Seth Ananda

I wanted to repost this from the trolling thread: I personally think that it is totally ok to challenge the negatives In a persons culture, religion or belief system, as these are all 'add ons' to the person, and can be challenged or changed as they exist in the persons mind. On the other hand, pointing out what you believe are 'negatives' in a persons Race is totally not ok. Ever. It destroys that persons dignity and self esteem, and leaves them marginalised and angry. The reason for this is, It is not something they have any power or choice over. One can not change ones Race, The same goes for {most} Homosexuals. They have no ability to not be Gay. Most have been Gay since they were born. Attacking something that people can not help, and that is totally natural, {found amply in nature} is plain rotten! Like Racism, homophobia needs to be legislated against everywhere, and here at the TTB's.

I should mention that the 'perceived' negatives a bigot may see in a race or sexual orientation are probably in their brainwashed little heads. The other option is that they are mistaking behavioural elements of a subculture within a race or sexual orientation for the actual behavioural characteristics of people, of the race or sexual orientation itself. One needs to be very clear about this. An example is someone who grows up near Ghetto's and decides that African Americans are all pimp ass thugs. Or someone works in a std center that is has a large Gay clientele, and decides that all gay men are std soaked beat hopping perverts. {sorry scotty, I know thats not what you were implying - I hope} But lets continue to be clear. Despite what certain demographics of the Homosexual population may get up to, nothing can be Inferred from that, that apply's to the natural condition of Homosexuality itself.

I personally think that it is totally ok to challenge the negatives In a persons culture, religion or belief system, as these are all 'add ons' to the person, and can be challenged or changed as they exist in the persons mind. On the other hand, pointing out what you believe are 'negatives' in a persons Race is totally not ok. Ever. It destroys that persons dignity and self esteem, and leaves them marginalised and angry. The reason for this is, It is not something they have any power or choice over. One can not change ones Race, The same goes for {most} Homosexuals. They have no ability to not be Gay. Most have been Gay since they were born. Attacking something that people can not help, and that is totally natural, {found amply in nature} is plain rotten! Like Racism, homophobia needs to be legislated against everywhere, and here at the TTB's.

You are to a degree, and WWROA more so, usually with Gaito running around thumbs upping his posts. You worked in an std clinic with a large gay clientele and from there have decided that Gays 'tend towards'... a bunch of undesirable characteristics. which is actively and deliberately painting a set of negative stereotypes about their community. What's more, wtf? You worked in one clinic, that happened to have many gay clients, and drew conclusions from that! Not very scientific my friend. If I worked in one std clinic that was populated heavily by heterosexuals, I would not be deciding that that meant something about all {or many} heterosexuals. The people here are actively contributing to the further oppression of Gay people by painting negative stereotyping pictures of that community. Pasting links to false or slanted anti gay propaganda is deliberately setting out to damage and undermine a community. At the time when people were talking about freeing the slaves, there were also white people sitting back saying things like: "lets talk about this without getting to emotionally fired up, are they really equal? you mean have you seen a slave? they really are very dirty people. I have seen them myself, living in filth, and they can not even read! Its a bit of a risk, say we free them and they really are disgusting slobs and will never be able to learn differently? Hey don't get offended you left wing fascist, I am just having a moderate calm conversation, and bring up intelligent points!" they are closely related. The conservative wishes to conserve how things are/were and is very uncomfortable about change happening too fast. this means that during times of social upheavals like race equality, the conservative is much more likely to give credence to the Ideas of the KKK than a pro change group. Nearly all the conservative sites here in Aus, are either blatantly or subtly anti gay marriage, and anti Aboriginal amendments that give them more rights. It should be against the rules, regardless of what they believe, the same way a website with Information about blacks and Phrenology has no place here. Society legislates to protect its members. Hate mongers, conscious of it or not, need to be silenced. Again. Race! It is no longer cool to post things that damn a racial community. This has to happen on the Gay front as well. Posting things that Damn the Gay community is exactly the same. Slightly Biased information is Hate speech. It Infects the minds of less discerning readers and breeds more homophobes, who then go out and help make some poor persons life a living Hell. Not to mention how welcome it makes them feel when they are here. Not very welcoming. Maybe we should put a sign at the door saying No Blacks, No Gays!

I consider us to be the body of the board, the mods the soul, and sean the spirit The Same for racists, and {some} bullies. Of course a persons history leads them up to being what they are now, and the ways they have of expressing themselves. That doesn't mean that society doesn't try to protect the rest of its people by legislating against certain behaviours. And again, racism is not {usually} tolerated here despite what upbringing the racist may have had. yes, and Like racists they need to be silenced. they are free to think what they wan't in their own heads. Anti racism works across generations. When racism first started to be targeted through public shaming tactics and reprimands, and the racists lost most of their public speaking platforms, it didn't really change their minds. I am fine with that. In the hate speech silence that mostly followed, each new generation was a little freer from Racisms various stupidities. It made being Black safer, and less of something to feel ashamed of. Little black kids now grow up with less discrimination and with more self esteem than the older generations before them. The fact that they no longer get smashed to the same degree by cultural hatred of their colour is of inestimable value to millions of human beings. Now it is time to give Gays the same right to freedom from shame and safety of living circumstances. Like the race Issue, Gays {often} have no choice about who they are. They have been with us from the start, and are part of our History. They are valuable members of and contributors to society. They are not going anywhere, and they are still second class citizens in most parts of the world. Gay suicide is among the highest rates in the world, due to hatred of gays, due to gay stereotyping, and due to dodgy slanted 'science' that paints them in a certain manner. If the TTB's wishes to be part of that, well it is despicable.

Vilifying and targeting a demographic of people with hatred has no place on any forum outside of the westborough baptist church forums. Yes you can. Racism here has received swift mod reactions {at times} in the past. People have the right to be Racist or Homophobic within the sanctity of their own minds, but not to spread that shit on a forum. If someone started referring to blacks as 'niggers' or slave monkeys here, and began posting 'science' sourced from the Klan websites, they would be banned by the mods as fast as they could say "Ni..!" But if its about Gays it seems like its just fine to source all kinds of 'science' from conservative websites, as long at it helps you paint them all as being STD ridden perverts, who are not really Gay, but are merely choosing live that life style. I was brought up in an Intensely Homophobic environment. My family believed that Gay men should be publicly stoned - Literally. Once I had left that toxic environment, I knew I still had many prejudices towards homosexuals, so I endeavoured to meet them and ask them about their actual experiences. I didn't tell them what they were like, from the christian 'science' I had been indoctrinated with, but I said "I have always been told that... about you guys. Is that true?" I think it is fine to ask questions. But it is not fine at all to take a stand on the subject, with ones little list of links and publicly declare that they are un-natural filthy things. Think of Bullying in schools. The schools with the best anti bullying policies, and a Zero Tolerance for bullying stance are the ones that have the least bullying, and are the ones that are the safest to go to. the next time WWROA opens his mouth with anti Gay propoganda, he should be dished 6 months. Zero Tolerance on these Issues. Of course If the board thinks these Issues are not really 'Important' cultural and social issues, and is happy to allow hate speech and ignorance to fester here at the TTB's, then nothing should happen.

The Homophobia on this forum is disgusting. The mods continue to refuse action on curtailing Homophobia, which is wrong. When a thread gets 'out of hand' on Homophobia Issues, the Mods simply send it to the pit, without reprimanding anyone. Can you Imagine how different it would be if it was Racism they were preaching? 6 month suspension! But no, its not racism, its homophobia. That seems to be all well and good on this forum. A Mods thumbs up! Known homophobic hate speech advocates: ETthoughts, WhitewolfrunningonAir and Gaito, continue to spread viscous and slanted anti gay propaganda, unrepromanded. WWROA should be sitting on 3 to 6, for numerous of his postings, unless of course Homophobia is not an important social justice issue our society is facing right now. Ralis continues to bring up this 'non Issue' and is met with ridicule and derision, mostly by the offenders here. TTB's, in allowing injustice to go unchecked, is becoming corrupt in its soul. {the mods are the soul}

Thanks very much for typing all these articles Apech. I am interested in the concept of 'niniyew' if you would care to elaborate further? Also Kheper, which pushes the sun through the sky, also has connotations with the heart center. I would love to know more about that as well. And more about Nun! lol. Blessings

everything I wanted to say about the gay 'Issue' I said in this thread: http://thetaobums.com/topic/25482-taoists-and-homophobia/page-9

Racism and Homophobia have had a regular overlooking here. What about religious prejudice? Some 'bodhisattva's' here continue to slam other religions claiming that it is justified in the spirit of 'truth'... What would be done if someone started preaching that phrenology assessments that 'prove' that the black man is more subservient than the white man were also justified, when done in the spirit of 'science'??

Xienkula1, thanks for this thread by the way. Do you have any recommendations of particularly good books, dvd's or sources for Huna teachings? One book i really like is Charlotte Berney's Fundamentals of Hawaiian Mysticism. I have always heard good things about Family Constellation Therapy, but never practiced it yet. I use aspects of Voice Dialogue, Gestalt's two chair practice, and Ho'oponopono regularly with my clients.

Interesting. Do you have any info on Hews history? The Traditional Hawaiian practice forums call him a fraud, and claim that there was never a psyche ward that he fixed, anywhere that can be found...

I used to think that what we call Huna these days, was much more 'new age' than traditional, but I have changed my mind. I continue to find things from traditional 'Kahuna' teachers that totally support much of Longs and others Huna teachings, particularly Ho'oponopono, Ha breathing, and theory about the 3 selves... Outside of that, I don't really care, because new age or traditional, Huna as It currently presents itself, is a supremely effective system of self healing and transformation. I dont think I have seen anything like it, in terms of pure simplicity and effectiveness. It is just so 'functional'... I am devoting a large chunk of the next few years to Huna practice and study.

Sure Liminal Luke, its very easy. Sit down, relax, and imagine a stage, or a garden or some clear space where you can invite the various people who inhabit your mind, one by one, and forgive them, and ask for their forgiveness. Dialogue, express or say anything that feels like it needs to come out. Keep at it till the forgiveness feels real and genuine, then bless them with love and move on to the next person. Bit by bit you will reclaim your self from the worlds projections and a great freedom will begin to arise...

I love Ho'oponopono and use it regularly, but there is more to it than Vitale describes, and the story about Len fixing a psych ward is a hoax. No such ward exists, anywhere in Hawaii, that anyone has been able to find. Ho'oponopono is an amazing complex self healing system. here is what I can come up with off the top of my head. Ho'oponopono is based on healing the relationship between the Unihipili and the Uhane, or basic self and middle self. Unihipili is child like in nature, It runs our body, stores our feelings and memories and beliefs, is hurt by insults or negative self talk, and is creative and very symbolic. {its much like the right brain to me} Anyone who influences us becomes 'alive' within our Unihipili. That is part psychological, and part energetic, as we form 'aka' links to the people we are tied to. Either way, we have the voices of our mothers and fathers, teachers, peers, abusers or victims, all there, living within our mind - rent free - and adding their two cents worth to all our mental processing of current experience. All these voices cause the body stress, and consume our personal energy, and deeply affect our personal outlook and view of the world. Uhane is the 'middle' self, or human spirit, and its functions are Reason, logic. distinction and intuition. Its job is to navigate the world, and to protect the unihipili, by being careful what it believes, but untill it becomes very powerful and refined, the negatives of others and self will slip through into the unihipili bringing wounds and hurt feelings. Aumakua is the Higher self, or deep cosmic intelligence we all have hiding within. it also refers to gods/godesses, and certain nature spirits or spirits of place. Ho'oponopono: Opono means to 'make right' and oponopono then means to 'make really really right' So Uhane sits down and creates a space for dialogue with the various selves that are alive within the Unihipili. One calls in any person one has charge with. One may apologise and ask forgiveness for any known or unknown actions. One also offers forgiveness to them for any of their actions. {forgiveness is an act of self love and has nothing to do with whether they are worthy of it or not - once forgiven, your mind is free of them} Any thing that helps you forgive you, them or the situation is fair game. Forgiving yourself for creating the situation is good as well. Im sorry and I love you. If they are troublesome, one may call on their Aumakua, which is defiantly sorry for past actions and will apologise regardless of whether their Uhane wishes to or not, and may give you great insight into what is going on for them leading to compassion, and after that one may cut aka ties with them and release them from ones mind. Then there is external actions. Once your bodymind is clear you may need to make physical amends with the person. The tv series 'My Name is Earl' springs to mind as a great example of this in action... lol. Ho'oponopono is notorious for 'affecting' the person simultaneously in a positive direction, as their Unihipili which is very sensitive to subtle energies, feels the pressure release caused by your changed perception of them... Be well everyone.

Sure. I am all for cultivating relative compassion. I was speaking to the thought that some seem to have, that only the Absolute level is worth any time... For those people, alleviating some life problems can free up more time

Nice. Any work towards alleviating relative suffering is a good thing. People suffering less can spend more time on the big issues.

Thanks for this. Nice to see some personal elements in there. I would like to add that I agree that ultimate Bodhichitta or compassion comes from seeing the world as it is, but i want to add that seeing the world as it is, includes seeing people and oneself, as they are. Empty and dependently Originating, emeshed causality textures. What the experience of this blatantly shows, is that people have no choice whatsoever about what they 'are' in a given moment. If you or I had had all their experiences, with their genetic background, surrounded by all their lifes circumstances instead of having had our own, then we would be doing exactly what they are doing. Seeing this gives a taste of real compassion. Any defensiveness instantly vanishes. My normal irritation at what I consider 'stupidity' is suddenly gone. If they argue, they certainly would not get called 'spoillers' or anything else, as I am clearly seeing the emptiness of self, right there in front of me. Of course they will do exactly what their make up demands, and so does everyone else. I am not going to feel bad about any of their reactions, or try to punish them for it. But i am going to feel compassion, for they really are {or think they are} stuck within an illusion, held together by believing lies and false assumptions. And this is where Skilful Means comes in. Knowing that who they think they are is just the result of a series of interdependent elements and circumstances, its not really possible to get into an argument. - at least an argument that has that sticky defensive energy. I have only been in that state a few times, but one thing I can say about it is that my communication was sublime. I could see how that person 'fit together' which allowed me to ask them questions, listen, and then at crucial moments speak, prompting an awareness of their condition, or helping them to see a Lie that had previously bound them. I was able to say the exact right thing in those moments. That reflection then becomes part of the gamut of dependently tied events that make up their relative existence, but it will stand out to them, and at points will raise its head and ask bigger questions. People have said a year or two later, that they cherish that conversation, that it feels really clear or 'vivid' in their mind, and that they still think about it regularly, or get annoyed by it sometimes... lol. Its all minor transformations or 'experiences' within the relative, but it leads 'people' within the relative to seek something more. Enjoy. Seth

I like the Idea that he is a government plant. In this conspiracy theory, he tells some truth, like 911 stuff, and then adds in the craziest stuff anyone has ever heard, and thus by association totally discredits all the good information. from now on, any possible gov conspiracy will be shelved with david Icke's reptillians and moon fear, and thus will never be seriously discussed...

It is, it really really is

If your only here to take a crap on magical traditions Alwayson, please leave. This forum is for magical practitioners and people who are actually interested in magick, to discuss away from the general forum where every nay sayer is free to heap their crap all over the topic. The Buddhist forum is next door.

I would like to +1 thetaoiseasy's advice here, except possisbly on the not trying to purge it front. There may be a place or time, depending on you, to attempt to exorcise yourself. I would also like to add a few personal perspectives. When dealing with a possessing entity, one has several options. 1. See an exorcist. 2. exorcize oneself. 3. Surrender to a higher power or make a higher level friend. Making friends with, or connecting with a higher power is really good advice, and i particularly like Sun Adoration for this, especially for people who may struggle with really feeling a 'less physical' Divine being. Also many old cultures considered our personal energy to be a unique expression of the Suns energy, and so Sun adorations were considered a way to Increase the quality and strength of our own unique energy and existence... In Egypt there were four Sun Adorations a day. Sunrise, mid day, sunset, and midnight. Exorcizing oneself can be done but it takes some effort. If you have the 'energy' to be able to expel it, do so. No one has to put up with a parasitic being draining them. But if you don't feel strong enough, just forget about it as an entity and focus for now on Increasing your positive energy, and communing with high and refined energies... But Self exorcizing can be very rewarding, and will often really increase your faith in you ability to navigate and negotiate the perils of the 'other' realms. Start by cultivating a deep visceral gut sense of 'YOU HAVE NO RIGHT!' to be in my space. Everything else builds off that. If you find that you just don't believe this, make a list of why. Do you believe you are a doormat? Do you feel you deserve mistreatment...? Figure out what is going on and face that shit. When 'YOU HAVE NO RIGHT!' starts to become the felt reality towards an invading force it is probably minutes away from being expelled. From there, you have several options. Banishing Rituals help designate an 'area' as yours and make anything else unwelcome. Banish yourself. Shaman use drumming and loud noises to chase entities out of the space. {I am very fond of this one personally} Fast for a bit, or at least drop meats, grains, salt and sugar for at least a week. Burn incences, smudge, anoint yourself with Florida Water... Take up shaking practices.. Spend time in Nature, sitting and breathing between the Heavens and the Earth. this to me encapsulates the pure Nobility of Life. And connect with a higher power. { which I would do simultaneously no matter what step I was using. } I would probably make a process using many of these elements. The other harder option is to help the being move on to somewhere else. This takes having the ability to converse with it, but the easier side of this is you can still pray for assistance for the being itself. Even after you have expelled it. Blessings on your Journey.

My 3 favourite C.M. books in order would be: Between Spaces, by Templum Nigri Solis here is Aus. {its really really good from a very ballsy and unique order} Liber Null & Psychonaught by P. Carol. Hands on Chaos Magick bi A. Vitimus. but Hines books are great and Frater U.D's as well. edit: Also Ramsey Dukes books are superb although they lean much more towards C.M. philosophy and highly entertaining magical ramblings....

As well as for sure. Retention lets me enjoy a Sexual existence while maintaining the same degree or more {if i'm on the ball with my practice} of energy that I would normally get from celibacy. But it has to be done right to not be kidding oneself. Most retention instructions are seriously flawed, if one is wanting the 'same as celibacy' benefits.

Many would call that the lower astral, rather than saying that it is the entire astral. But yes there is an Initial layer that seems to house a lot of the nastier or confused or dodgy entities... The many people having an OBE who suddenly feel hostile or sticky forces around them are stepping straight into here. I totally agree about Vibration raising practices being important. I personally found the rising on the planes exersises quite useful, as well as having some kind of banishing process down pat... S.M. Dream yoga sounds Interesting... can you tell us anything about it?