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Funny thing is that from various records even the microcosmic orbit was thought of to be quite advanced practice. M. Chia and various other ppl. (now I am talking about traditional or classical (the preffered one) chinese medicine have so much foundational materials as well that are really great to start with - talking about posture, food you eat and straying away from the extremes. these things are so much better than crazies (without any prior knowledge, practice and cultural roots) going after sexual practices possibly Multiorgasmic men (which I dont like, the Winn cooperation produced book is so much better and still has its issues) and being after sex ignoring important details and fucking up big.

Yes, I already met some charlatans and they were in person, the manipulations in person or in group can go so much deeper than any damage from book (If you are careful books proven to be thousand time safer. So give one ton of salt (in a cum grano salis inspiration from latin) to your idea that this is how it works. I am strongly analytical mind and I pretty much never get things wrong from books. I analyze in on so many levels possible. I already searched from multiple sources about the critique of M. Chia and I know have a lot of valuable knowledge where to steer clear from original book scripture and do things differently and which things to do more of to be safe. Also I am searching for relevant teachers as well. I take to heart the teacher rule while being in total understanding it can destroy everything in your life including yourself. But I am interested to meet M. Winn next year or 2026 latest. It just costs a lot of money to organize it and needs a lot of other resources to take place. Ich bin kein Amerikaner und Ich bin auch nicht deutscher. Do you have some tips for good teachers? Sorry for strong critique of the teacher rule, I just have a strong experience against it as It can absolutely eat you alive. I am looking forward to find more of your ideas. I see you are a long time lurker and also a big writer

Hi oattao. I just noticed you used a very similar nick here on the forum. Funny as hell. Welcome here. My first touch of some tao practice has been with a blue and purple book of Mantak chia ten years ago. I did not practice at all, had many interest in the time. And was also confused by initial complexity. Now years after I actually gave way more focus on inner smile, earthing by normal method from blue book and if I need more then clearly a superior deep earth pulsing. I am doing the fundamentals first and doing testicular breathing. I am conserving energy too. I have zero issues. Beside having read over 10 books, watched many videos from M. Winn and read hundreds of his pages and also bought one course. Then I also watched many M. Chia videos (with courses, not public ones). Also watching other taoists. Constantly researching and practicing. I feel great, have no issues. I am minimaly focused on sexual energy, no obsession. Just peace, growth and improving health. I have yet to find out why M Chia is strangely not liked here. So far I think he is complex and people often disinterpret his work. Also they write how you need a teacher - thats what Chia writes in the initial structure of absolutely every book. So far I also did not find so well documented practices as a whole works of Mantak Chia. I also know that many ppl did not like his milion dollar point. But again - chia does not recommend to stay with it forever, he just tells you do it maximaly this amount of time per week and do this after that to unblock the stuck energy. Feels to me Mr. Chia is a mountian and many are stuck at various levels trying to scream at mountain how wrong the mountain is. Meanwhile I am not doing milliar dollar method and I am also not doing sexual practices without first doing the fundamentals. My understanding is that it is often good to stick with fundamentals, do Microcosmic orbit, inner smile, Iron shirt, Five elements I. and then finaly go and experiment with hot sexual energy. Also the first khan & li . I would say is probably also very beneficial. When going forward and learning stuff beyong microcosmic I would say using more than just books makes a lot of sense, better to visit a teacher with good reputation. However, from my observation M. Winn is quite costly to fly from europe and pay US housing for a neccessary time and I observed he has his own methods, possibly better refined but different and that needs more time investment to absorb complexity. Also there is a complexity absorbtion problem. It takes time to adapt your energy body and starting with sexuality does not make sense from this point of view too. There is often talked about 100 days for every level of any practice. Unless one has prepared body by similar practice as some yoga types I can fully agree because otherwise one has wrong idea about what one is doing and it is neccessary to come back to the instructions and mantain FULL comprehension. To conclude this - when things break. One has to first learn good grounding like Deep Earth Pulsing . then one can dislodge any tipe of overheating or ill chi and bring the balance back. This is probably a strongest point of M. Winn works on me

Hi. Try deep earth pulsing method. thats a very strong grounding method. Do it every day at least 15 minutes. What do you mean by doing microcosmic orbit? are you doing whole basic circle? Also you can add the feet - the greater orbit. Please give more details how long did you practice what and if there are energy centers you did focus more on when you are working with your lower dan tien (navel) are you doing the circles that are up to 15 cm in diameter? I am talking about the end phase after each days exercise here. When I did 40 orbits in 15 minutes I felt quite ungrounded and then did the earh pulsing and felt absolutely amazing. Also to your specific condition I would say healing sounds are exactly what is supposed to calm your condition.

I was trying to find it. Had no luck. There are many mentions of sauna on this forum as a good thing but only in a context of a discussion but never as an actual central topic. However, what do taoists think about sauna? I saw that M. Chia has a lot of detox methods but does not utilize sauna as method in any of his books. And searching outside did not help, scholar nothing. Journal of Daoist studies nothing as well. I read this book - https://drlwilson.com/articles/SAUNA.THERAPY.pdf based on the inspiration from Varis Ahmad (talking about sauna as a good option to heal oneself of problems caused by toxic methals and whatever toxic stuff we got too much in our body Sauna therapy might be quite taxing for a body and internal taoist methods like iron shirt chi kung, probably some advanced practices will possible help the body to get rid of crap. I think sauna could still be good idea to combine with taoistic approaches. However, I would like to read what do taoist think about sauna, how it works according to them. Does anyone know about something?

Very interesting. Had no idea that this year is of a green dragon. I actually did active imagination with my psychoterapist that I visit just couple times per year. And early after starging there was a green snake throughout my spine up till the point between the yebrows. The dragon/snake was very nice green and he was talking to me about the need to increase the good energy, and give the death to the earth for it to transform it. With his eyes things like smoking or eating ultra processed (ultra dead food) felt like a very bad idea. Conserve life force, do inner smile, microcosmic orbit is what I am doing daily and it is enhanced by this guys help. Also when he got into me, I felt the spine being very hot and full of energy at that moment. I did sent the energy to the larger microcosmis orbit including the feet, after that I did not felt any in my lower dan tien, as it was first time sending it to this big orbit. When I changed the flow just to basic orbit, I had the energy there back again. The snake has its own will, I think consuming the highest life force food is what he wants me to do, but of course I can tell him to get lost. But I think he is absolutely right. And there was also the aspect of the black (total black) snakes that emerged at the time the green dragon emerged, but the earth (after "talking with her") took these inside itself and transformers them into the full green life force. I think that our society did stray from high chi/ high life-force foods. One I know about is wheat grass that I would like to prepare in the future. But overall fresh stuff is the best in this regard.

Many thanks for the welcome. I was doing method individual constelattions, related to bert helinger family constellations but also inspired by Arnold Mindell work. Thats what costed me too much money and did not really help, it led me astray. Had to really work brutaly hard to bring my life back for seven years and I am doing much better now, gained more wisdom but was ultimately moving backwards and losing progress back in the time. I had known about tao back then (since 2014 or 2015), but started to practice daily just last three months.

Can you please give me some reference - I would also like to do the stuff you do.

Hi, Oat is not Tao here. I am interested mainly in the practices of m. chia and michal winn. researching winn currently fundamentals 1 & 2. I know about these for 9 years and now I got time to get deeper and practice inner smile, healing sounds, microcosmic orbit, basic sexual cultivation. read, read, read, listen to audio, videos on youtube - which I watched most from Michael Winn. I am trying to get an understanding of the hierarchy of the teachings. I am quite open to taoism in general. I am interested in China, but prefer free countries which we got less and less of. I also really like nature and was trying to find Way, Meaning and other things in other teachings, some considered controversial by some and possibly independent by other. I too did thought they are independent but rather people used my as source of money without really providing anything. I also did have a strong interest in Carl Jung before all this. I am about to become Master in Software Engineering next year (just need to finish my thesis and state exam) I have 6y+ exp in cybersecurity - offensive field. I am high in openess, which explains why I did go through so many things from which I named just a small fraction. I am strong believer in values and methods of science but I also consider chi, jing - these two things from chinese medicine/taoism as real due to having the ability to feel it - altough I am still not sure about various details.