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Hello gendao Its worth noting that the nondualistic philosophies do not advocate entering into a particular heavenly realm after death. They simply seek to become one with the Tao/Shiva/Bramin/Buddha ect. Christian, Judiac, Muslim, and Paganist hindu and buddhist systems concept of practices that lead to heavens tend to fall into a different category. It is said in nondualistic systems that even if a person attains one of the heavenly states of being they will eventually exhaust their good karma and fall into earth or a lower realm. The Nag Hammadi texts are emphasize what you described in their content. Replace the word demiurge with grey aliens.

Hey, Ive noticed that in most of the ancient alchemical texts, the aim of the practices is to produce a light that is described by different books as a violetish, reddish, yellowish, purpleish, goldish color. This light is typically called the golden elixir. In Taoist yoga translated by charles luk the elixir is the light of vitality, and manifests in the lower dan tien. This elixir should be driven up to the light of essential nature (universally described as white or clear) to create the immortal fetus. In Chang po tuan and lui i-mings writings Understanding Reality, 400 Words on the Golden Elixer, and the Inner Teachings of Taoism, as translated by thomas cleary, the teachings seem to point to an apprehension of this light by a type of trance/ serenity meditation. I can see how this can open up the microcosmic orbit naturally, and possibly relate to the qigong centric teachings of alchemy. Decibelle posts her interpretation of these texts here. http://thedaobums.com/topic/33950-400-words-on-the-gold-elixir/ She seems to indicate that working with the light of essential nature (turning the light around) is the key here. I have noticed references to a purple light in zen writings. I believe there is a notable mention in the Sutra of Hui Neng (the sixth patriarch) as translated by Thomas Cleary, but I will have to verify this. I believe that Mantak Chia has a book out about Golden Elixir Qigong referring to saliva. I believe that in his system the sexual energy is brought to the pineal gland to activate the hormones that are secreted into the saliva. This particular practice sounds similar to some yoga practices relating to Kundalini. Glenn morris refers to the Phosphenes behind the Eyes changing colors in his works. Does anyone know anything about what the golden elixir is, how to cultivate it and what to do with it when you've got it? It seems so central in Taoist Alchemy that im surprised we don't mention it more. Love and Light Tony

Drew, Thank you for clarifying this about Taoist Yoga. Jinlianpai, Concerning the statement about entering the void/ center. This also seems to be similar to how Liu I Ming uses earth as a Metaphor in his alchemical writings. to everyone, I believe Ive ran out of questions. I will also need some time to follow up on the many references on this thread, and finish some lines of research i am currently persuing. Thanky you all for your responses. Love and Light Tony

This understanding of the process, with the practicioner gradually merging with the Tao, seems to correspond to the sense i have been getting from Liu I Mings work. Notably Liu I ming seems to tie all of the endless metaphors back into the basic process of sinking the human mind into the mind of Tao, or serenity meditation. Liu I Ming was one of the most respected members of the Northern School of Complete Reality Tao. The northern school of Complete reality was noted for rejecting auxilary practices such as sexual cultivation. However the Founder of the school of complete reality Tao, Chang Po Tuan, was noted for using auxillary practices to help augment his students health, while emphasizing the serenity for spiritual development. Complete Reality was heavily influenced by confuscian and Chan Buddhist ideas. In reading the work of Liu I ming, he presents the process very similarly to Chan. Thomas cleary in his translation of the The Secret of the Golden Flower states that the techniques presented inside bear more similarity to Chan practices, than Tao Practices. I believe Wang-Mu states in Foundations of Internal Alchemy that the proper method of running the macrocosmic orbit is to This statement is a far cry from the practice of the Macrocosmic orbit, commonly presented in Qigong texts. On the other hand, Glenn Morris presents the formation of an individual immortal body as a way to preserve the consciousness beyond the span of a normal human life to allow the practicioner to merge with the Tao at his liesure. Concerning the stages of cultivating the Solar Yang qi, can you possibly elaborate on the meaning of these stages. The descriptions in books are somewhat difficult for me to follow. For clarity purposes, could you list what the three versions of this practice are, and where to find information on any of them. Forgive me if you are referring to practices you have already mentioned. Thanks everyone Love and Lgiht Tony

Thank you for this insight. Concerning the first part of your post, it seems to me that you are suggesting that devotion to one of these guardians opens the practitioner to the energy corresponding to the specific guardian. It sounds like you may be studying one of the traditions that are commonly categorized as religious Tao. As I have heard more of your practice it seems to have a strong element of what we might call bhakti yoga. It also seems that you have discovered cross cultural roots of your tradition. Do you have any information concerning the correspondence of the five guardians you mentioned to other traditions such as hindu gods/ goddesses or buddhist buddhas/bodhisattvas/ saints? Concerning the Golden flower methods, you mentioned removing the correspondance of the yellow earth dragon, Do you mean to imply that they remove the emphasis on earth energy altogether? Or do they just remove the emphasis that the earth energy is a dragon? If they remove the emphasis on the golden light as an earth energy, how do they present their understanding of the light? This golden light sutra reminds me a lot of the tone of the flower ornament scripture (avatamsaka sutra). I will have to read into it more. The last part that you speak of concerning different types of alchemy, with different elements and connections, reminds me a lot of what mantak chia calls "gathering the macrocosmic alchemical agent." It involves gathering different types of energy from the universe into the human body and microcosmic orbit. I listed some of the types of universal energy Chia describes gathering in my previous post. This is a prevalent practice in Kap as well. thank you for your information Love and Light Tony

Great post drew, Concerining the rainbow body/ golden body/ light body: 1. I have seen the distinction made in some works, that certain schools attempt to create a "immortal light body" that is commonly represented as an individual living being made of light, that is capable of preserving consciousness in the higher realms. Other schools attempt to merge with the one unified energy directly, giving up individual definition. In this case the body of light refers to a unified field of light, in which individuality is given up. Like a drop of rain returning to a larger body of water. Which of these distinctions are you referring to in your post? 2. What is the distinction made (if any) between the golden body, and the rainbow body? Love and Light Tony

I was looking through Mantak Chias Awaken Healing Light of the Tao In the Later chapters It begins discussing drawing energies from different external sources. Here are the correspondences Chia draws: The light of the soul is originally clear and manifests in different colors as it moves through creation. The Golden Light is the Higher Self, or the cosmic force. The the violet light is the pole star, the gateway of heaven, the universal force, and unconditional love. The red light with the generative force of the earth and the constellation the big dipper. Human sexual energy is pink. The energy of the bone marrow and spine is white. The earths water and plant energies are blue-green. Black is the color of unborn Tao, void, and wu chi. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Concerning the reversal of the flow of the microcosmic orbit I have been presented with many different opinions of it. In KAP it is used to cool down the inner fire and reduce Kundalini syndrome. In Yang Jwing Mings work it cools the inner fire. The correspondance in Taoist Yoga Drew noted, concerning the dispersal of energy through the eyes, and the reversal of the Kundalini process of sublimating sexual energy into shen. This indicates that the process running backwards is creating a shen-chi-jing flow instead of a jing-chi-shen flow. Swami Lakshman Joo of Kashmir Shiavism notes a type of kundalini that occurs where the energy flows from the crown downwards to the root. This is considered gods way of punishing unlucky yogis. The recipients of this reverse kundalini find their energy flowing outwards into sensual delusions. This seems to correspond to what drew noted in the Taoist Yoga. Then there is the backwards flow JinlianPai mentioned where the energy flows down the back to nurture the kidney chi and lower dantien. This actually sounds to me like a positive perspective of some of the effects of the backwards flow, that are sometimes viewed negatively. It sounds like you may have a method of storing the created kidney jing in the LDT, as opposed to letting it flow out the eyes and genitals. I may be misunderstanding you though. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- According to Yang Jwing Ming, his books are a synthesis of many Chinese documents that are no longer available. In his story he visited china before the government began repressing qigong information and found many qigong documents on sale in a big city. He went on a shopping spree buying up as many of these documents as he could and took them back to America. He then proceeded to study them over a period exceeding ten years, and started trying to put the information in these documents into a series of books. Whether we recognize yang Jwing Ming as a high level qigong practitioner or not, a compilation or rare qigong documents can be a very valuable resource. ----------------------------------------------------- Concerning vortexes and implosion: I have to agree with drew that implosion causing purple lights is one of the most interesting suggestions in that video. In fact Ive often thought that Lightning bolts looked like energetic vortexes while watching thunderstorms. My question then is how does the vortex or implosion form as a result of the proposed Golden elixer techniques (eg Microcosmic orbit, or awareness/ zazen) I wonder if this relates to Vajra Yoga (Lightning Path) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Concerning the alleged danger of the water path, I own Dr Yangs book Qigong: The secret of youth He states that the primary concern of danger with the water pasth is that the chi enters into the brain and may cause permanent damage. This simply sounds like a general warning on the dangers of raising the Kundalini without proper training (Kundalini Syndrome). If we are talking about actually sublimating Jing into chi into shen (like in Taoist Yoga), then we have to bring the energy into the brain. Then I am in agreement with drew that the Heavenly pool position is a good recommendation. In Mantak Chias Taoist Secrets of Love He notes that when the sexual energy opens the golden flower at the crown chakra, the secretions of the pineal gland flow downwards in the saliva. The heavenly pool position stimulates the flow of saliva, allowing practitioners to get the most out of this substance. ------------------------------------------------ Does anyone understand the passage in Taoist Yoga that speaks of creating a polarity between the light of vitality in the LDT and the with the light in the Upper dantien? ---------------------------------------- Thanks for your responses everyone. Love and Light Tony

Interesting observation. Does your mco flow backwards when using the golden light? In Taoist Yoga there is no discussion of the mco flowing backwards, however in Yang Jwing Mings work there is reference to the mco flowing backwards along the wind path. In Kap this backwards mco is used extensively to alleviate Kundalini syndrome and cool down the energy. A chinese friend informed me that she had read a chinese text that interpreted "going along in reverse" as reversing the flow of the MCO. As for the yellow dragon, I don't mean to imply that its incorrect, I'm just interested in how it works. Maybe you can help me to understand. Do you have a link to the Golden dragon meditation you mentioned? Love and Light Tony

Here is a quote from Understanding Reality By Chang Po Tuan with Commentary by Liu I Ming, translated by Thomas cleary. This is the First sentence in the Third verse by Po Tuan: This is a quote from Liu I Mings commentary. This seems relevant to this discussion. Love and Light Tony

1. Alleged duality between self as individual form and god as a creator. 2. Alleged trinity between light, god, and Individual asking the question. 3. Add a fourth entity as the voice refers to the light as an object, defining itself as other than the light. 4. The man accepts the defined multiplicity and naturally falls back into the world of form. It appears to me as though disembodied spiritual voices aren't into nonduality. On another note, Drew how do you understand the statement made in Taoist Yoga concerning the golden-purple light of vitality forming a polarity with the white light in the third eye. Concerning the earth element, Liu I ming, in his commentary on Understanding Reality seems to make a distinction between the yellow woman/the go between/the matchmaker/ the earth element and the Golden Elixir/the mysterious pass/ the valley spirit. The yellow woman is apparently considered by him as what brings the dragon and Tiger/ essence and Sense/ mercury and lead together. The golden elixer on the other hand is what happens when the disparate elements of human existence begin to fuse together. Liu I mings work seems to suggest a form of meditation that doesn't rely on the microcosmic orbit. He suggests that the True lead is the yang in the triagram water. The water represents the world of external forms, and the Metal (yang element) in water is the sense/shining mind/ mind of the Tao. The suggestion seems to be that the tao is in the center of everything and we go about our lives looking at what is staring us in the face. The True mercury is the Yin within the triagram fire. The fire represents the human mind which is consciousness or essence with a wandering distracted element within it. This wandering or human mind is the true mercury. The suggestion to form the golden elixer is that the wandering mind must be returned to the shining mind constantly. When proficiency in this skill is acquired the golden elixir is formed. Liu goes on to say that the golden elixer must be reverted and refined. The process of reversion seems to be the process of yin convergence, or stripping away the mundane conditioning. The process of refining seems to be allowing the tao to grow in the practitioners life harmonizing yin and yang or flexibility and firmness. The fully restored elixer according to Liu is the primordial unified energy. As Tao views everything as energy then this might indicate the oneness of all things or nonduality. This is reminiscent of certain zen teachings, like the quote by a teacher that says basically. "Can' you see the Green mountains in front of you. If you say you can see them, then how do you see. If you say that you cant see them then how can you say they are invisible." This seems to indicate that some of those crazy old zen guys had some sense (True Lead) after all. There is also a common saying in zen that "The meaning of zen is not apart from the 5 senses." This seems similar to the Trika in Kashmir shiavism The trika is a trident. Each point of the trident is the Knower, Knowledge, and the object of knowledge. These points appear separate but they are all the same trident. This might indicate that Kashmir shiavism understands the true lead (sense or knowledge) In fact this echoes another of Liu I mings statements that the shining mind contains real knowledge within it. These are just some observations on the work Understanding Reality by Chang Po Tuan with commentary by Liu I ming, translated by Thomas Cleary. Love and Light Tony

I like your website. http://yogicengineering.com/2015/03/10/eleven-primary-energies-of-meditation/ This seems to be the most relevant article. Does anyone make a distinction between yellow and gold light? What about purple and violet? Love and Lgiht Tony

http://thedaobums.com/topic/37743-golden-immortal/page-10 There is lots of good information on here. I assume this must be what you are talking about. Let me know if there is something else. What if the whole experience is a non-dual one? The various forms of external alchemy, internal alchemy, auxiliary practices, and direct practices, are all just ways of organizing the mind on a certain symbolic layer. If one symbolic layer is truly harmonized then all layers just being one whole are harmonized. When true harmony (love?) arises then the elixir is formed. The elixir being an experience of wholeness naturally exists on all levels and transcends all levels. I don't really know anything, but that seems like a plausible explanation for why some people emphasize the microcosmic orbit, while others emphasize awareness. This would indicate that as long as the alchemical symbols were harmonized in the correct way, then it doesn't really matter how people interpret them consciously. This might suggest that there are no lesser or greater paths, but only the path(tao). The Tao can be direct or indirect. From my experience in studying martial arts, direct approaches aren't necessarily better than indirect approaches. Poetic interpretation and scientific explanation are two ways of expressing the same. Working with the body as symbolic representation of the self within the mind or working with the mind directly are two methods of communicating. Awareness and awareness of bodily functions, or even awareness of the strange concoction you are making in your fireplace is all awareness. Yin and yang contain each other, lead into each other, compliment each other, and define each each other. It's all Tai Chi. Love and Light Tony

concerning moving the energy of the genitals into another area: I believe that the best sort of practice for this is basically a variation of the Glenn Morris Inner smile. This technique has been posted on this forum before by Santiago Dobles. The full practice can be found here: http://thedaobums.com/topic/9719-dr-morriss-secret-smile-breathing-basic-kap-1-giri-for-the-tao-bumbs/ Here i will quote the relevant part by Glenn Morris. The primary part that will allow you to move the feeling of orgasm around is the part labeled ecstacy. The first two states simply prepare the body for the energy flow by opening the channels. Once you can feel this orgasmic ecstasy then begin running the microcosmic orbit with this energy. Instead cultivating a sense of power with the orbit (as it is commonly presented), cultivate the sense of loving, orgasmic ecstasy. Breath in loving orgasmic ecstacy, and breath out loving orgasmic ecstasy. Once you can circulate the loving orgasmic ecstasy in the mco begin circulating it through the whole body. I recommend Taoist secrets of love and Healing love through the Tao, as well as Awaken Healing Light of the Tao By Mantak Chia These books contain various other applications of orgasmic energy. They contain techniques for semen/ ovarian retention. It also contains technical discussions of cultivating full bodied orgasms and orgasm at specific points. The Healing Love through the Tao book contains techniques for stimulating the various glands and organs through nipple and chest massage, which could allow people (primarily directed at women, but works for men as well) to direct a orgasmic concentration of energy to a variety of points. The only part people have trouble with typically is the forceful blocking of semen flow through external pressure on the perineum. Ignore that part. It really only comes into play if people haven't learned the real techniques in the book anyways. Here's a link concerning a person who had success with Chias works on this subject. http://thedaobums.com/topic/2568-semen-kung-chi-kung-and-crown-center-orgasms/ This is a relevant quote by xenolith on the subject. I don't necessarily know what everyone means by sublimating, but that sounds pretty sublime to me. Chia also discusses in his book Taoist secrets of love using the scrotum as a diaphragm (along with the perineum and anus) to pump the semen up into the various body cavities, such as the cavities containing the organs, or the hidden valley in the brain. When done without arousal this technique produces a cooling effect, with arousal this technique creates a valley orgasm/ tantric orgasm. Love and Light Tony Edited to fix typos

Strangely enough, the sexual techniques i listed above bring about the same Reflexive Kundalini/ orgasmic rising phenomenon. Once you get the feel of the energy you can simple build the energy in the microcosmic orbit/macrocosmic or any of the chakras to then activate the kundalini/valley orgasm/bliss from that concentration. At this stage you need not produce the seminal fluid or arouse the genitals, or have any sexual thoughts. The same techniques For working with the sexual energy (mantra, guiding the Kundalini with the hands, rocking the hips, anc pumping the perenium, and guiding the energy with intent) also work at this stage as well. I suppose that that was the intended purpose of these techniques anyways, Love and Lgiht Tony

This is of course the viewpoint of Taoist yoga: Alchemy and Immortality. Glenn Morris, and Mantak Chia seem to disagree.

I believe that Liver damage has been reported with this substance but is considered very rare. http://www.buzzle.com/articles/serrapeptase-dangers.html

In my experience this process starts with an awareness of the orgasmic/ kundalini energy. When sexual stimulation is occurring Kundalini energy is being collected in the perineum and general area. This can be felt by anyone. It is the feeling of being sexually stimulated. This energy can also be collected in other areas, such as anus, nipples, or pretty much anywhere you can stimulate that can become sexually aroused. After a sufficient amount of stimulation this energy overloads the circuits/nerves in the genital area causing contractions and forced expulsion of the Kundalini charged electrolyte rich seminal fluid. The key to experiencing a kundalini rising/trantic orgasm/ valley orgasm is to build up enough energy in the genetal area to feel stimulated but not enough to trigger the genital orgasm. Once you have got enough energy to be able to feel, any movement of this energy is going to feel orgasmic. The feeling of orgasm in the genitals is caused by the orgasmic energy flowing outwards. The orgasmic feeling in kundalini is the same energy moving up the spinal nerves and into the brain. So now that we have gathered the energy we need an effective means of directing it. There are several techniques we can use. 1. Direct the energy with the hands. When the orgasmic energy is gathered, lightly brush the hands up the front of the torso, down the legs. up the sides of the torso, or up the back. The idea is like spreading the energy away from the genitals. The physical brushing opens the nerves and allows the energy a path to flow away from the genitals. The intention here should be to pull the energy. Once the concentrated energy in the genitals finds a nerve outlet it will shoot into the nerves like a live-wire. This may also be practiced by using the auric field radiating several inches from the palms and fingers. By sing this the energy may be guided by just moving the hands ovet the desired pathway and feeling the orgasmic energy following the hands energy. As the orgasmic energy is a energy that wants ro move towards something, the hands should have a pulling/ magnetic energy. By using the saura of the hands a person can easily access the channels inside of the spine even when laying down on the back. You can use both the physical brushing and the auric brushing at the same time. 2. Direct the energy with sound. The resonance of certain sounds such as mantras, or any resonating sound can diffuse the concentrated energy into the rest of the body and aura. This is basically the theory behind Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Techniques by Jack Johnson, as well as Mantra Yoga. The sound creates a spreading field of waves which pick up the orgasmic energy and carry it throughout the spread. By using the intent the energy can be directed once it is picked up by the sound. 3. Using the perineum as a pump. By clenching and relaxing the perineum the energy can be "pumped" into the spine. This works best when combined with other techniques. This also has the added benefit of conferring an amount of conscious control over the perineum muscles, and may prevent the spastic activity that causes ejaculation. 4. The orgasmic energy can be guided by intent. This is the basis of techniques like the microcosmic orbit, and the grand circulation, as well as focusing on specific points, such as the third eye. This technique is the most difficult to master but the most direct and rewarding. It is best when combined with the other techniques here, especially at first. 5. Rocking the hips seems to both concentrate the energy in the genitals and open the torso and spinal channels to provide a open circuit for the energy. I use all of these techniques in an given session. At first when learning to direct the energy it may be helpful to stop significantly short of the point of a genital orgasm, but with practice and opening the channels with kundalini energy, you can get much closer before needing to redistribute the energy. The benefit of using these techniques is that you can raise kundalini as long as you can become turned on. It doesn't require extensive periods of sperm retention to accidentally trigger the experience. It does require some willpower to not ejaculate. With these techniques sperm retention is much easier. It may require daily practice of Kundalini rising/ tantric orgasm to achieve. The purpose of sperm retention is to build up the potential to gather and channel this energy, as well as to prevent the waste of vital substances through ejaculation, and refractory periods where the body is investing large quantities of vitality into the process of rebuilding sperm count and prostate fluids. As long as the fluid is reabsorbed into the body there is no vitality loss, there is just vitality redistribution. Love and Lgiht Tony

Up date I took this a second time and had a similar experience to what i described above. However later that day i noticed my teeth felt a little sensitive when i ate hard things. My wife also took the serrapeptase pill twice and described a similar effect with the teeth. I believe the reason for this negative effect comes from us taking digestive enzymes with meals. These enzymes contain 29000 units of protease enzymes. I also take another enzyme supplement that contains a variety of enzymes including some serrapeptase. We are also vegetarians, so our intestines are probable relatively clear, and may be better able to absorb things like this. I have not experienced any negative effects from the small amount of serrapeptase in my other enzyme pills. I have been taking this for over 6 months now with no side effects. I believe that I just loaded up on too much protease at one time. We will discontinue use of the 40,000 units serrapeptase. fyi: I remineralized my teeth by swishing with organic whole milk, a few times and unrefined sea salt a few times. I also took a break digestive enzymes during this period to allow my body to use the excess it had acquired. My teeth are fine now. Love and Light Tony

I just got in my bottle of 40,000 units serrapeptase of the same brand from trunks post today. I took it a few hours ago and began noticing a feeling of increased circulation for after 30 minutes. Then it seemes like my head cleared up, chi started flowing and certain spots on my body loosened up. I could feel it in my digestive track too. Love and light Tony

I wrote an article concerning the Taobums on my website: http://easyphilosophy.com/thedaobums/ Love and Light Tony

Actually sanitation has been the cause of many of the diseases like polio that sprung up around the 1900s. The dumping of waste in the streets gave people plenty of opportunity to build up immunity to a large range of pathogens. After the cleanup movement where sewers were standardized and measures of cleanliness were increased, the immunity to these diseases dropped off and eventually allowed the widespread epidemics to occur. http://www.nextnature.net/2014/01/how-modern-sanitation-gave-us-polio/ Antibacterial soap is more recent example of increased sanitation standards. The use of the antibiotics in antibacterial soap causes bacteria to develop antibiotic resistance to these products on a large scale. Any bacteria that have mutated to resist antibiotics will survive the antibacterial soap and live to re-propagate its species, with its mutated genes. http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm378393.htm

https://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=3146 I am wondering if there is any evidence beyond speculation, that DMT is produced in the pineal gland. The above link to erowid states that this fact is unknown. I have been hearing mass rumors about this phenomenon for years. I have also encountered rumors that sunlight disrupts this process. If anyone has any evidence concerning this I would be grateful for the contribution. I understand that the presence of dmt in the human body is proven to be true. I am asking about its means of production. Love and Light Tony

Excellent article. I noted an important part about the ayahuasca acting as a serotonin agonist, by binding with serotonin receptors, causing the body to create more serotonin receptors. It makes me wonder whether increasing serotonin through foods that contain high tryptophan levels, would cause a similar effect of increasing serotonin receptors. What method do you use to ionize the blood brain barrier? Love and Light Tony

If I understand the literature on this subject correctly, then the common concensus is that Lucid dreaming and Astral projection are different phenomonon. There is a distinction and some overlaping at times. In lucid dreaming or regular dreaming people sometimes note a phenomenon called false awakening. During a false awakening the person may just lay in bed and not notice, or the person may get up walk around thier house and do things. People may not even notice a false awakening or when they wake up into their physical body afterwards, they will believe that it is a dream. People commonly become clued into false awakenings, by realizing that they are floating, or turning over and seeing their physical bodies laying next to them. It is common to initiate this experience when in the sleep paralysis in the dream state. The time when one first wakes up from a dream is the best to take advantage of this state. In sleep paarylysis the person may try to move their physical body and end up moving the astral body due to the sleep paralysis. People in this state report a very real feeling of a astral body. People in this state also report intense vibrations, and sounds occasionally. In addition the astral double of the place where you project at may not be the same as the physical counterpart. These are commonly reported in cases of sleep induced out of body experiences. The Secret of the Soul by William Buhlman contains many accounts of out of body experiences like these. Stephen LaBerge reports using lucid dreaming to initiate this kind of experience in his book Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming. I have also heard reports of people projecting from the different chakras in yogic lore. Maha-Samadhi apparently is a projection from the crown chakra resulting in the death of the physical body, Love and Light Tony

Hey Drew, Thanks for this information. I noticed that your last link was broken. Would you care to elaborate on the seratonin-DMT-Kundalini connection? Thank you. Love and light Tony