Turnip

6 hours ago, Gerard said:

Too much Qi lingering in the head
Too much thinking 

Liver Yang rising

Heat

Dampness/imbalance

 

If you have (like most people do) any of the above or all of them (very common) anything you mentioned is going to cause you what is called kundalini syndrome, seeing ghosts, communicating with spirits and bizarre stuff which fall under the umbrella of the "ungrounded syndrome."

 

To prevent that, do the following:

 

1. Leg work.
 

Foundation exercises like low basin walking, kung fu leg conditioning work (five stances), Asian squat, closed legs squat.

 

2. Walking meditation with bare feet for many hours a day when seated meditation practice is heavily emphasised.

3. Hiking for many hours in the natural environment.

 

If the practitioner suffers from being very ungrounded stop any seated meditation and work heavily on the above until the problem is corrected. This could mean months or even years depending on the length of the ungrounded state; eg. University student, academic, white-collar professional, etc. People born in Fire years or under a Fire sign like the Horse are particularly most at risk. 

 

 

This is very helpful, thank you

On 6/20/2025 at 5:31 PM, Gerard said:

Because those practices are UNGROUNDED and you already live in a very ungrounded world unless you work as a shepherd in Afghanistan. 

In what sense do you mean this? That the other practices use mental activity? Or that they use “heavenly” energies as opposed to relying only on our body? 

8 hours ago, Gerard said:

The voodoo. Unnecessary and distracting.

 

Requirements:

 

1. Find a legit teacher with years of experience. Chinese Internal Martial Arts are preferred: Ba Gua, Xingyi & Tai Chi

2. Apply yourself and do not deviate from what you are learning as mixing practices is also distracting and unnecessary. 

3. Learn seated meditation technique preferably from the Buddhist line; eg. Vipassana. 

Why are the Chinese Internal Martial Arts preferred? As opposed to say, Internal Alchemy, Spiritual Qi Gong, etc

Don’t mix two systems that both have a “heavenly” energy source. I have made that mistake and it f’d me up. I was told by a teacher after the fact to always wait at least three months between practicing different systems that utilize higher energies. If it’s just physical postures and movement that’s fine though.

 

“If you are looking for water in the desert, it is no good running around endlessly digging shallow holes. Choose any reasonable place and if you dig deep enough you are sure to find water.” Mouni Maharaj

16 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

The primary issue is whether the human continues to give permission 

 

Permission can be passive - such as continuing in work/place/relationship/practice/belief when you know you should not

 

Thus there is much to clear  before the possessing entities can be removed

 

Start with heart light.   See my posts

 

Heart light when reasonably functional is a direct connection to The Source of All.

 

 

Thanks I'll check it out

18 hours ago, Lairg said:

 I have observed that a suitable male on top of a suitable female, at the time of male orgasm may attract streams of light from some stars and planets that enter through the back of the male into the female and return to the sources thereby making simultaneous circuits

 

The number of circuits may grow to be innumerable - from the human perception

 

On the other hand I have observed possessing entities spawn at male orgasm resulting in possession of the female

 

 

How does one remove possessing entities

Why do we study viruses and disease? For preventative and curative purposes. 

39 minutes ago, johndoe2012 said:

I don't believe in suppression as well. 

 

Is VortexHealing perfect? If I thought so, I wouldn't have done anything else. 

 

If you look at the secondary practices for ChNN dzogchen there are hundreds. 

 

I once believed dzogchen was totally perfect until I realized I made no progress in achieving peace of mind in daily living. 

 

All this challenging online, does it achieve peace of mind? 

 

Or does it continue a pattern of bad intention towards teachers that are doing their best to help others?

 

I have been on this site for more than 15 years and the teacher bashing continues. Very bad style if you ask me. 

 

It only means one thing: teacher bashing comes from an individual who feels bad but it should not be allowed to continue. Toxicity should be stopped when it starts. 

 

Peace of mind is the responsibility of the individual. The teacher just provides some tools. 

 

As for attainments, I find it totally ridiculously to talk about immortality if one's mind is not even at peace. 

Fair enough. Negativity never helps anyone. 

18 minutes ago, johndoe2012 said:

Turnip, Ric has never said 'I am immortal' but if you look at Antares posts he insinuates 'somebody' outside Flying Phoenix Qigong knows much more than Terry Dunn. And that insinuation comes off as a passive aggressive attack on Terry as if he knows nothing about what he is doing. 

 

And 'somebody' told Antares that Garry Hearfield has been kicked out from Bak Fu Pai. 

 

In this thread Antares continues with insinuation in how VortexHealing is dangerous in replenishing jing. 

 

It goes on and on. 

 

It might be his troll communication style but seen from here very bad style of trolling to get a reply. 

I agree it can be presumptuousness and seem passive aggressive, but I don't think it should be suppressed. I feel many "products" in the spiritual marketplace are unchallenged simply because no one knows enough to challenge them. So I appreciate that kind of thing. However more humility is never a bad thing, and this goes both ways.

It doesn't come off as slander to me. Freedom of speech should be prioritized over the sheltering of people and systems from any kind of challenge or criticism, especially when dealing with serious things like spiritual cultivation. Any system and teacher that warrants faith and a following should as a fundamental have faith in themselves. They should also welcome questions and challenges with gratitude, as this allows them to strengthen their faith and be awakened to any problems lying in their assumed reality-box.  Criticism and challenging something can also be a sign of respect, if he wasn't intrigued by the possibilities of Vortex Healing he wouldn't put energy into investigating and challenging it. Though it can come across as an infringement on your freedom of thought, in reality it is only something that respects your freedom of thought, as it acknowledges that you can take criticism and still think for yourself. I was coddled as a child and all it did was reinforce the perception that there was a reason to feel threatened by that which lied outside my reality box, and reinforced the perception that I was weak and in need of protection and shielding. True freedom lies in the true perception of non-threat, therefore the non-construction of walls. 

1 minute ago, Lairg said:

 

Is there any proof of that statement?

 

Perhaps I will move on

 

 

Good point…

I found a great channeling from the Law of One people channeling the being Q’uo that resonated with me regarding this topic:

 

 

“Each individual entity, each group of entities, in the end all the unity of entities, insofar as they have the capacity to activate, evaluate and judge have no capacity for logically, rationally proving any authority from the outside in. In our opinion, neither any entity’s self, higher self, nor any teacher that still speaks or thinks or considers has knowledge of the mystery of the infinite Creator.

 

By saying this we wish to establish a basis upon which we may build. The foundation of the right consideration of an entity’s position as judge of its own creation depends firstly upon there being no authority that is final. No hand or word has the master’s authority over servants of the infinite One, for the infinite One has established that in all manifested creation there be no final, provable answers. As entities discover what seem to be definitive answers, the edge or furthest limit of knowledge is pushed back, and it is discovered that beyond that new pioneering frontier of knowledge there lies still an infinite mystery.

 

Now, it is well for a student of any subject or field to do research, read, and gather tools and resources for coming to understand that field of inquiry. Those who seek along a spiritual path are not so different from those who seek to learn how to work one of your machines or learn a previously unknown skill. There is the studying, the processing of many facts into subjectively formed categories and organizations, and in the end there is [you] with a more enlightened point of view concerning the field of inquiry which has been studied.

 

We encourage those who hunger and are not yet filled by spiritual food to seek out experiences with entities visible or invisible and to read that which they consider helpful. All of the information on each page of written work, each thought from a channeling source, is to be enjoyed. However, this is not to say that all is simply to be accepted. Nor are we saying that if many things seem wrong about a source there is no good in it, for even the most inaccurate contact, dealing with the most fear-driven subjects, are attempting to serve the one infinite Creator. And those which listen to or read these perhaps wrong-headed thoughts may be offered much erroneously fearful information. Still, there is at least the gathering together for reasons of spiritual inquiry. And as this energy brings entities together to seek, so no matter how faulty the group may seem there is the effect of help from each consciousness present to each other as all form a circle of seeking.

 

There are several ways to consider how to form one’s own opinions and value them. We might suggest that when information is being evaluated the seeker stop to reflect as to which energy center or centers are being activated by this information. For instance, information which focuses upon matters of survival is driven by the instinctual energies of the red ray, [all in] the reflection, naturally, from the yellow ray physical existence. We speak of inner rays here, rather than densities.

 

If information is offered concerning the moving together of some who are different from others, or simply if there is information about groupings and joining or avoiding groups it may be seen that there are many energies of the yellow ray. And if there is information concerning this or that messiah or special chosen entity, then it must be left to the entity itself to evaluate whether the attraction of this savior is resonating with the red, the orange, and/or the yellow ray.

All of this sort of information tends not to activate or enhance the healing powers of the opened heart or green ray. It is within the more abstruse and abstract regions of theoretical considerations that the inspiration of words or thoughts might be offered which open the heart or the powers and energies of communication. And it is within the student only that the indigo ray is activated by any material whatsoever.

 

For work to be done in consciousness, the consciousness must have its attention upon doing the work. We might take a different tack in this matter of personal discrimination. Now, we are saying simply that each spiritual seeker, having its own universe, must and shall evaluate for itself all stimulus which comes into the sensory net of awareness. From the first impressions to the end of the most involved and recondite argument all that is processed by a spiritual student is accurate to that student, and the only authority is that student, for the infinite Creator Itself, while offering constant love and support, does not wish to influence the experiences of any being. All beings are free to experience what and as each chooses. This is that which is the seeker’s gift to the infinite One.

No outer authority may be considered, in our opinion, a satisfactory substitute for an individual’s inwardly moved framework of opinion. So we encourage each student to think of itself as responsible in that the will of the infinite Creator is that there be love. Each is love, and each experiences love. This is that which is the truth insofar as we know it. Putting this truth into manifestation is a task whose characteristic is polarity or apparent difference. Without this, there can be no manifestation, for love experienced as love is an eternal tautology when considered as a way of knowing as opposed to the way we grasp being[ness].

 

So each of you is sovereign—the judge and jury of those things which come to each entity’s attention. If that is accepted, then it can be seen that there is a certain desirable character, or group of characteristics, which may be attributed to a responsibly working spiritual student. The teacher known to you as Jesus the Christ spoke of this when it said to its students to be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. The serpent is a symbol for wisdom, and it is wise in apparent manifestation also. The first sense is that of the symbol. This symbol of wisdom is expressed in your cultural myth by the gift of the serpent which was making available the knowledge of good or evil. In other words, wisdom has to do with a personal ability to judge whether something is good to that person. This kind of decision is strictly personal, and cannot and should not be offered in dogmatic fashion for others.

 

The other way in which the serpent is wise is that when an enemy or possible enemy comes into hearing or sensory range the serpent removes itself cautiously. These both are good ways of being wise. When one considers the innocence of doves and asks how that can be applied to the judgment of information, we can only suggest that each entity knows of those individuals to whom all things are signs of disappointment, trouble and doom, while others with the same basic situation find much to make merry about and much to give thanks and praise for. The innocence, the purity, the untouched nature of the open and loving green-ray energy center—the open, loving, compassionate heart—can see beauty in almost any situation, for as it speaks to itself it hears the outer world.

We find that this is a good beginning upon this topic and invite further queries both now from this group and, in the future, from the one known as V. We hope that this transmission has been clear in why it refrains from offering opinions considering the validity of sources.

 

Before we leave this topic we would simply say that there is much, much of fear in any human experience. The physical vehicle is fragile, and it is known that it is mortal. Many of the fear-driven topics, which may be considered by many such as this instrument to have little effectual truth, have a truth in a larger or archetypical sense, for there is a wonderful urgency about this present moment, about this present cycle, about this present year, and so forth. These are the minutes, the last minutes, of each of your incarnations. There may be millions of these last minutes, but they can be counted. Thusly, there is a deep and natural capacity to fear, for one’s worst fears, those of annihilation, stand starkly, and without evidential answer, before each seeker’s life. At the end of that last minute of the incarnational experience, that consciousness that is the seeker goes through a door and it closes behind that entity, leaving those who are still experiencing the illusion of third density to remain ignorant of that which occurs thereafter.

 

The more compassionate way to deal with this existential fear is to realize and affirm the wonder and blessing of each present moment. If disaster or catastrophe is to be part of an entity’s destiny, it shall occur, regardless of planning attempts to protect the self from such a fate. If all is to be peaceful concerning a seeker’s last days in this illusion, so it shall be, although the seeker stands within a hundred which are slain. The attitude of gazing with a full and loving heart at whatever is occurring is the more compassionate and loving approach to the quandary of existence without answers. Appreciate and attempt to inhabit fully each moment, each minute and hour of each day of this experience, one at a time, and whatever the outer circumstances, the inner spiritual journey shall be as full of light and blessing as the experiencer can hold.”

 

 

11 minutes ago, Lairg said:

 

Perhaps as we move into the age of Aquarius it is time for new wine in new bottles.

 

If so, we should see the progressive demise of many social structures and institutions.

 

For example many young Chinese are abandoning the current social system: 

 

Tang ping (Chinese: 躺平; lit. 'lying flat') is a Chinese slang neologism that describes a personal rejection of societal pressures to overwork and over-achieve, such as in the 996 working hour system, which is often regarded as a rat race with ever diminishing returns.^[1][2][3][4] Tang ping means choosing to "lie down flat and get over the beatings" by adopting a "low-desire life."

 

 

The release of useful humans from old structures and the birth of a new wave of humanity will facilitate and drive the development of new structures  - including new understandings of the inner nature of Earth humanity and propagation of more relevant spiritual practices

 

Of course many humans prefer the familiar to the new.  Such is life.

 

 

Definitely. We’re moving into a new, more fluid, more creative landscape of thought. Which is why energy healing has gotten so popular. It’s concrete yet doesn’t box you in to any ideology or conceptual structure. If spirituality is about attaining freedom of mind, structured paths and conceptual direction seems to move against that. Yet we still need to evolve somehow. 

5 hours ago, forestofclarity said:

People have claimed that we have more awakenings and stronger practices these days than ever before. However, looking at the apparent state of the world, I'm not convinced. I think most of the newer practices and movements tend to lull people into a false sense of spiritual realization. Even so, I would rather people practice some form of spirituality than none at all. 

 

Traditions developed their "modern" practices a few thousand years ago--- in Tantra and Dzogchen, for example, which is one reason you see more of this and less people developing very deep states of concentration and samadhi. 

 

The main concern is that most of the traditional spiritual paths and practices are of the East, are collectivistic, negating of the ego, and are patriarchal, and modern psychology is moving more towards an androgynous/feminist, individualistic, and an increasingly intelligent and sophisticated ego that can be used as an expressive extension / tool of the Self, rather than something to be negated to reach Self. I’m wondering if the Divine is adjusting to this and introducing new paths. Or we’re just moving farther and farther into delusion and the traditional paths are still the most grounded in the Truth.

27 minutes ago, Jenn said:

Another possibility is modern living has made us worse off spiritually, so we are not in fact reaching new, higher states, but rather have added many lower states we must now first pass through to get back to where the baseline used to be.

I agree. I would say the modern mind is much more complicated and entangled than in the past. Which is the reason I’m wondering if practices and paths of the past would really be effective on the modern mind in the same way. 

3 hours ago, doc benway said:

 

And yet wouldn’t it be beautiful if we could somehow facilitate an explosion of heart?

 

Heart and mind must be balanced in my opinion.

The lack of balance is largely responsible for our misuse of the powers of mind alone.

Spirituality for me is largely about restoring balance through opening the heart and maturing it as a refuge and a tool.

 

When looking at a spiritual source, be it new or old, my questions are, does it make people kinder and more open?

Does it cultivate empathy, honesty, and transparency?

Does it strengthen relationships or isolation?

 

Not always easy to get answers to these questions and often takes time and engagement with the view and practice. 

This is the advantage of the older, established traditions, you can see the effects over time and the kinks have been worked out. 

Newer ideas and methods are more of a risk, and our time is short as human beings on Earth, but at the end of the day, they could be just what is needed for the right person.

 

Thank you, yeah. I completely agree with all of that

11 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

All teachers and all practices need to be tested.

 

For example:  visualize a particular teacher then put yourself in front of him/her.  What happens to your heart?

 

 

Thank you for this advice 

11 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

Observing the evolution of microchips. 

 

Old chips processed 8 bits. Later evolving to process 16 bits. 32 bits. Currently CPU's process 64 bits.

 

This evolution allowed AI chess programs to defeat human players.

 

Human evolution parallels this trend.

 

Humans started out with stone and papyrus tablets. Later evolving to books. Then radio and television. Currently processing even larger volumes of data with smartphones, laptops, PCs. 

 

As a result of trends like these, we might expect an explosion of mind.

 

 

Yeah definitely is moving in this direction fast

There are many new healing energies and practices descending down to Earth at this time it seems. Systems, lineages, sources coming out of the shadows that were on Earth for a long time, and entirely new things being channeled through supposedly divine beings.

 

The reasoning being that we are at a kind of bottleneck emergency situation. Like, we need to deal with our shit, it’s now or never, so we’re getting more help with it. The planetary consciousness is quickening. 
 

At the same time, what could also be happening, is we’ve fucked shit up to such a grotesque degree (specifically regarding the environment, climate change, nuclear weapons, etc) that we’ve created a sort of portal of karmic access for predatory beings to kind of finish us off so to speak. An ecological balancing, natural selection. 
 

Maybe both are probably going on. There could be beings that want us to go extinct and destroy ourselves (which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, it could be in a weird way for our best interest, considering how much harm we cause ourselves, animals, and the Earth), and other beings that want us to survive and continue to evolve and grow. 
 

Which brings me to the practical question of, what should we think of these new things coming through? Many people would say that straying from the on-ground lineages of human teachers is dangerous, and would recommend against seemingly easier paths or shortcuts that don’t require the long dirty work that those in the past had to put in. Especially when unknown “divine” sources are supposedly involved. It could also be the case that certain practices and paths could be beneficial for the short term wellbeing of the collective, but for the deep long term growth of an individual soul, not so much. On the other hand, it does seem like stuff is really coming to the surface, people want to deal with it, shit is really picking up, and the older practices are just not high octane and intelligent enough to keep up with what is needed to actualize and integrate the emerging explosion of unconscious energies and repressed complexes that are supposedly destined to be the flood and the flooded that defines the Age of Aquarius.

 

Thoughts?

12 hours ago, MIchael80 said:

Hey, thanks for your apologies! That shows greatness! 🙏😊

The yuan chi refillment is not exclusive to China. Tamil siddha tradition (south india) has it too...there are even non public buddhist lineages that have it.

Vortexhealing started in India over 5000 years ago.

I have worked with several high level healers across the globe but Vortexhealing stands out as a healing and awakening path.

The prenatal and constitutional energies refillment starts in the higher classes (called "Jewel" and especially in "Merlins grace"). You can download a class describtions PDF from from their website.

Go on YouTube and check out a few Interviews with Ric Weinman the lineage holder to get more clarity for yourself if this could be a path for you or not. 

All the best on your way! 

Interesting, thank you, I appreciate it

8 hours ago, MIchael80 said:

You could be more friendly.. here on a public forum.

They specifically speak of it. 

You’re right, sorry. The claim just seemed odd as Vortexhealing as far as I know has no Taoist or Chinese origins. Vortexhealing is definitely intriguing, if it is what it claims to be, I would totally want to practice it. It just scares me a bit that’s all. I’m sorry for the rudeness though, my bad

1 hour ago, johndoe2012 said:

 

Energy healing wise much deeper than Reiki. 

 

Also Ric Weinman, the founder, is a spiritual genius on the way he has made the healing protocols and the ideas he keeps getting on ways to heal all kinds of issues.

 

Not only emotional but physical issues like allergies. Healing bacteria and viruses by burning them out with fire etc. 

 

There are global healing tools in case you want to help the Divine with changing the world and manifest peace on earth. 

 

Today after intense dancing classes I could have done standing qigong to clear the leg channels but was lazy and worn out, so laid down on the bed and started channeling vortex to clear the legs. After 5-10 min they were clear from tension. 

 

Also it doesn't negate the human like so many East Asian traditions. It encourages to be human as part of the path. 

Thank you, very interesting stuff

22 hours ago, johndoe2012 said:

 

Merlin can do it by channeling prenatal jing. Not sure which class they start doing that. After core veil, see their site with class descriptions. 

I looked, you're right. Interesting. Presumably you practice Vortexhealing. What has been your experience with it? As compared to other forms of energy healing / qi gong you have practiced? 

On 3/22/2025 at 2:15 PM, MIchael80 said:

Hi! 😊

 

What level (class) have you done in Vortexhealing? In high classes awakening happens and preheaven jing is replenished. 

 

All the best 

How do you know that preheaven jing is replenished in high level Vortexhealing classes? Is this just a hunch of yours or does Vortexhealing specifically speak of replenishing preheaven jing? 

On 3/23/2025 at 10:08 AM, johndoe2012 said:

Replenishment of prenatal jing in an effective manner can be done by one of the Golden Lotus standing meditations also. 

This is an interesting claim. How do you know this?