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Hi, I may have some helpful info. I actually spoke to a teacher today about qi deviation problems. I practiced FP for a few months then switched to Pangu shortly after, before stopping that and switching to a new form. I was told by a teacher that this is not the best idea, as you are basically running multiple energetic programs at the same time that may have conflicting functioning. Even if you stop practicing, it may take a while for the residual effects of the energy to leave your system, similar to how drugs can stay in a system for a while after quitting usage. They told me that each system has multiple sub systems in it so it can cause complex reactions. It’s not necessarily the case that all energy systems conflict, but it sounds like that might be happening for you. They recommended waiting at least 3 months between stopping practice of one system before starting practicing another. Probably wait longer the longer you have practiced something. All this just to be safe, as these things can cause issues that are not necessarily easily dealt with. Speaking from experience, I would side with patience rather than impatience when it comes to these things.

I’m guessing you’re pretty weary of teachers now based on your experience. Actually the night I practiced Pangu Shengong for the first time, I had a dream of googling the name Akshobhya. I remembered it vividly, and googled the name, and it turned out to be a Buddha. It was an unusual dream, as I had never heard of the name, and I hadn’t had any dream like that. Akshobhya turned out to be the Buddha of the transmutation of anger/hatred. I looked into him and found a dharani of his, and as far as I know it is okay to recite it without an initiation, so I have been reciting it for a while now. The dharani is said to purify negative karma, and deep negative emotions, protect one from negative entities, as well as fear from rebirth in the lower realms. You can probably interpret this “fear from rebirth in the lower realms” psychologically as well. There are two Dharani sutras of Akshobhya. You can find them here starting on page 1,314. https://dharmaebooks.org/kagyu-monlam-book/ I’m not really sure if there was any significance to me having that dream the night I first did Pangu Shengong. At the time I did think to myself, “This could either mean that Pangu Shengong is a good thing or a bad thing.” I’m still not sure, but if there is, maybe reciting the mantra could help you? I’m not totally sure if it’s really done anything so far for me but I do feel I have possibly gained some benefits. Just throwing it out there incase you have exhausted other options.

Thank you for sharing what seems sensitive. I hope you can recover from these things quickly

Well the practice is absorbing energy with the help of Pangu. If I could be sure that Pangu (the entity that Ou is in contact with) was purely benevolent, then I would probably continue practice. I can’t be sure though, and it just causes more anxiety than relieved it for me, so I’ve moved to practicing more traditional daoist methods.

You might be right, but that’s not the only reason I stopped. To be clear I’m not totally against this practice, there are just too many unknowns and weird things that I don’t really want to risk.

I stopped practicing for a few reasons. One is actually out of fear of what you have said. That it was more of creating dependence than actually empowering me. Also the whole thing just seems all about him. The books The Path of Life are about him being this special incarnation of Pangu who is supposedly the creator of humanity. And he was basically possessed by this being. Also, there are some weird sexual and borderline sexually predatory/pedophilic aspects of the books. One part where the entity is describing to Ou the sexual relationship between Pangu and the Chaos. The chapter describes how Pangu sends rays of light and energy into the universe, but after a while this doesn’t satisfy his sexual urges, so he then creates many women who he can have sex with to satisfy his urges, which doesn’t work, so he creates the human species as whole to have sex with each other. Which I guess was good for a while? And then at the end of the chapter it says that he would go down to hang with the humans and they all loved being around him and bathing in his rays of light, “especially the young pretty girls”. Interestingly the books go on to say how Pangu realized that lust and promiscuity were a major source of evil, and it was after Pangu made a horrible sexual mistake that he decided to reform himself and restrain his instinctual urges for the benefit of humankind. So I guess there’s a little redemption there… While practicing regularly I noticed a huge increase in sexual energy and sexual thoughts. I didn’t really like this. Another big reason I stopped was that there was visualization in the practice that I thought was bringing energy to my head and I thought was not good. Additionally, they call him a master but he’s not a part of any traditional lineage. A practice that is just created by a guy who wasn’t even trained by a previous human teacher is questionable. Not categorically bad but questionable. I’m curious though what specifically makes you think that he’s doing all these things to you. Like how do you know he didn’t disconnect. What exactly do you mean by “his influence became more and more controlling and creepy and he would energetically find more and more reasons to stick around”.

Thank you so much for this response. Can you tell me more? I would love as much detail as possible if that’s not asking too much. What about your experiences were bad? Why don’t you consider him ethical, and what makes him more of a predator to you? To be clear I actually have stopped practicing Pangu Shengong since posting this, and my questions are in no way oppositional. I just wanna hear your experience and get more information, know what happened.

Thank you so much for this, this is very quality. I didn’t even realize dowsing was originally meant to find water underground, what do you know. I will do some meditation using your instructions thank you

Thank you for the advice and understanding 🙏 I’ll try out those exercises and let you know how it works!

Wow this is a really thoughtful response. Thank you. You have a very good read on me and where I'm at. Having my feet firmly planted on the ground, engaged in the world, is not my strong suit. It's tricky because my main reason for wanting to find a good healing practice is so that I can have a tool to help me be in the world more. It's so that I can feel more connected to others, calmer, less anger and shame and fear of judgment. Emotional and interpersonal trauma, psycho-energetic trauma from drugs and hallucinogens, disillusionment, dissociation, nervous system stuck in fight or flight, has led to a desperate search for some type of sustainable relief and healing, eventually to qigong and such, but it seems desperation isn't necessarily the most stable or sustainable platform for these things... Thank you again, you have given me a lot to think about.

Thank you, I’ll check that out!

Thanks I appreciate it.

Thank you

Thank you.

You’re right. I just gotta pick something and stick to it. Thank you for the advice. 🙏