up the mountain labeled under different names. Hindu practices, Buddhist practices, Daoist practices, ect. Each path up has its own unique pros and cons. Some paths only lead you up a certain distance and eventually glass ceiling. What many people believe to be Daoism is not. Daoism is not a religion. Nor is it truly the path of Neidan. It is the mountain itself. Only by taking a pathway up it can you truly know it. Buddhists can be Daoists. Hindus can be Daoists. Ect. ect. It is a label for the labelless.

I’d give everyone the information it was possible but restrict the methods to those who are truly worthy. The heart must be tested.

Well, to answer your question, we must ask if Daoism truly shuns the desire to create. I would argue that Daoists have the greatest desire to create. Where does everything come from? The creator. Why did he create in the first place? What was the desire? What was the purpose? Infinite light and infinite love. Infinite Yang. The greatest art is conceived when we realize the purpose for its creation. Once we have the purpose, we must have the desire to make it a reality using free will. In other words, find the purpose for the art rather than the desire. This is the key to your art

It’s quite easy to explain actually. They are answers that come from within. From soul and spirit. From the creator.

Are you confident that your definition of Nirvana is different than getting to the Immortal realms/Heavenly realms? In my understanding, the heavenly realms can only be accessed when you fully escape samsara. So, you would no longer be required to be reborn. But, you could still enter any realm. Why would you seek cessation over infinite spreading of light? In my view, there is no higher path than the infinite spreading of light. So I’m curious what your view is. You are just giving me timelines that could very well be false. In my view, rainbow body existed far before the one known as Buddha. In the vast cosmos, how could you possibly think rainbow body didn’t exist until a human on earth achieved it? When I read your message, all I get it is a tone of arrogance, a ton of delusion, along with a closed mind. You have far to go Maybe try explaining to me why you believe Buddha sought cessation and what you believe the ultimate goal of the eightfold path is. Is it different than the end goal of the Daoist practices? How so? What is nirvana? What does escape from samsara signify? Answer these and maybe I can give you some guidance

How do you know that Buddha did not transcend death? One’s body can ‘die’ while one’s spirit lives on eternally Rainbow body I would define Daoism as the path towards embodying divinity and becoming infinite light and virtue. If it’s not aimed at the very end goal of this, it’s not Daoism but a cheap imitation of it. So, in this view, the Buddha was a Daoist even though he wasn’t labeled as such. Now, different traditions all have their differences in technique and method. Daoist tradition focuses far more on longevity and elixir which has its pros and cons. Easy to get stuck at this level.

For sure. Nothing to forgive. Ignorance is normal. Yes, we escape samsara but we are able to enter and exit every realm at will. The goal is not to escape. The goal is to spread infinite light. This is Spiritual Immortal level. Shen Xian

I mean I suppose it depends on your definition of Daoism. To me, it is not Daoism if it is not about immortality or freedom from samsara. That would just be using the philosophical principles of Dao to improve your life. A basic understanding of Dao along with correct diet according to TCM and living in harmony with nature wouldn’t be considered Daoism to me. That’s just the standard way of living of humans

Exactly why I think it is overrated No one can understand it so what’s the point. A true master can outline it clearly and simply with 0 room for misinterpretation

Elixir. Di Xian

You can become an immortal without ever taking a glance at the DDJ IMO It’s just a key that goes along with practice. Without legit practice, you can’t understand DDJ fully

This is why DDJ is overrated. This is a misinterpretation. The goal of alchemy is to shed all Yin. Most DDJ quotes are meant to be applied to stages of alchemy. They are only so good as the people reading them. We shed vice, darkness, and delusion in favor of their Yang opposites. We become spirit of pure Yang and cultivate Yang body. Infinite Yang with no yin. Infinite light. Infinite virtue. All positive with no negative.

Like I said, they are not Dantian so by definition they cannot. Yuan Qi(Ming) and Yuan Shen(Xing) fuse in the Dantian to form elixir. This can only take place in the lower field

It’s about reversing the course and becoming pure Yang rather than stuck in duality

In my opinion, the only true Dantian is the one used to create the elixir. The middle and upper dantians really shouldn’t be called Dantians because they aren’t used to create the elixir. But, in the end it’s all just terminology. Easier for people to understand lower, middle, and upper Dantian instead of only one Dantian. It’s terminology that has been simplified to help people understand better. Likewise, the Dantian of qigong and Neigong is not really the true Dantian if it’s not being used for alchemy. It’s a false Dantian that is being labeled as something that it is not. Better terminology would be lower field, middle field, and upper field. In other words, energy fields located in different locations that can be used for different purposes. Elixir field is the only field that is used to combine the ingredients necessary for elixir. So it is called the Dantian. Just my opinion

Great! Can’t speak on the methods but I basically learned a complete system for the elixir and beyond. Now, the problem was that the teacher wasn’t very inspiring. And you should only really be a student of a teacher if you respect the qualities their practice has given them and feel that they embody what you would like to embody. So I separated myself from the teacher but still practice the methods If I come across methods or a teacher that seems better suited for me, I will go learn under them. Until then, I am solo training. Methods are Daoist alchemical methods, but I don’t really label myself as a Daoist in particular. I’m just taking the pathway of Daoist Neidan up the mountain towards embodying divinity. If I feel that discarding the Daoist methods is what I should do, I will do that in favor of Hindu or Buddhist methods. To me, a Daoist is someone who takes a pathway up the mountain towards God and embodies infinite light and virtue. So, whether you call yourself a Buddhist, a Hindu, a Daoist, ect, doesn’t really matter. I would say I’m just a cultivator or ascendant.

I am new to this forum. Just wanted to stop in and say hi. Open to any and all questions. I practice Neidan solo without teacher. Learned methods then left