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Quite a few traditions interpret reversal of the senses as an inward focus, with the senses. In Beth' s tradition, she talks about experience the taste of the body. This can be bypassed, but I'm certain that method is not the most common.

My teachers teacher, and my teacher, had/has as a main goal to become efficient external qi healers. Different goal than mine, slightly different tweak in the practice.

Means the foundations are not solid enough. It's not about your partner. It is always about you. My wife focus on gym practice. That is not a hurdle in my practice. You were right in your other post, the entire system must be integrated. Then you change which level you are working on. Or, one could just sit and breathe, whatever floats ones boat. A quail is satisfied with it's flying ability...

Nowadays, as since the WuZhenPian was written, and the goal was set to awaken to reality rather than health and longevity. Zhang Boduan is supposed to have lived 1000 years ago. Nowadays?

Didn't say visual perception. My tradition specifically bypass the five senses to get to the immaterial, per instructions in the classics.

Bickering, mostly. My spiritual dad is bigger than yours, that kind of things.

This thread, for one. A mighty fine thread, where we do not discuss the specifics of the splendid nature of the vocabulary of traditional chinese daoist alchemical texts.

So, you have his book(s) then? 😁

And stay away from these fine discussions?

As far as I can tell, one can percieve the finer levels of reality without being able to see through a wall.

Actually, those terms would be less confusing.

Seing through a wall (the skill claimed) would have been fun in high school, can't think of a use for it now really.

I find the daoist terms less useful than the hindu/buddhist ones.

My teachers teacher claimed that one ( buddhist practice). Never met him though.

Now, I corrected that statement for you. It does describe something meaningful. As damdao writes, it describes a location and a result based on the practice of certain methods. It is just a common practice in daoist and hindu traditions to write stuff in a way that conceals the meaning.

Most likely you will not get a direct answer to that question, for a couple of reasons. Most of the text is about those aspects that differs from your view of the noble art of internal alchemical practice. It is not about deep abdominal breathing and/or the oxygenation of blood. It is not about the lower abdominal area being the lower dantian either, nor is it about swallowing saliva or a reminder that deep breathing calms the mind. It is definetly not about seminal fluid. I think that covers most of it, or at least, fails to explain any of it.

As does Livia Kohns translation. I also believe, or tend to rest on texts that state so, that different methods leads to different results.

Somewhere in the beginning of this thread, there were several stages if the "elixir" mentioned. Obviously, the process develops from coarse to fine. Is the Dan red? (What's the color of money?) In the first levels, maybe. Later on? The nine reversed elixir cannot form if one still process the "red" substance(s) through visual consciousness ( that is implicit in the formula itself). Can one awaken to reality if reality is percieved as red?

The signs are observed upon the physical body, not within the physical body which would be a better formulation if this referred to a subjective experience. Shouldn't it be that (within) as well? I experience (internally observe) some rather profound changes, but have as yet only externally observably changes that could easily be explained by the fact that my dynamic movements are IMA. As far as I can tell, the one mentioned by Wang Mu is internally observable.

I'll make this easy. I didn't misunderstand this. I can honestly say that I have no idea what the author is referring to, specifically. Maybe the original text gives some examples? All I can say is that as the text is written, it seems to support Shadow_self's view more than yours.

The article you linked to is interesting. Page 118 for everyone that think @Shadow_self 's insistence on physical change is crap. At least, he didn't invent it

The horse might be dead, but we can still flog it.

Non-ejac sex, there are opinons about that one as well.

Some methods are more forceful than others. More force, more risk. As to the results between the approaches, teachers have always had different opinions about that.

Putting a bunch of people doing neidan in the same room? They would be killing each other, presumably with electric jolts.